Report: Jermaine O'Neal agrees to sign with the Celts (update on page 11)

[the_Bird]

Mike Miller - Might be over MLE. Several other teams after him also. If we could add him too that would be cool. 

Wondering why we couldn't give Mike Miller something like 3/$25 as part of a S&T, whatever the max we could do using 'Sheed's contract.  Send them $3M cash to buy out 'Sheed (and maybe keep a couple dollars themselves) and maybe a conditional draft pick.  Pretty sure Washington has enough cap space to do something like that.

[DinTN]

Mike Miller - Might be over MLE. Several other teams after him also. If we could add him too that would be cool. 

Wondering why we couldn't give Mike Miller something like 3/$25 as part of a S&T, whatever the max we could do using 'Sheed's contract.  Send them $3M cash to buy out 'Sheed (and maybe keep a couple dollars themselves) and maybe a conditional draft pick.  Pretty sure Washington has enough cap space to do something like that.

Like your thinking. Would like to add JO as well. If nothing else to have him at least somewhat as another offensive threat.

[gar]

On second thought, he does set nice picks and would be 100% better than Kwame. Decent pick and roll, pick and pop player. More versatile than Perk.

[ssspence]

I would rather have Kwame Brown.

At least he knows he sucks offensively and doesn't try to play outside of his skill level.

Well if LeBron does go to Miami I wonder if that'll change our backup big man equation.

They'll be selling their team hard to any big men in a position to take the veteran's minimum.

Agreed. I'm not sure JO is goiong back for the vet min, but Kwame would certainly have to consider it. Ditto for Kurt Thomas.

[LAceltic34]

If the Celtics sign Jermaine O'Neal, I predict there will be at least a couple of playoff games where he's going to be on the floor at the end of the fourth quarter in a competitive game instead of Kendrick Perkins.

O'Neal is in many ways an ideal fit for the team, a legitimate NBA starting center who can move to a bench role backing up both the 4 and 5 positions when Perkins comes back.

The main drawback to JO'N isn't his ability or concern that it might take all of the MLE to sign him.  The main concern is, and should be, his durability.

Really, we should be comparing Jermaine O'Neal to the other options.  Brad Miller for maybe half or 2/3 of the MLE.  A low budget collection of Kwame Brown and the summer league seven-footers.  Hoping Erick Dampier gets traded and cut for salary cap purposes.  Hoping that Miami gets LeBron and is forced to renounce Udonis Haslem.

I get the sense that some people on this board will regard any signing as a failure if it doesn't bring in an All-Star level player or a young player with the potential of a future All-Star.  Those would be the same people who break down and cry when they find out that Tommy points can't be redeemed to buy ponies.

WHAT??!!   

LOL!!! that was the same thought I had....

[Evantime34]

I like him a lot but with his history of injury trouble we better get him Kwame, and another quality big or two.

[Who]

I would rather have Kwame Brown.

At least he knows he sucks offensively and doesn't try to play outside of his skill level.

Well if LeBron does go to Miami I wonder if that'll change our backup big man equation.

They'll be selling their team hard to any big men in a position to take the veteran's minimum.

Agreed. I'm not sure JO is goiong back for the vet min, but Kwame would certainly have to consider it. Ditto for Kurt Thomas.

I'm not sure Jermaine's ego could handle accepting the minimum.

Not when other teams are telling him he'll have a good role and he'll be earning a large chunk of the MLE.

Edit: Yeah, if LeBron goes to Miami the Heat will get the pick of every minimum contract player out there. Boston and the rest of the NBA will have the leftovers. It'll make it more difficult for the C's to add quality minimum contract players.

[GreenFaith1819]

And since JO is only 31 it's not out of the question of him averaging 15 or 16 points playing with Rondo & Ticket setting him up for good looks by penitrating and ball movement. He still has 15pt 7rb 1.5blk potential in my opinion  

Good Point here..I can see many Alley-Oops in J.O.'s future with the man named Rondo.

Rondo > Chalmers/Arroyo.

[greg_kite]

When you sign and trade you can't include another contract. 

Um, yes you can.

No you can't it's in the cba.. Teams sign and trade because they don't have enough cap room to sign the player so why would the bring on extra cap room from another player? All you can send is a draft pick

If Miami did this before they sign Lebron & Co they would have the cap room.  Then Sheed's contract would go away if he retires without a buy out and they would have a few more $ to give to all three guys.

[the_Bird]

JO's an OLD 31...  his body's got a lot of wear and tear on it.

[ssspence]

What about a sign and trade. With Lebron apparently ready to join Miami, ESPN was saying that Miami is really trying to dump Beasley's contract.

Sign and trade Jermaine O'Neal and Beasley for Sheed, Harangody and a future pick. Keep the MLE.

O'Neal will need to be / has been renounced by the heat in order to sign FAs. Meanwhile, tell me why we want to help the Heat again?

[moiso]

JO's an OLD 31...  his body's got a lot of wear and tear on it.

31 with a 51 year old body.

[Roy Hobbs]

When you sign and trade you can't include another contract. 

Um, yes you can.

No you can't it's in the cba.. Teams sign and trade because they don't have enough cap room to sign the player so why would the bring on extra cap room from another player? All you can send is a draft pick

This is mistaken.  For an example of a team including another salary in a sign-and-trade, think of the Jason Kidd deal to Dallas, when Keith Van Horn was signed-and-traded.  I also believe the Lakers did a partial sign-and-trade in the Gasol deal.

[Mike-Dub]

I definitely don't want JO for the whole MLE.  A small portion of it, or the vet min (which is highly unlikely to happen), is all I would offer him. He is definitely not worth more than even half of the MLE.

[Evantime34]

All you JO haters out there who would you rather have? Shaq, Brad Miller?

Be realistic with what we have to work with. J. O'Neal is a great addition for some of the MLE.