Report: Jermaine O'Neal agrees to sign with the Celts (update on page 11)

[Mike-Dub]

All you JO haters out there who would you rather have? Shaq, Brad Miller?

Be realistic with what we have to work with. J. O'Neal is a great addition for some of the MLE.

Yes I would rather have Shaq or Brad Miller.  I'm hoping for Brendan Haywood, but the guy is going to get more over the MLE and be to expensive for us.

[Jon]

Well there's some rumors out there that JO is getting all the MLE.  And while my gut reaction is why?  You also have to ask yourself: if Danny thought he could do better with the MLE, would he be doing this? 

[Mike-Dub]

Well there's some rumors out there that JO is getting all the MLE.  And while my gut reaction is why?  You also have to ask yourself: if Danny thought he could do better with the MLE, would he be doing this? 

JO isn't going to come here for the full MLE.  Danny is to smart to make a decision like that.  He knows if we can't get someone that actually would be worth the full MLE he's not going to overpay someone with it and split it with multiple players so we can fill more than one of our needs. 

[FrDrake]

Well there's some rumors out there that JO is getting all the MLE.  And while my gut reaction is why?  You also have to ask yourself: if Danny thought he could do better with the MLE, would he be doing this? 

I think because teams like the Nets, Clippers, Minny, and even to a certain extent Chicago and NY will have left over cap space to over spend on guys like Travis Outlaw Mike Miller and JJ Reddick.  

There should be some bargains later in the summer, but I agree with most posters...JO is probably the best option from a pretty mediocre selection of FA centers.

[Fan from VT]

When you sign and trade you can't include another contract. 

Um, yes you can.

No you can't it's in the cba.. Teams sign and trade because they don't have enough cap room to sign the player so why would the bring on extra cap room from another player? All you can send is a draft pick

This is mistaken.  For an example of a team including another salary in a sign-and-trade, think of the Jason Kidd deal to Dallas, when Keith Van Horn was signed-and-traded.  I also believe the Lakers did a partial sign-and-trade in the Gasol deal.

According to NBA archive, Van horn signed a 3 year deal but with just 1 year guaranteed. he was then traded with other players to NJ for Kidd and others.

So IF it's true LEbron wants to go to Miami, it looks like a good deal for both sides would be Beasley and Jermaine (12 mill/3 yrs or so...just must be 3 yrs long and less than 5 mill per year) for Gaffney, Sheed, Lafayette. Then let Sheed retire, so they get beasley off the books and have enough to offer Lebron the max he deserves.

Get on it Ainge!

[timepiece33]

Or they could simply give Beasley for Bosh WITHOUT helping their primary competitor for the Eastern Conference. 

[FrDrake]

Now you're talking!  Beasley may be a young fool, but he's the type of guy who could take a lot of pressure of Pierce and Ray during the regular season with his scoring. 

[Birdbrain]

All you JO haters out there who would you rather have? Shaq, Brad Miller?

Be realistic with what we have to work with. J. O'Neal is a great addition for some of the MLE.

Some people would complain if they got LJ for MLE so you have to understand that.

They guy averaged 14/7 last year.  If we even get that out of him he's an upgrade over our starter from last year.  I'll be quite happy if DA can get him in here.

Brad Miller better than Jermaine Oneal.. hmm

[Roy Hobbs]

For those who like Miller over J.O., is it simply a durability thing?  O'Neal scores more, grabs more rebounds, blocks more shots, gets more assists, and shoots a higher percentage.

[Mike-Dub]

All you JO haters out there who would you rather have? Shaq, Brad Miller?

Be realistic with what we have to work with. J. O'Neal is a great addition for some of the MLE.

Some people would complain if they got LJ for MLE so you have to understand that.

They guy averaged 14/7 last year.  If we even get that out of him he's an upgrade over our starter from last year.  I'll be quite happy if DA can get him in here.

Offensively he'd be an upgrade if we get 14 and 7 out of him.  He is definitely not an upgrade on the defensive end though and rebounding.

Along with that he wouldn't be averaging 14 points on our squad because he would be the fifth option.

[Rondo2287]

For those who like Miller over J.O., is it simply a durability thing?  O'Neal scores more, grabs more rebounds, blocks more shots, gets more assists, and shoots a higher percentage.

Like any of those statistical categories are significant, comon Roy.

[jdpapa3]

For those who like Miller over J.O., is it simply a durability thing?  O'Neal scores more, grabs more rebounds, blocks more shots, gets more assists, and shoots a higher percentage.

The advantage I am most fond of is O'Neal's interior defense. I feel like Miller is fairly easy to shoot over, but O'Neals length is a defensive asset.

[Roy Hobbs]

All you JO haters out there who would you rather have? Shaq, Brad Miller?

Be realistic with what we have to work with. J. O'Neal is a great addition for some of the MLE.

Some people would complain if they got LJ for MLE so you have to understand that.

They guy averaged 14/7 last year.  If we even get that out of him he's an upgrade over our starter from last year.  I'll be quite happy if DA can get him in here.

Offensively he'd be an upgrade if we get 14 and 7 out of him.  He is definitely not an upgrade on the defensive end though and rebounding.

Along with that he wouldn't be averaging 14 points on our squad because he would be the fifth option.

I think you may be underrating J.O.'s defense.  He's an above average defensive player, and he has the length to block and change shots.  He's also an okay rebounder, and certainly better than Brad Miller.

[Roy Hobbs]

Shaq, J.O., and Brad Miller...  sounds like your World Champion Portland CrotoNats.

[Mike-Dub]

All you JO haters out there who would you rather have? Shaq, Brad Miller?

Be realistic with what we have to work with. J. O'Neal is a great addition for some of the MLE.

Some people would complain if they got LJ for MLE so you have to understand that.

They guy averaged 14/7 last year.  If we even get that out of him he's an upgrade over our starter from last year.  I'll be quite happy if DA can get him in here.

Offensively he'd be an upgrade if we get 14 and 7 out of him.  He is definitely not an upgrade on the defensive end though and rebounding.

Along with that he wouldn't be averaging 14 points on our squad because he would be the fifth option.

I think you may be underrating J.O.'s defense.  He's an above average defensive player, and he has the length to block and change shots.  He's also an okay rebounder, and certainly better than Brad Miller.

He's not a better defender and upgrade than Perk period end of discussion.