I am proud of KG & the Celts

[barefacedmonk]

So he stays in the floor while the stinger goes away and he gets carried out of the floor because a torn meniscus. Is that the best you guys can find as examples for Pierce being a drama queen when he gets hurt through his 12 years of basketball?

The head bandage after a playoff loss to the pacers.

How long did it take to dig that one up? That bandage was meant to call out the refs....for not calling the obvious fouls.

It instantly comes to mind.  It's Paul Pierce looking for a little extra attention when the cameras are on.  I think the guy is super tough, but he is a little attention seeking at times during the playoffs.  He doesn't lay on the floor because he's wimpy, he does it for the attention.

yea right...he seeks attention....should be start a thread about that too?

Yeah but are you denying that he over-reacted a little bit on Saturday?

I admitted that he does over react at times....but "he is a drama queen"..."he seeks attention"  "he only does it on national TV" is all crap....those things can be said about every player that gets injured during a game....and no game is without TV coverage....some are national...and some local/regional...so, to say that he does it only for the cameras is a load of crap. He had injured that same shoulder in the game against SA...and like you said....stingers are scary and they hurt.

[indeedproceed]

So he stays in the floor while the stinger goes away and he gets carried out of the floor because a torn meniscus. Is that the best you guys can find as examples for Pierce being a drama queen when he gets hurt through his 12 years of basketball?

The head bandage after a playoff loss to the pacers.

How long did it take to dig that one up? That bandage was meant to call out the refs....for not calling the obvious fouls.

It instantly comes to mind.  It's Paul Pierce looking for a little extra attention when the cameras are on.  I think the guy is super tough, but he is a little attention seeking at times during the playoffs.  He doesn't lay on the floor because he's wimpy, he does it for the attention.

yea right...he seeks attention....should be start a thread about that too?

Yeah but are you denying that he over-reacted a little bit on Saturday? Because to me that's kind of irrefutable. He might have been scared, and he might have been traumatized or whatever by his earlier shoulder injury..but I believe pretty firmly he could've stayed on his feet and walked it off.

Again, I'm not calling him a drama queen, if it was a 'stinger' as BC says, those things hurt...a lot. I'm just saying lets not confuse Paul Pierce with John McClane either. Guy can play though injuries as well as anyone else when he needs to, but when he feels like he's been hurt, he's not scared of getting a little floor wax on his jersey.

This is the problem I have with it, the staying on his feet part that you guys keep mentioning. Didn't you guys see first that he was unbalanced after passing the ball in an awkward angle. Secondly, didn't you guys see him trip with Q's or whomever's feet? Thirdly, didn't you guys see the shove that Q gave him afterwards as he was unbalanced?

He fell. So now we must exhort him to stand himself up while his shoulder/neck is going through a stinger?

Really, what's the big deal of him staying on the floor while the sensation passes? I still don't understand it.

Personally I saw him being unbalanced and maybe stumble with a ghost of a shove from Q-Ritch.

But its not so much the hitting the floor as the writhing on the floor that gets me. If he fell he fell. I'm just saying some guys lie there and some guys don't. Pierce is one of the lying there guys.

I agree though that I don't see what the big deal is either. I just think to say that the other POV doesn't have any validity is wrong, it was pretty clear to me that he could've gotten up whenever he wanted.

[BudweiserCeltic]

So he stays in the floor while the stinger goes away and he gets carried out of the floor because a torn meniscus. Is that the best you guys can find as examples for Pierce being a drama queen when he gets hurt through his 12 years of basketball?

The head bandage after a playoff loss to the pacers.

How long did it take to dig that one up? That bandage was meant to call out the refs....for not calling the obvious fouls.

It instantly comes to mind.  It's Paul Pierce looking for a little extra attention when the cameras are on.  I think the guy is super tough, but he is a little attention seeking at times during the playoffs.  He doesn't lay on the floor because he's wimpy, he does it for the attention.

yea right...he seeks attention....should be start a thread about that too?

Yeah but are you denying that he over-reacted a little bit on Saturday? Because to me that's kind of irrefutable. He might have been scared, and he might have been traumatized or whatever by his earlier shoulder injury..but I believe pretty firmly he could've stayed on his feet and walked it off.

Again, I'm not calling him a drama queen, if it was a 'stinger' as BC says, those things hurt...a lot. I'm just saying lets not confuse Paul Pierce with John McClane either. Guy can play though injuries as well as anyone else when he needs to, but when he feels like he's been hurt, he's not scared of getting a little floor wax on his jersey.

This is the problem I have with it, the staying on his feet part that you guys keep mentioning. Didn't you guys see first that he was unbalanced after passing the ball in an awkward angle. Secondly, didn't you guys see him trip with Q's or whomever's feet? Thirdly, didn't you guys see the shove that Q gave him afterwards as he was unbalanced?

He fell. So now we must exhort him to stand himself up while his shoulder/neck is going through a stinger?

Really, what's the big deal of him staying on the floor while the sensation passes? I still don't understand it.

Personally I saw him being unbalanced and maybe stumble with a ghost of a shove from Q-Ritch.

But its not so much the hitting the floor as the writhing on the floor that gets me. If he fell he fell. I'm just saying some guys lie there and some guys don't. Pierce is one of the lying there guys.

I agree though that I don't see what the big deal is either. I just think to say that the other POV doesn't have any validity is wrong, it was pretty clear to me that he could've gotten up whenever he wanted.

Oh yeah, that's true. When Pierce falls he usually takes his time there, but I think it was very evident that he was going through a stinger. I mean, this is nothing new, he's been battling it for weeks now. And how he looked after he got up it was also evident of what he was going through.

I just don't see why people are so easily ready to go against him in this particular case, especially when there's all this evidence of what he was going through.

I might have mistaken this for a Celtics site. I'm not here asking for unconditional love, but as Celtics fans at the very least I would expect the benefit of the doubt, particularly given the circumstances and the injury he has been complaining about for weeks.

[guava_wrench]

While the "yes he is", "no he isn't" discussion is very entertaining, it will never end.

QRich's comments echoed what I have thought all year, even before the stinger. This is now part of Pierce's reputation. People are free to disagree, but reputations like this don't arise from nowhere.

I'm sure Pierce's finals knee drama played a part. But look at the reactions of different players when they get hurt. Pierce is among the most dramatic. Is there anything wrong with him being so? Of course not. But QRich was correct when he said it is probably nothing.

It seems Pierce gets more scared initially than the average player that his pain is a serious injury, but he is also more willing to play through injury than the average player.

[EJPLAYA]

This is what I expect from my players! 

[barefacedmonk]

This is what I expect from my players! 

Playing basketball with a protective helmet...now that would be dramatic.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'm sure Pierce's finals knee drama played a part.

I'll just respond to this. Prior to this, when has Pierce's toughness ever been questioned? It doesn't played a part, that's the entire basis of the "fans" around.

[BudweiserCeltic]

This is what I expect from my players! 

Well the shoulder pads will certainly help Pierce here.

[guava_wrench]

So he stays in the floor while the stinger goes away and he gets carried out of the floor because a torn meniscus. Is that the best you guys can find as examples for Pierce being a drama queen when he gets hurt through his 12 years of basketball?

The head bandage after a playoff loss to the pacers.

How long did it take to dig that one up? That bandage was meant to call out the refs....for not calling the obvious fouls.

It instantly comes to mind.  It's Paul Pierce looking for a little extra attention when the cameras are on.  I think the guy is super tough, but he is a little attention seeking at times during the playoffs.  He doesn't lay on the floor because he's wimpy, he does it for the attention.

yea right...he seeks attention....should be start a thread about that too?

Yeah but are you denying that he over-reacted a little bit on Saturday? Because to me that's kind of irrefutable. He might have been scared, and he might have been traumatized or whatever by his earlier shoulder injury..but I believe pretty firmly he could've stayed on his feet and walked it off.

Again, I'm not calling him a drama queen, if it was a 'stinger' as BC says, those things hurt...a lot. I'm just saying lets not confuse Paul Pierce with John McClane either. Guy can play though injuries as well as anyone else when he needs to, but when he feels like he's been hurt, he's not scared of getting a little floor wax on his jersey.

This is the problem I have with it, the staying on his feet part that you guys keep mentioning. Didn't you guys see first that he was unbalanced after passing the ball in an awkward angle. Secondly, didn't you guys see him trip with Q's or whomever's feet? Thirdly, didn't you guys see the shove that Q gave him afterwards as he was unbalanced?

He fell. So now we must exhort him to stand himself up while his shoulder/neck is going through a stinger?

Really, what's the big deal of him staying on the floor while the sensation passes? I still don't understand it.

Personally I saw him being unbalanced and maybe stumble with a ghost of a shove from Q-Ritch.

But its not so much the hitting the floor as the writhing on the floor that gets me. If he fell he fell. I'm just saying some guys lie there and some guys don't. Pierce is one of the lying there guys.

I agree though that I don't see what the big deal is either. I just think to say that the other POV doesn't have any validity is wrong, it was pretty clear to me that he could've gotten up whenever he wanted.

Oh yeah, that's true. When Pierce falls he usually takes his time there, but I think it was very evident that he was going through a stinger. I mean, this is nothing new, he's been battling it for weeks now. And how he looked after he got up it was also evident of what he was going through.

I just don't see why people are so easily ready to go against him in this particular case, especially when there's all this evidence of what he was going through.

I might have mistaken this for a Celtics site. I'm not here asking for unconditional love, but as Celtics fans at the very least I would expect the benefit of the doubt, particularly given the circumstances and the injury he has been complaining about for weeks.

Just because this is a Celtics site doesn't mean we need to leave our brains at the door.

The bottom line is that what KG did was stupid. It is not Pierce's fault, nor is it Q Rich's fault. It is completely KG's fault for losing his cool and there is no reason to be proud of KG for that incident.

KG tries to bait other players all the time. He tries to goad them into that kind of behavior. He should know better.

If you try to use concern for a teammate as justification, then we get into the discussions about the boy who cried injury. That is irrelevant though since players know the rules regarding elbows.

What the heck are other players going to do to Pierce anyway? Shank him? Start kicking him while he is on the floor? The only impact of players gathering is less camera accessibility.

[barefacedmonk]

Just because this is a Celtics site doesn't mean we need to leave our brains at the door.

He only stated that we as fans should give PP the benefit of the doubt....you don't have to leave your brain at the door to do that...

[guava_wrench]

I'm sure Pierce's finals knee drama played a part.

I'll just respond to this. Prior to this, when has Pierce's toughness ever been questioned? It doesn't played a part, that's the entire basis of the "fans" around.

Like I said elsewhere, no one questions Pierce's ability to play through injury. It is the way he rolls around on the floor and the faces he makes that people are noticing.

"Fans"? I guess you hold the official opinions for Celtics fans. You are the arbiter for Celtics fan orthodoxy.

Celtics fans do not have to live in Fantasyland.

[angryguy77]

If this guy can get away with exaggerating injuries, then why cant PP?




If you were to take a shot for everytime Lebron holds his throat after getting "hit" during a game, you wouldn't be able to walk by halftime.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'm sure Pierce's finals knee drama played a part.

I'll just respond to this. Prior to this, when has Pierce's toughness ever been questioned? It doesn't played a part, that's the entire basis of the "fans" around.

Like I said elsewhere, no one questions Pierce's ability to play through injury. It is the way he rolls around on the floor and the faces he makes that people are noticing.

"Fans"? I guess you hold the official opinions for Celtics fans. You are the arbiter for Celtics fan orthodoxy.

Celtics fans do not have to live in Fantasyland.

When I mentioned fans I wasn't speaking of Celtics fans, I was mentioning fans in general, particularly from other teams since when the Finals things occurred, those were the ones complaining. I didn't see much complaining around here at that particular time.

[guava_wrench]

Just because this is a Celtics site doesn't mean we need to leave our brains at the door.

He only stated that we as fans should give PP the benefit of the doubt....you don't have to leave your brain at the door to do that...

And we should give Sheed the benefit of the doubt on his effort and coachableness? I don't agree. There is no reason why being a fan requires us to set aside reason.

Why should I encourage my being a fan to distort my perceptions in such a way? I am the kind of fan who never boos his team and who is loud as hell when cheering at games. I am also the kind of fan who recognizes when we benefit from a bad call.

[Tai]

Seriously, guys.

Man Laws on how to take an injury like man. Now.

I'll print it and tape it on my dorm wall. Maybe it'll get me a girlfriend.