Chris Webber said Ray will leave Boston this summer

[BudweiserCeltic]

Throughout all the Powe drama last season, the Celtic's story of what transpired was very consistent throughout. Powe story began to contradict itself as it went on.

[Eddie20]

Ginobili signed for 6 yrs 52M and is 2 years younger than Ray. That said, I don't think it's unreasonable for Allen's agent to initially request something like 4 yrs at 34- 35M. If he gets that kind of deal from someone then things look bleak in him re-signing unless we raise the ante, and offer him a 2 yr deal for about 12M per year. We might be forced to overpay in order to prevent his contract affecting our summer of 2012 plans and to offset a longer type deal by other teams.

[Roy Hobbs]

Ginobili signed for 6 yrs 52M and is 2 years younger than Ray. That said, I don't think it's unreasonable for Allen's agent to initially request something like 4 yrs at 34- 35M. If he gets that kind of deal from someone then things look bleak in him re-signing unless we raise the ante, and offer him a 2 yr deal for about 12M per year. We might be forced to overpay in order to prevent his contract affecting our summer of 2012 plans and to offset a longer type deal by other teams.

I believe Manu's extension was 3 years, $40 million, wasn't it?

I think 2 years, $21 million would be more than adequate compensation for Ray.  It's overly generous, but it's worth it to keep the core together for the next two years, until we can begin the rebuild in earnest via free agency.

[Eddie20]

Ginobili signed for 6 yrs 52M and is 2 years younger than Ray. That said, I don't think it's unreasonable for Allen's agent to initially request something like 4 yrs at 34- 35M. If he gets that kind of deal from someone then things look bleak in him re-signing unless we raise the ante, and offer him a 2 yr deal for about 12M per year. We might be forced to overpay in order to prevent his contract affecting our summer of 2012 plans and to offset a longer type deal by other teams.

I believe Manu's extension was 3 years, $40 million, wasn't it?

Yes, you're right. Don't know where I got that from.

[Fafnir]

Ginobili signed for 6 yrs 52M and is 2 years younger than Ray. That said, I don't think it's unreasonable for Allen's agent to initially request something like 4 yrs at 34- 35M. If he gets that kind of deal from someone then things look bleak in him re-signing unless we raise the ante, and offer him a 2 yr deal for about 12M per year. We might be forced to overpay in order to prevent his contract affecting our summer of 2012 plans and to offset a longer type deal by other teams.

I believe Manu's extension was 3 years, $40 million, wasn't it?

I think 2 years, $21 million would be more than adequate compensation for Ray.  It's overly generous, but it's worth it to keep the core together for the next two years, until we can begin the rebuild in earnest via free agency.

Agreed if we're not going to make several trades to get younger we should just pay Ray till KG's deal expires.

I don't think we should extend Pierce or Ray past KG's deal, unless its for far less than I think they'd accept.

[dark_lord]

now in no way do i want to sound like celticthug.......but a coworker of mine is a close friend with a sportswriter for one of the local papers.  he was told by the writer during the season that there were some issues in the locker room concerning rondo and ray.  this was earlier in the season and has since been rectified.  the issue was that ray wanted more looks and shots and was on rondo to give him the ball more....the reason, to increase his value on the market.  take it for what it is worth.  i dont even know how true this is, but my coworker is a friend and a fan of the team, and i can validate his friendship with the writer. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

I can believe Ray asking Rondo for more shots, particularly since there are too many stretches that Rondo forgets about him, or simply waits too long to give him the ball when he becomes available.

What I don't believe are the "reasons" you're stating for Ray asking to do that.

[Roy Hobbs]

now in no way do i want to sound like celticthug.......but a coworker of mine is a close friend with a sportswriter for one of the local papers.  he was told by the writer during the season that there were some issues in the locker room concerning rondo and ray.  this was earlier in the season and has since been rectified.  the issue was that ray wanted more looks and shots and was on rondo to give him the ball more....the reason, to increase his value on the market.  take it for what it is worth.  i dont even know how true this is, but my coworker is a friend and a fan of the team, and i can validate his friendship with the writer.  

That story doesn't make sense.  I mean, Ray wanting more shots might, and friction between he and Rondo is plausible.  But the part about wanting to "increase his value on the market"?  That's got to be speculation, either by your buddy or the sportswriter.  I mean, why would Ray say that to anybody, even if it were true?

EDIT:  Exactly what Bud said.

[dark_lord]

now in no way do i want to sound like celticthug.......but a coworker of mine is a close friend with a sportswriter for one of the local papers.  he was told by the writer during the season that there were some issues in the locker room concerning rondo and ray.  this was earlier in the season and has since been rectified.  the issue was that ray wanted more looks and shots and was on rondo to give him the ball more....the reason, to increase his value on the market.  take it for what it is worth.  i dont even know how true this is, but my coworker is a friend and a fan of the team, and i can validate his friendship with the writer.  

That story doesn't make sense.  I mean, Ray wanting more shots might, and friction between he and Rondo is plausible.  But the part about wanting to "increase his value on the market"?  That's got to be speculation, either by your buddy or the sportswriter.  I mean, why would Ray say that to anybody, even if it were true?

EDIT:  Exactly what Bud said.

like i said, take it for what its worth.  it was told to my friend by the writer.  i can validate my friends relationship with him and know this writer is with the team a lot, but i cant disclose who it is.

no idea if it is true and i, myself was surprised when i was told that.  ray has said he wants to retire here and is willing to sign for less $.....but even with that, u dont know if ray is being honest or saying "the right thing".

[nickagneta]

now in no way do i want to sound like celticthug.......but a coworker of mine is a close friend with a sportswriter for one of the local papers.  he was told by the writer during the season that there were some issues in the locker room concerning rondo and ray.  this was earlier in the season and has since been rectified.  the issue was that ray wanted more looks and shots and was on rondo to give him the ball more....the reason, to increase his value on the market.  take it for what it is worth.  i dont even know how true this is, but my coworker is a friend and a fan of the team, and i can validate his friendship with the writer.  

That story doesn't make sense.  I mean, Ray wanting more shots might, and friction between he and Rondo is plausible.  But the part about wanting to "increase his value on the market"?  That's got to be speculation, either by your buddy or the sportswriter.  I mean, why would Ray say that to anybody, even if it were true?

EDIT:  Exactly what Bud said.

like i said, take it for what its worth.  it was told to my friend by the writer.  i can validate my friends relationship with him and know this writer is with the team a lot, but i cant disclose who it is.

no idea if it is true and i, myself was surprised when i was told that.  ray has said he wants to retire here and is willing to sign for less $.....but even with that, u dont know if ray is being honest or saying "the right thing".

Personally, it would not surprise me that any athlete would say anything like this.

I don't know Ray Allen from Ron Artest from Shane Battier from Kobe Bryant from Grant Hill from Lebron James. What they are like, how they perceive the basketball"business" or how they act in the locker room and with team mates are all mysteries to me.

I, like all of us, make our opinions of these players based more on what we see on television, what we hear in interviews and what we read in papers and books not on personal interaction with these people.

I can not stand LeBron James. He comes off as an arrogant, self indulgent dink to me. One of my best friends in the whole world who was a Sports Information Director at the University of Akron during LeBron's high school days and early career as a Cav, who knows LeBron very well as a person, says the guy is a sweetheart and just a really good person. An upstanding guy. So who do I believe? The guy I would stake my life on if I had to or my own opinions of the guy that are dictated through Celtic love and the media?

All I'm trying to get at is though this report of DL's might not be of the perception that we have of Ray Allen, we don't really know Ray Allen and Ray might say something like this because Ray might be a family guy that wants to maximize his next contract to do everything possible to make sure his family is secure. Who knows? I don't think there are many of us that have ever been around these guys in the locker room and know what type of things they may say to each other.

And if DL is like me, he probably trusts his very good friend's word more than he might his own perception of Ray Allen that he got through mostly a media driven stream of info.

[BudweiserCeltic]

The problem really is not Ray really maybe having some motivation for this being so. The problem comes from a scenario in which it would become known. Knowing what you know of Ray Allen, can you envision a conversation between Ray and Rondo in which Ray would state "Rondo give me more shots, I need to make more MONEY!!!!"? Or would you imagine Ray Allen in this particular Celtic team, looking for a championship, in this stage of his career making some sort of proclamation where he might be heard of being displeased because he's not adding to his market value for free-agency?

To me if anything, this supposed writer is either drawing up flawed conclusions, or listening to people who are doing the same without being in the know. I can easily see some random person making a general comment "Man this Ray is only on Rondo's ear because he wants a fat paycheck next year". That's how rumors get started.

There's no doubt that Ray might be concerned with his future, etc. But going to Rondo and asking him for more shots, particularly when he's only taking 12 shots a game, with a career in which he's shot about 18-20 shots per game, and the reason for it being because he's worried about his market value just smells like a ton of crap. And while he might have not shoot the long range particularly well this season, his FG% is around his career highs. So his grievances with not getting more shot attempts is too reasonable, too legit for it to be summarized into "the reason being he wants to increase his market value".

[wiley]

now in no way do i want to sound like celticthug.......but a coworker of mine is a close friend with a sportswriter for one of the local papers.  he was told by the writer during the season that there were some issues in the locker room concerning rondo and ray.  this was earlier in the season and has since been rectified.  the issue was that ray wanted more looks and shots and was on rondo to give him the ball more....the reason, to increase his value on the market.  take it for what it is worth.  i dont even know how true this is, but my coworker is a friend and a fan of the team, and i can validate his friendship with the writer.  

That story doesn't make sense.  I mean, Ray wanting more shots might, and friction between he and Rondo is plausible.  But the part about wanting to "increase his value on the market"?  That's got to be speculation, either by your buddy or the sportswriter.  I mean, why would Ray say that to anybody, even if it were true?

EDIT:  Exactly what Bud said.

like i said, take it for what its worth.  it was told to my friend by the writer.  i can validate my friends relationship with him and know this writer is with the team a lot, but i cant disclose who it is.

no idea if it is true and i, myself was surprised when i was told that.  ray has said he wants to retire here and is willing to sign for less $.....but even with that, u dont know if ray is being honest or saying "the right thing".

Personally, it would not surprise me that any athlete would say anything like this.

I don't know Ray Allen from Ron Artest from Shane Battier from Kobe Bryant from Grant Hill from Lebron James. What they are like, how they perceive the basketball"business" or how they act in the locker room and with team mates are all mysteries to me.

I, like all of us, make our opinions of these players based more on what we see on television, what we hear in interviews and what we read in papers and books not on personal interaction with these people.

I can not stand LeBron James. He comes off as an arrogant, self indulgent dink to me. One of my best friends in the whole world who was a Sports Information Director at the University of Akron during LeBron's high school days and early career as a Cav, who knows LeBron very well as a person, says the guy is a sweetheart and just a really good person. An upstanding guy. So who do I believe? The guy I would stake my life on if I had to or my own opinions of the guy that are dictated through Celtic love and the media?

All I'm trying to get at is though this report of DL's might not be of the perception that we have of Ray Allen, we don't really know Ray Allen and Ray might say something like this because Ray might be a family guy that wants to maximize his next contract to do everything possible to make sure his family is secure. Who knows? I don't think there are many of us that have ever been around these guys in the locker room and know what type of things they may say to each other.

And if DL is like me, he probably trusts his very good friend's word more than he might his own perception of Ray Allen that he got through mostly a media driven stream of info.

Excellent post Nick.  TP.

And I would add that context, when we have none to go on, becomes the all-important missing ingredient......if we think about how we talk to our buddies and even co-workers in private....don't we all say all kinds of things that don't quite represent who we are.....(trash talking mood, bad mood, euphoric mood, angry....etc...)

Thank god what comes out of my mouth isn't passed from person, losing more context each time,  that would be scary...

[nickagneta]

The problem really is not Ray really maybe having some motivation for this being so. The problem comes from a scenario in which it would become known. Knowing what you know of Ray Allen, can you envision a conversation between Ray and Rondo in which Ray would state "Rondo give me more shots, I need to make more MONEY!!!!"? Or would you imagine Ray Allen in this particular Celtic team, looking for a championship, in this stage of his career making some sort of proclamation where he might be heard of being displeased because he's not adding to his market value for free-agency?

To me if anything, this supposed writer is either drawing up flawed conclusions, or listening to people who are doing the same without being in the know. I can easily see some random person making a general comment "Man this Ray is only on Rondo's ear because he wants a fat paycheck next year". That's how rumors get started.

There's no doubt that Ray might be concerned with his future, etc. But going to Rondo and asking him for more shots, particularly when he's only taking 12 shots a game, with a career in which he's shot about 18-20 shots per game, and the reason for it being because he's worried about his market value just smells like a ton of crap. And while he might have not shoot the long range particularly well this season, his FG% is around his career highs. So his grievances with not getting more shot attempts is too reasonable, too legit for it to be summarized into "the reason being he wants to increase his market value".

What exactly do you know personally about Ray Allen that makes this statement he might have said so outlandish?

Do you have personal or business interaction with the man? Have you been friends with Ray for years? Or are your opinions on Ray Allen built around media stories, media interviews and how he plays on the court?

A year ago how many on this blog would have thought that Tiger Woods was a sex starved nymphomaniac that was juggling 23 different girlfriends and hiring prostitutes and adult film stars to pleasure him while being married and a father?

[wiley]

The problem really is not Ray really maybe having some motivation for this being so. The problem comes from a scenario in which it would become known. Knowing what you know of Ray Allen, can you envision a conversation between Ray and Rondo in which Ray would state "Rondo give me more shots, I need to make more MONEY!!!!"? Or would you imagine Ray Allen in this particular Celtic team, looking for a championship, in this stage of his career making some sort of proclamation where he might be heard of being displeased because he's not adding to his market value for free-agency?

To me if anything, this supposed writer is either drawing up flawed conclusions, or listening to people who are doing the same without being in the know. I can easily see some random person making a general comment "Man this Ray is only on Rondo's ear because he wants a fat paycheck next year". That's how rumors get started.

There's no doubt that Ray might be concerned with his future, etc. But going to Rondo and asking him for more shots, particularly when he's only taking 12 shots a game, with a career in which he's shot about 18-20 shots per game, and the reason for it being because he's worried about his market value just smells like a ton of crap. And while he might have not shoot the long range particularly well this season, his FG% is around his career highs. So his grievances with not getting more shot attempts is too reasonable, too legit for it to be summarized into "the reason being he wants to increase his market value".

Good post you too, Bud...

And even if he did say something about money....we don't know his mood when he said it...
Ray Allen would have to say a whole lot of consecutive crap for my opinion of him to budge even a little....

[BudweiserCeltic]

The problem really is not Ray really maybe having some motivation for this being so. The problem comes from a scenario in which it would become known. Knowing what you know of Ray Allen, can you envision a conversation between Ray and Rondo in which Ray would state "Rondo give me more shots, I need to make more MONEY!!!!"? Or would you imagine Ray Allen in this particular Celtic team, looking for a championship, in this stage of his career making some sort of proclamation where he might be heard of being displeased because he's not adding to his market value for free-agency?

To me if anything, this supposed writer is either drawing up flawed conclusions, or listening to people who are doing the same without being in the know. I can easily see some random person making a general comment "Man this Ray is only on Rondo's ear because he wants a fat paycheck next year". That's how rumors get started.

There's no doubt that Ray might be concerned with his future, etc. But going to Rondo and asking him for more shots, particularly when he's only taking 12 shots a game, with a career in which he's shot about 18-20 shots per game, and the reason for it being because he's worried about his market value just smells like a ton of crap. And while he might have not shoot the long range particularly well this season, his FG% is around his career highs. So his grievances with not getting more shot attempts is too reasonable, too legit for it to be summarized into "the reason being he wants to increase his market value".

What exactly do you know personally about Ray Allen that makes this statement he might have said so outlandish?

Do you have personal or business interaction with the man? Have you been friends with Ray for years? Or are your opinions on Ray Allen built around media stories, media interviews and how he plays on the court?

A year ago how many on this blog would have thought that Tiger Woods was a sex starved nymphomaniac that was juggling 23 different girlfriends and hiring prostitutes and adult film stars to pleasure him while being married and a father?

Considering that I naturally make the assumption that all these stars and celebrities are having year round orgies, Tiger Woods doesn't surprise me. So it has no baring on me.

Again, I have zero problem with an element of Ray's preoccupation being his future. That's just normal, understandable, and completely human. The problem here is the way it's being presented just doesn't fit because it simply makes zero sense how it's being construed. And it simply diminishes and overlooks all other factors for him asking for more shots.