NCAA College Football 2010

[Donoghus]

My top 5 would look like this right now.

1.  Oregon
2.  TCU
3.  Auburn
4.  Boise State
5.  Wisconsin

If I'm putting a non-BCS team in the top two, its TCU.  They've done a lot to impress me while Boise State has been continually beating up on a joke of a schedule.  TCU jumps Auburn because of a very impressive win yesterday against a Top 5 (or 6 depending on the rankings) team.

I think Auburn stumbles in the Iron Bowl and we'll see an Oregon-TCU National Title Game. 

But this is the thing. BSU beat both Oregon (two years in a row) and TCU last year and then returned virtually all their starters.  I guess that's partly why I put them in the top 2

That happened in the past.  Its not relevant to me. 

It's about the current season.  2010.

Agreed but if BSU returned all their starters from teams that they beat, how did those teams surpass them? Magic?  I'm not trying to be obtuse, but obviously last year does count or else teams wouldn't start the season ranked where they are.  Bama was ranked where they were to start the season because of last season. So was Florida.  They got the undeserved benefit of the doubt, so I'd think BSU would get the well deserved benefit.

Scheduling.  I'm sorry but Boise State's schedule is a joke.  Their conference is a joke.  You talk about a weak SEC but you're not acknowledging that the WAC is pretty weak, itself.  IMO, much more so than the SEC. 

Boise State is a great team but I'm more impressed by what Oregon, TCU, and Auburn have done so far.

And didn't Boise State start the season in the Top 5, anyways?  They weren't exactly being slighte the media as you try to point out.

[Eja117]

My top 5 would look like this right now.

1.  Oregon
2.  TCU
3.  Auburn
4.  Boise State
5.  Wisconsin

If I'm putting a non-BCS team in the top two, its TCU.  They've done a lot to impress me while Boise State has been continually beating up on a joke of a schedule.  TCU jumps Auburn because of a very impressive win yesterday against a Top 5 (or 6 depending on the rankings) team.

I think Auburn stumbles in the Iron Bowl and we'll see an Oregon-TCU National Title Game. 

But this is the thing. BSU beat both Oregon (two years in a row) and TCU last year and then returned virtually all their starters.  I guess that's partly why I put them in the top 2

That happened in the past.  Its not relevant to me. 

It's about the current season.  2010.

Agreed but if BSU returned all their starters from teams that they beat, how did those teams surpass them? Magic?  I'm not trying to be obtuse, but obviously last year does count or else teams wouldn't start the season ranked where they are.  Bama was ranked where they were to start the season because of last season. So was Florida.  They got the undeserved benefit of the doubt, so I'd think BSU would get the well deserved benefit.

Scheduling.  I'm sorry but Boise State's schedule is a joke.  Their conference is a joke.  You talk about a weak SEC but you're not acknowledging that the WAC is pretty weak, itself.  IMO, much more so than the SEC. 

Boise State is a great team but I'm more impressed by what Oregon, TCU, and Auburn have done so far.

And didn't Boise State start the season in the Top 5, anyways?  They weren't exactly being slighte the media as you try to point out.

I see what you mean, but having everyone jump them slights them.  The WAC isn't the strongest conference but they aren't horrid either. Last year they had about 6 bowl teams or so. And they beat these teams by 50 points. I'd like to see Auburn play Oregon St, Nevada, and Virginia Tech. And I'd like to see Oregon play something other than a weak PAC ten field. I mean USC isn't ranked, right? UCLA? Washington? Even Arizona and Ariz St isn't that great. Stanford isn't bad. Cal has a weak year.  They beat Tennesse I think. That's pretty weak.

It's not that these conferences are strong or weak. It's that there is parity now and BSU tries like heck to get at least 2 quality games outside their conference every year, whereas the SEC schedules Sun Belt teams and D 1AA and then accuses BSU of a weak schedule.

I think this probably goes away when they have a playoff, which I think they will due to money

[Bahku]

Boise State has been just amazing in this first quarter ... 28/zip in less than 12 minutes! Wow!

[Bahku]

Ninth game of the season and only 19 punts for Boise State!

[Bahku]

38 to nothing, Boise State over Idaho at the half ... and BS could have played better!

[Bahku]

Two plays into the second half and Boise has another touchdown ...  amazing.

[Fafnir]

They're playing Idaho, who cares.

[Atzar]

I see what you mean, but having everyone jump them slights them.  The WAC isn't the strongest conference but they aren't horrid either. Last year they had about 6 bowl teams or so. And they beat these teams by 50 points. I'd like to see Auburn play Oregon St, Nevada, and Virginia Tech. And I'd like to see Oregon play something other than a weak PAC ten field. I mean USC isn't ranked, right? UCLA? Washington? Even Arizona and Ariz St isn't that great. Stanford isn't bad. Cal has a weak year.  They beat Tennesse I think. That's pretty weak.

It's not that these conferences are strong or weak. It's that there is parity now and BSU tries like heck to get at least 2 quality games outside their conference every year, whereas the SEC schedules Sun Belt teams and D 1AA and then accuses BSU of a weak schedule.

I think this probably goes away when they have a playoff, which I think they will due to money

Having everyone jump them isn't a slight.  If two teams are nearly equal in the rankings, one team beats up on a nobody while the other is demolishing a ranked team, which team should get the nod?  

And yeah, Auburn has such a weak schedule.  They'd be challenged so much more if they dropped LSU, Alabama and Arkansas and instead played Virginia Tech, Oregon State and Nevada.  Really?  You're using Nevada as an example of a strong team?  Come on.

Look, if you think Boise State isn't getting a fair shot, then that's cool.  I don't agree, but at least I understand.  But you're saying "I'd like to see Auburn play Oregon State, Nevada and Virginia Tech" as if these teams are superior to the competition the ranked teams already play.  For every Chattanooga Auburn plays, they play South Carolina.  For every Arkansas State, there's LSU.  After Louisiana-Monroe, there's Arkansas.  They also have Alabama and the SEC East champion on their schedule.  All five of these teams are/were ranked.  

The point is that you're treating it as if Auburn doesn't play anybody, and that argument holds no water - you can't point to a couple weak games as an indication of the strength of the rest of the schedule.  It's just irrational.

[Donoghus]

A few interesting games today.

South Carolina v. Florida-  Possibly the biggest game in South Carolina football history.  Winner takes the SEC East. 

Georgia v. Auburn- Upset alert possibly?  Will all the off the field stuff this week get to Auburn?  If Auburn slips up, one of the non-BCS teams slides into the Top 2. 

Utah v. Notre Dame-  Watching the continued struggles of the Irish is always fun. 

[Cman]

A few interesting games today.

South Carolina v. Florida-  Possibly the biggest game in South Carolina football history.  Winner takes the SEC East. 

Georgia v. Auburn- Upset alert possibly?  Will all the off the field stuff this week get to Auburn?  If Auburn slips up, one of the non-BCS teams slides into the Top 2. 

Utah v. Notre Dame-  Watching the continued struggles of the Irish is always fun. 

Oregon v Cal was interesting --
Oregon will likely drop in the rankings because, even though a W, it was a very close call for them. 
(and very typical of Pac-10 teams to beat each other up and hurt each other in nat'l rankings! )

[Eja117]

I pretty much guarantee this Cam Newton thing will be resolved just in time to keep BSU and TCU out of the championship picture.  And if it were Andy Dalton or Kellen Moore in the same situation they'd bring in everyone including Santa to investigate them.

[Eja117]

I see what you mean, but having everyone jump them slights them.  The WAC isn't the strongest conference but they aren't horrid either. Last year they had about 6 bowl teams or so. And they beat these teams by 50 points. I'd like to see Auburn play Oregon St, Nevada, and Virginia Tech. And I'd like to see Oregon play something other than a weak PAC ten field. I mean USC isn't ranked, right? UCLA? Washington? Even Arizona and Ariz St isn't that great. Stanford isn't bad. Cal has a weak year.  They beat Tennesse I think. That's pretty weak.

It's not that these conferences are strong or weak. It's that there is parity now and BSU tries like heck to get at least 2 quality games outside their conference every year, whereas the SEC schedules Sun Belt teams and D 1AA and then accuses BSU of a weak schedule.

I think this probably goes away when they have a playoff, which I think they will due to money

Having everyone jump them isn't a slight.  If two teams are nearly equal in the rankings, one team beats up on a nobody while the other is demolishing a ranked team, which team should get the nod?  

And yeah, Auburn has such a weak schedule.  They'd be challenged so much more if they dropped LSU, Alabama and Arkansas and instead played Virginia Tech, Oregon State and Nevada.  Really?  You're using Nevada as an example of a strong team?  Come on.

Look, if you think Boise State isn't getting a fair shot, then that's cool.  I don't agree, but at least I understand.  But you're saying "I'd like to see Auburn play Oregon State, Nevada and Virginia Tech" as if these teams are superior to the competition the ranked teams already play.  For every Chattanooga Auburn plays, they play South Carolina.  For every Arkansas State, there's LSU.  After Louisiana-Monroe, there's Arkansas.  They also have Alabama and the SEC East champion on their schedule.  All five of these teams are/were ranked.  

The point is that you're treating it as if Auburn doesn't play anybody, and that argument holds no water - you can't point to a couple weak games as an indication of the strength of the rest of the schedule.  It's just irrational.

All these SEC teams you mention have demonstrated they aren't consistent and were all over rated. LSU? They barely beat UNCs junior varsity and Tennessee.  Arkansas? Whoop de doo. If they were in any other conference they'd be unranked. South Carolina might be finally finally getting good now that Marcus Latimore is growing up.  Although BSU has been good for years now.  Plus Auburn is doing this with a cheater at QB. The kid doesn't just play for pay. He also throws stolen lap tops out of windows. It's just another year of college "football"

[Atzar]

Having everyone jump them isn't a slight.  If two teams are nearly equal in the rankings, one team beats up on a nobody while the other is demolishing a ranked team, which team should get the nod?  

And yeah, Auburn has such a weak schedule.  They'd be challenged so much more if they dropped LSU, Alabama and Arkansas and instead played Virginia Tech, Oregon State and Nevada.  Really?  You're using Nevada as an example of a strong team?  Come on.

Look, if you think Boise State isn't getting a fair shot, then that's cool.  I don't agree, but at least I understand.  But you're saying "I'd like to see Auburn play Oregon State, Nevada and Virginia Tech" as if these teams are superior to the competition the ranked teams already play.  For every Chattanooga Auburn plays, they play South Carolina.  For every Arkansas State, there's LSU.  After Louisiana-Monroe, there's Arkansas.  They also have Alabama and the SEC East champion on their schedule.  All five of these teams are/were ranked.  

The point is that you're treating it as if Auburn doesn't play anybody, and that argument holds no water - you can't point to a couple weak games as an indication of the strength of the rest of the schedule.  It's just irrational.

All these SEC teams you mention have demonstrated they aren't consistent and were all over rated. LSU? They barely beat UNCs junior varsity and Tennessee.  Arkansas? Whoop de doo. If they were in any other conference they'd be unranked. South Carolina might be finally finally getting good now that Marcus Latimore is growing up.  Although BSU has been good for years now.  Plus Auburn is doing this with a cheater at QB. The kid doesn't just play for pay. He also throws stolen lap tops out of windows. It's just another year of college "football"

LSU?  They have no offense, so they don't win style points by blowing people out.  But they also have an amazing defense that can keep them in the game against anybody.

Arkansas has one of the best quarterbacks in college football.  If they were in any other conference they'd be unranked?  Come on.  They're 8-2, and their only losses have come to Alamaba and Auburn.  Bama was ranked #1 when they played, Auburn was ranked #7 and is ranked #2 now. 

Cam Newton is the best player in college football this year, regardless of whether he asked for money during the recruitment process.  It's a shame that this season will be tainted by the stupid actions by him and his father, because it really doesn't have a thing to do with what he's doing every Saturday.

Let's talk talent for a moment.  If the non-BCS conferences are so clearly superior to their BCS counterparts, then why isn't the NFL loaded with players from schools like TCU and Boise State?  Instead, I see schools like Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, etc.  There has to be a reason for that.

[Eja117]

Yeah, it's called overranking. Wow. That guy is from USC and can run fast!

If these schools are so much better why don't they beat them when they play them?

And yes, it has a lot to do with what he does every Saturday.  If an ineligible player can get paid to play why not just bring in Mike Vick? He'll be a free agent this offseason too.

[Atzar]

Yeah, it's called overranking. Wow. That guy is from USC and can run fast!

If these schools are so much better why don't they beat them when they play them?

And yes, it has a lot to do with what he does every Saturday.  If an ineligible player can get paid to play why not just bring in Mike Vick? He'll be a free agent this offseason too.

Um, what? 

If you can play, you get a shot at the NFL.  Even if the guys at BCS colleges are 'overranked' as you say, non-conference players would get a chance to show up and outplay them at the NFL combines and training camps - the draft isn't the only way into the NFL.  That still doesn't happen all that often.  It's not because of ranking.  It's because BCS players are usually better. 

Aside from a few cherry-picked examples, you haven't even proven that the non-BCS teams perform so much better in head-to-head matchups.  You might point out Utah vs. Alabama or Boise State vs. Oklahoma, but I could counter with Georgia vs. Hawaii and the fact that Nevada has lost their last four bowl games to mediocre teams.  They're one of those teams you think SEC teams should have to play, right?

And the problem with Cam Newton isn't that he was ineligible to play this year - it's that he and his dad apparently tried to get Mississippi State to pay for his services.  That was a dumb decision that has nothing to do with how good he is on the football field.  Your Michael Vick comparison is completely unrelated.