GSW Fire Sale according to Rick Bucher

[sk7326]

Bos sends: Ray , BBD  and a 2010 1st
GS  sends: Maggette, Radmonovic, Randolph

Here's how I break this down:

I wouldn't trade Ray for Maggette, straight up.

I wouldn't trade BBD, a 1st, and take on VladRad's deal to get Randolph.

Therefore, I pass.  If there's any way to get Maggette for other expiring contracts, though, I'd have definite interest.

How about Ray for Ellis and Maggette?

I'm not a huge fan of acquiring Ellis.  I have serious concerns about how a backcourt of Rondo and Ellis would function.  Two small guards who need the ball in their hands to be effective isn't a recipe for success, especially when neither is a good shooter.  Ellis bristled when Golden State wanted to play him next to Stephen Curry; I can only imagine his reaction alongside Rondo.

I agree. I like a Maggette and nice pieces trade more than an Ellis trade. Maggette gets his role. Ellis is an emotionally and physically fragile kid with no real clue about life or the game.

No clue about the game? I think your giving the game of basketball too much intellectual credit.
If he is faster than everyone on the court I don't know how high of a basketball IQ he needs to have in order to get to the hoop. His speed allows him to put his head down and get to the basket.

Ellis is an instinctive scorer, I think he not only has a clue about the game but has an innate understanding of it. His numbers reflect this.

His numbers reflect the Warriors playing at a MUCH faster pace than anybody else in the league.  103 possessions per game in a league where nobody else averages 100.  Ellis would be going from being a lead guard on the fastest paced team in the league who doesn't care if he hogs the ball to a guy playing off the ball on the 5th slowest paced team in the league in a passing oriented system.

Also talking about a guy who has taken 101 three pointers this year despite only making 30% of them (Rasheed Wallace will enjoy hanging out with him).  And a point guard with fewer assists on a rate basis than Sebastian Telfair or Earl Boykins.  He has crazy talent, but his game is a weird fit on this team.

[The Walker Wiggle]

There's plenty of guys who can score a lot taking a lot of shots on a bad team. Yes, he's talented. But he goes 1-on-5 every posession. He calls himself a team leader but really he's selfish and fickle. Why do I want him taking the ball out of Rondo's hands?

I think you might be over-stating the case. Monta is averaging 5.5 assists as the team's shooting guard. And anyone who was around for the Celtic's off-season, can appreciate how a lack of games to cover and today's appetite for gossip can give legs to a negative character piece. (Which isn't to say that Ellis is any sort of locker room replacement for Ray.)

[sk7326]

I don't know if Ellis and Rondo can play on the court at the same time.  Is it possible that on GSW Ellis plays the role of the scoring point guard because that is how their system works.  And maybe if he entered a new system he would adapt.

Can Doc coach anybody out of their ego?  Marbury, Sheed, Rondo... Ellis?

If we remained healthy in the first part of the year and we were dominant would we even be thinking about making a major trade?  KG seems like he is fine.  Marquis will be fine.  Pierce is getting better.  

When healthy this team has the best chance to win this year.  Do you risk that chance for Monta Ellis and his question marks?      

Marquis Daniels has a long and storied history of being injured - so can't count on that.  Sheed has been awful - though there is some upside there.  Really this team desperately needs quality depth and it's just not there right now.  The Warriors offer legitimate depth.  Trading 4 pieces of flotsam for it (and yes, 2010 Eddie House is flotsam, 2009 Eddie House is not).

[winsomme]

Bos sends: Ray , BBD  and a 2010 1st
GS  sends: Maggette, Radmonovic, Randolph

Here's how I break this down:

I wouldn't trade Ray for Maggette, straight up.

I wouldn't trade BBD, a 1st, and take on VladRad's deal to get Randolph.

Therefore, I pass.  If there's any way to get Maggette for other expiring contracts, though, I'd have definite interest.

I would trade Ray for Maggette if Ray was coming back to us via a buyout.

Maggette would actually be perfect off the bench for us and if Ray is going to come back next year at around 10 mil, then Maggette still would keep our payroll relatively stable.

also, there's no way GSW wants to keep Ray. if they start trading, they want to get in on the John Wall sweepstakes.

[fanofgreen]

Bos sends: Ray , BBD  and a 2010 1st
GS  sends: Maggette, Radmonovic, Randolph

Here's how I break this down:

I wouldn't trade Ray for Maggette, straight up.

I wouldn't trade BBD, a 1st, and take on VladRad's deal to get Randolph.

Therefore, I pass.  If there's any way to get Maggette for other expiring contracts, though, I'd have definite interest.

How about Ray for Ellis and Maggette?

I'm not a huge fan of acquiring Ellis.  I have serious concerns about how a backcourt of Rondo and Ellis would function.  Two small guards who need the ball in their hands to be effective isn't a recipe for success, especially when neither is a good shooter.  Ellis bristled when Golden State wanted to play him next to Stephen Curry; I can only imagine his reaction alongside Rondo.

I agree.  Two ball-dominate young guards in the same backcourt. I dont see in chemistry in that at all. Rondo has to be the primary ball handler, with his lack of shooting ability, and Monta has to have the ball, in order to utilize his best skills, his ability to get to the basket.

But we cant forget about, Paul Pierce and how much he likes to isolate, and pound the air out of the ball, at times.

There's just no way Rondo and Monta can function together.

On paper it looks good, and smart, and makes sense 35yr old Ray Allen declining skill set...for 20 something yr old Monta Ellis inclining skill set.

But people have to remember this is a team sport, and not a 1-on-1 tournament

[P2]

Maggette would definitely put us over the top, and it would be great if he could be had for expirings.

[Moranis]

Randolph is the only Warrior that interests me (well curry does as well but he isn't leaving).  I suspect we would have to eat a very bad contract to land Randolph.  I'd honestly rather have Biedrins then Maggette in the bad contract department, because Biedrins is actually worth his contract if he could ever stay healthy, even when healthy Maggette is not worth his.

So I would offer the following

2010 first
Davis
Scalabrine
Daniels or House

for

Biedrins
Randolph

Giving the Celtics another defender and rebounder and a promising young PF.

If the Warriors wanted us to take on more salary I'd take Azubuike or Wright (if he can even be traded) and add in Sheldon or Walker (if that got enough)

[fanofgreen]

If there is anyone we need to be concerned about getting our hands on, it should be purely on trying to get Anthony Randolph, and not Monta or Maggette.

Even if he wont play again until the very last part of the season.
It would be a move with the mindset of the future.

I like a young core of Rondo, Randolph, and Perkins.

plus i think this team needs a lefty . Cant think off the top right now, but who is the last Lefty the C's have  had??

[Brickowski]

Monta Ellis played extremely well when GS had Baron Davis, who dominates the ball more than Rondo.  The idea that Ellis demands the ball is a myth.  He plays extremely well off the ball.  He can flat out score, and he does it the old fashioned way.  There's certainly no one on the current Celtics who can stop him consistently.

But I want no part of either Maggette or Radmanovich, both of who are selfish players who don't defend.  I want Raja Bell (expiring) and one of their young forwards, either Brandon Wright or Anthony Randolph.

[arctic 3.0]

Thing is GS (and Sacramento) make great trading partners this year. they have a productive player with long a contract that they have to shed and lots of young talent to sweeten the deal. I expect some team to trade with them and make out like a bandit.

I would love to see morrow, randolph and maggette for scal, tony and eddie's expiring (add walker to make #'s work).

we would upgrade two positions this year with out weakening anywhere and have randolph to look forward to next year.

our line up this year
rondo, danials
r allen, morrow(.443 3pt %)
pierce, maggette
KG, davis
perk, sheed
WOW
and next year randolph steps in behind KG
doubleWOW

[ssspence]

There's plenty of guys who can score a lot taking a lot of shots on a bad team. Yes, he's talented. But he goes 1-on-5 every posession. He calls himself a team leader but really he's selfish and fickle. Why do I want him taking the ball out of Rondo's hands?

I think you might be over-stating the case. Monta is averaging 5.5 assists as the team's shooting guard. And anyone who was around for the Celtic's off-season, can appreciate how a lack of games to cover and today's appetite for gossip can give legs to a negative character piece. (Which isn't to say that Ellis is any sort of locker room replacement for Ray.)

Fair enough. Just keep in mind that he handles the ball at all times (i.e. they have no PG) and they average an extremely high number of posessions a game. My point being -- his assist numbers aren't so impressive.

Look -- bottom line, he and rondo really can't play on the same team. and i'm not giving up rondo for monta moped ellis.

[dlpin]

Monta Ellis is a terrible fit for the Celtics.

A career 29% 3 point shooter who is on pace to shoot 200 3 pointers this year. An eFG% that would put him on 12th in the celtics this season.  Turnover per 100 possessions that is worse than any of our wings (except Allen). And a usage % of almost 30%.

Could he learn to play without the ball? Not take as many shots? Hustle on defense? Sure. Can all his current problems be an issue of system at GS? Sure.

But let's not pretend that those are things that are obvious. It is just as likely, if not more, that he would play exactly the same way here as he currently does in GS.

[celticinorlando]

pass...space cadet and monte ellis just dont fit well here

[Birdbrain]

Monta Ellis is a terrible fit for the Celtics.

A career 29% 3 point shooter who is on pace to shoot 200 3 pointers this year. An eFG% that would put him on 12th in the celtics this season.  Turnover per 100 possessions that is worse than any of our wings (except Allen). And a usage % of almost 30%.

Could he learn to play without the ball? Not take as many shots? Hustle on defense? Sure. Can all his current problems be an issue of system at GS? Sure.

But let's not pretend that those are things that are obvious. It is just as likely, if not more, that he would play exactly the same way here as he currently does in GS.

Where does it say we need a 3pt shooter?  I thought the complaint was they shoot too many 3's.  Some of you no idea what you're talking about w/ regard to Ellis although I assume most of it just masking your KEEP CLASSY RAY ALLEN.  At least I hope so that would make some sense.

[Fan from VT]

It might be hard to imagine GS unloading Randolph and Morrow just to get rid of Maggette, but what if it was to get rid of Maggette or Ellis and vlad's deal?

I could see a Ray and a 1st for Randolph, Vlad, Morrow, Ellis type package. I'd have to do that. Try to play Ellis and Rondo together (As i think Brick pointed out, Baron is not a great three point shooter and they were very good together), and insert Morrow if other teams are really clogging.