Report: Jermaine O'Neal agrees to sign with the Celts (update on page 11)

[Brendan]

He's a much better inside player than Perk... the question is can he play disciplined enough to stay inside, rebound and get put backs or dump offs and avoid shooting long 2 pters.

He's still better than Perk passing up short J's as a fifth option. He could easily have the best TS% in the league next year.

[j804]

I prefer it to Shaq but I can't say I feel good about it.

Why not get both Shaq and Jermaine!

We can have the O'Neal Brothers!

what fun!

Jermaine O'Neal fouls Ron Artest hard
and Shaq fouls Kobe hard
with Rasheed jeering officials from the bleachers!

lol

TP this made me smile.

I will definitely miss Sheed (moreso just that he's gone now)

[nickagneta]

If we give O'Neal anything more than the vet minimum, it will be a waste. O'Neal is barely serviceable.  I'd rather offer the whole MLE to Reddick, Morrow, or Mike Miller than give any portion of it to O'Neal. Vet min, fine, any of the MLE, no way.

I think we should deal Wallace's contract and Davis to Golden State for Bierdrins. Then sign Reddick or Morrow to an offer sheet using the MLE. If either team matches, then offer the MLE to Mike Miller.

I know stats aren't everything but considering what it sounds like they're paying for him he's still pretty darn serviceable.

Last season:

JO 70 Games
KG 69 Games

JO 28.4 MPG
KG 29.9 MPG

JO .529 FG%
KG .521 FG%

JO 6.9 RPG
KG 7.3 RPG

JO 13.6 PPG
KG 14.3 PPG

JO 1.4 BPG
KG 0.8 BPG

I know he looked like total poop against us, but he's still very capable of filling a role that the Celts need filled.

TP4U Redz. I was going to make the same comparison but you saved me the time. That's not to say that KG and JO are comparable players, it's just to point out that what he gives you on a night in and night out basis is pretty darn good.

[wasi]

If we give O'Neal anything more than the vet minimum, it will be a waste. O'Neal is barely serviceable.  I'd rather offer the whole MLE to Reddick, Morrow, or Mike Miller than give any portion of it to O'Neal. Vet min, fine, any of the MLE, no way.

I think we should deal Wallace's contract and Davis to Golden State for Bierdrins. Then sign Reddick or Morrow to an offer sheet using the MLE. If either team matches, then offer the MLE to Mike Miller.

Barely serviceable? He averaged 14 points 7 boards and 1.4 blocks per game last season. In less than 30 mins a game, seems as though he's still got it to me.

He choked in the playoffs and I agree with that but I think the Heat just didn't know how to motivate him. He's just not gonna perform well on a team that wants him to be the 2nd scorer cause it's too much pressure. I think Doc will have him playing great even in pressure situations cause he understands that you have to handle different personalities differently. Honestly I don't care if he scores because his defense and rebounding is plenty good enough for me.

Apparently I type too slowly cause others beat me to it but I already typed it up so I'm posting it haha.

[Jon]

If we give O'Neal anything more than the vet minimum, it will be a waste. O'Neal is barely serviceable.  I'd rather offer the whole MLE to Reddick, Morrow, or Mike Miller than give any portion of it to O'Neal. Vet min, fine, any of the MLE, no way.

I think we should deal Wallace's contract and Davis to Golden State for Bierdrins. Then sign Reddick or Morrow to an offer sheet using the MLE. If either team matches, then offer the MLE to Mike Miller.

While I see the argument about giving Reddick or Miller the whole MLE (though certainly not Morrow), I wonder if Danny knows that neither is going to settle for it.  Miller already was apparently offered the full MLE from the Lakers, which means he probably isn't eager to come here. 

And when it comes down to it, while both would be great for us, it's hardly a great place for either of them.  They'd both be relegated to the bench and have their minutes cut.

And while I'd love to see a 2/3 scorer to take the pressure off of Ray and Paul, O'Neal still gives us more scoring punch, which makes it more likely we can get by without a scoring wing. 

[Prof. Clutch]

The only way I won't like this is if Brandon Haywood signs elsewhere for the MLE and we could have had him instead.  If Haywood gets more than the MLE I'll be satisfied with this as one of the better alternatives.

Maybe Kurt Thomas could be had for the vet min to shore up our depth?

[Jon]

The only way I won't like this is if Brandon Haywood signs elsewhere for the MLE and we could have had him instead.  If Haywood gets more than the MLE I'll be satisfied with this as one of the better alternatives.

Maybe Kurt Thomas could be had for the vet min to shore up our depth?

While I tend to agree, the only thing I could counter with (in a somewhat Devil's Advocate sort of way) is that O'Neal's ability to score might could make up for the C's not getting a scoring wing like Mike Miller.  Sure we might get stuck with TA (who can't shoot) and an Anthony Morrow type (who can only shoot), but if you put those two on the court with O'Neal, BBD, and Bradley/Robinson, there's enough scoring power for the C's to feel comfortable resting PP and Ray.

And I'm not sure that's the case with Haywood. 

[Who]

The only way I won't like this is if Brandon Haywood signs elsewhere for the MLE and we could have had him instead.  If Haywood gets more than the MLE I'll be satisfied with this as one of the better alternatives.

Maybe Kurt Thomas could be had for the vet min to shore up our depth?

While I tend to agree, the only thing I could counter with (in a somewhat Devil's Advocate sort of way) is that O'Neal's ability to score might could make up for the C's not getting a scoring wing like Mike Miller.  Sure we might get stuck with TA (who can't shoot) and an Anthony Morrow type (who can only shoot), but if you put those two on the court with O'Neal, BBD, and Bradley/Robinson, there's enough scoring power for the C's to feel comfortable resting PP and Ray.

And I'm not sure that's the case with Haywood. 

This is what terrifies me about Jermaine O'Neal. Being asked to score and/or forcing one-on-one basketball like Glen Davis was last year.

That is going to hurt the Celtics.

[Who]

I am expecting Jermaine to be a net negative for the Celtics.

I think he makes Boston a worse team. Not enthusiastic at all about him coming to Boston.

[guava_wrench]

The only way I won't like this is if Brandon Haywood signs elsewhere for the MLE and we could have had him instead.  If Haywood gets more than the MLE I'll be satisfied with this as one of the better alternatives.

Maybe Kurt Thomas could be had for the vet min to shore up our depth?

What if Haywood is getting a starting job in his destination? How can we compete with that?

[bopna]

I am expecting Jermaine to be a net negative for the Celtics.

I think he makes Boston a worse team. Not enthusiastic at all about him coming to Boston.

A net negative is exactly was Rasheed was for us in the regular season last yr. Come the playoffs though everybody loved Sheed for what he gave us, he gave his all. JO was actually better than Sheed in all aspects in the regular season, then the pressures of the Playoffs got him plus remember it was Perk who shut him down, It ain't happening this time if he was playing alongside Perk.

Lets not bash JO too much, he is afterall younger than all of our Big three and I still see him score around 12 points for us as there was so much shots that Perk passed up on last yr that a guy like JO would not pass on...he is a very decent around the rim up to 15 ft and won't be jacking up three's the way Wallace did last season...Give him a chance to play as a fourth and fifth option and believe me he will prosper better than what happened to him in Miami. Jermaine, IMO was exactly what we need in the playoffs as abackup to KG/Perk last yr against teams like the Fakers.

[snively]

The only way I won't like this is if Brandon Haywood signs elsewhere for the MLE and we could have had him instead.  If Haywood gets more than the MLE I'll be satisfied with this as one of the better alternatives.

Maybe Kurt Thomas could be had for the vet min to shore up our depth?

While I tend to agree, the only thing I could counter with (in a somewhat Devil's Advocate sort of way) is that O'Neal's ability to score might could make up for the C's not getting a scoring wing like Mike Miller.  Sure we might get stuck with TA (who can't shoot) and an Anthony Morrow type (who can only shoot), but if you put those two on the court with O'Neal, BBD, and Bradley/Robinson, there's enough scoring power for the C's to feel comfortable resting PP and Ray.

And I'm not sure that's the case with Haywood. 

This is what terrifies me about Jermaine O'Neal. Being asked to score and/or forcing one-on-one basketball like Glen Davis was last year.

That is going to hurt the Celtics.

Is it going to hurt the Celtics anymore than relying on Baby/Sheed for offense last year?  As inefficient as JO is on offense, his numbers last year were much better than Baby & Sheed, as he enjoyed notable leads on them in TS%, eFG%, assist % and points per minute (while also outstripping them in rebound rate and block %).

[tja92]

to bad this didnt happen last year we could have used him in game 7

[BostonArizona]

To me, its pretty simple.

JO = Slight improvement over Sheed

And that's about it.

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

Bring me both Jermaine AND Shaq!

(We'd have 2 O'Neal's and 2 Allen's )