GSW considering Ellis for Allen?

[celticinorlando]

i have no desire to see ellis on the celtics

[bbd24]

i have no desire to see ellis on the celtics

I live in Northern Cali and the trade rumors out here are being laughed at.  They can't believe the Warriors would trade for an older Ray Allen and give up a young all star talent like Ellis.

Everyone I've heard around these parts ( radio, etc.) said no way possible the warriors even consider this swap.

I'm a Celtic fan and although I don't want Ray gone, I'd have to pull the trigger if Ellis is coming back in that swap.  No brainer.  A kid that young and athletic for an older player with just a couple years let ?  Gotta pull that trigger

[Edgar]

i have no desire to see ellis on the celtics

I live in Northern Cali and the trade rumors out here are being laughed at.  They can't believe the Warriors would trade for an older Ray Allen and give up a young all star talent like Ellis.

Everyone I've heard around these parts ( radio, etc.) said no way possible the warriors even consider this swap.

I'm a Celtic fan and although I don't want Ray gone, I'd have to pull the trigger if Ellis is coming back in that swap.  No brainer.  A kid that young and athletic for an older player with just a couple years let ?  Gotta pull that trigger

well GM work in misterious wayy

Ask Seattle fans if Ray Allen  was suposed to be tra ded for Wally great legs and the super Delonte ( who I am a closet fan )

[sk7326]

i have no desire to see ellis on the celtics

I live in Northern Cali and the trade rumors out here are being laughed at.  They can't believe the Warriors would trade for an older Ray Allen and give up a young all star talent like Ellis.

Everyone I've heard around these parts ( radio, etc.) said no way possible the warriors even consider this swap.

I'm a Celtic fan and although I don't want Ray gone, I'd have to pull the trigger if Ellis is coming back in that swap.  No brainer.  A kid that young and athletic for an older player with just a couple years let ?  Gotta pull that trigger

It gets the Warriors out of Ellis' contract - that is the lone virtue.  But given the amazing stupidity and selfishness with how Nellie has coached that team and run that operation, who knows how it will turn up.  I'd gun much harder for the Maggette (who is used to being a sixth man) and Anthony Randolph (limitless talent) pu pu platter. 

Ellis is a better player but a worse fit.  On a team that rewards selfishness and blatant stats-gunning, he has been overrated but good - coming here to a pass-oriented offense where he'd be expected to play defense (or at least try) is not so good. 

[celticinorlando]

go after amare

[Fan from VT]

Here's an interesting one, an absolute blockbuster that actually could be argued for each side:

Golden State trades Ellis, Maggette

Gets Ray, Boston #1

Minnesota trades Al Jefferson

Gets Glen Davis and either Maggette/Ellis

Boston trades Ray, Baby, #1

Gets Jefferson, Ellis/Maggette


Boston is set for the next few years, regardless of which guy they get at the 2 spot.

Minnesota has been rumored to want to move Jefferson for a wing scorer. They do so, and get Baby out of the deal as a bonus.

Then Golden State really gets salary relief for the chance to build their Morrow/Curry/Randolph core with their own pick and a late first rounder from us.

[bbd24]

i have no desire to see ellis on the celtics

I live in Northern Cali and the trade rumors out here are being laughed at.  They can't believe the Warriors would trade for an older Ray Allen and give up a young all star talent like Ellis.

Everyone I've heard around these parts ( radio, etc.) said no way possible the warriors even consider this swap.

I'm a Celtic fan and although I don't want Ray gone, I'd have to pull the trigger if Ellis is coming back in that swap.  No brainer.  A kid that young and athletic for an older player with just a couple years let ?  Gotta pull that trigger

well GM work in misterious wayy

Ask Seattle fans if Ray Allen  was suposed to be tra ded for Wally great legs and the super Delonte ( who I am a closet fan )

For sure.  Everybody is different.  I'm just saying if we have the opportunity to land a young talent like Monte Ellis for Ray Allen, well, you gotta do it.  Ellis is still young and developing really.  Allen's on his last leg ( or should I say, ankles ).

[Edgar]

i have no desire to see ellis on the celtics

I live in Northern Cali and the trade rumors out here are being laughed at.  They can't believe the Warriors would trade for an older Ray Allen and give up a young all star talent like Ellis.

Everyone I've heard around these parts ( radio, etc.) said no way possible the warriors even consider this swap.

I'm a Celtic fan and although I don't want Ray gone, I'd have to pull the trigger if Ellis is coming back in that swap.  No brainer.  A kid that young and athletic for an older player with just a couple years let ?  Gotta pull that trigger

well GM work in misterious wayy

Ask Seattle fans if Ray Allen  was suposed to be tra ded for Wally great legs and the super Delonte ( who I am a closet fan )

For sure.  Everybody is different.  I'm just saying if we have the opportunity to land a young talent like Monte Ellis for Ray Allen, well, you gotta do it.  Ellis is still young and developing really.  Allen's on his last leg ( or should I say, ankles ).

absolutely

[PosImpos]

Here's an interesting one, an absolute blockbuster that actually could be argued for each side:

Golden State trades Ellis, Maggette

Gets Ray, Boston #1

Minnesota trades Al Jefferson

Gets Glen Davis and either Maggette/Ellis

Boston trades Ray, Baby, #1

Gets Jefferson, Ellis/Maggette


Boston is set for the next few years, regardless of which guy they get at the 2 spot.

Minnesota has been rumored to want to move Jefferson for a wing scorer. They do so, and get Baby out of the deal as a bonus.

Then Golden State really gets salary relief for the chance to build their Morrow/Curry/Randolph core with their own pick and a late first rounder from us.

If David Kahn did this he ought to be fired, tarred and feathered, and run out of time

[Fan from VT]

Here's an interesting one, an absolute blockbuster that actually could be argued for each side:

Golden State trades Ellis, Maggette

Gets Ray, Boston #1

Minnesota trades Al Jefferson

Gets Glen Davis and either Maggette/Ellis

Boston trades Ray, Baby, #1

Gets Jefferson, Ellis/Maggette


Boston is set for the next few years, regardless of which guy they get at the 2 spot.

Minnesota has been rumored to want to move Jefferson for a wing scorer. They do so, and get Baby out of the deal as a bonus.

Then Golden State really gets salary relief for the chance to build their Morrow/Curry/Randolph core with their own pick and a late first rounder from us.

If David Kahn did this he ought to be fired, tarred and feathered, and run out of time

What, say they have 2 guys playing the same position and trade the more expensive one for a scoring guard, which the team doesn't have and he's stated they need as well as getting a nice role playing PF/C?

[Jon]

Again, I really question trading for some of these underachieving players.  I know everyone wants to point to the fact that Ray, Paul, and KG never won anything until they came together, but when we look at Ellis and even more so when we look at Amare Stoudemire, we're looking at players who have had a good surrounding cast and still haven't really come close to sniffing a title. 

I mean think about how bad some of those Celtics teams that Pierce was on.  Other than Antoine, who could we say could unequivocally crack this teams healthy rotation right now?  Maybe Kenny Anderson. 

Same with Ray and KG.  Yes, they both only made it to the Coference Finals once, but KG did it with Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell, while Ray did it with Cassell and Glenn Robinson.  Good players, but hardly great players. 

With Stoudemire, as someone recently suggested, he's constantly had All Star quality players (Steve Nash, Grant Hill, Shaquille O'Neal, and Jason Richardson to name a few) around him and he's constantly been part of an underachieving Suns team.

With Ellis it's not quite as bad, but they have, on paper, some decent talent.  If that's the case, why does a team with a 26 ppg scorer and a good surrounding cast have such a bad record? 

It's either because the team is too young or the players overrated.  In either case, that type of player isn't going to help this team this year, which is all that really matters at this point. 

[Edgar]

Again, I really question trading for some of these underachieving players.  I know everyone wants to point to the fact that Ray, Paul, and KG never won anything until they came together, but when we look at Ellis and even more so when we look at Amare Stoudemire, we're looking at players who have had a good surrounding cast and still haven't really come close to sniffing a title. 

I mean think about how bad some of those Celtics teams that Pierce was on.  Other than Antoine, who could we say could unequivocally crack this teams healthy rotation right now?  Maybe Kenny Anderson. 

Same with Ray and KG.  Yes, they both only made it to the Coference Finals once, but KG did it with Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell, while Ray did it with Cassell and Glenn Robinson.  Good players, but hardly great players. 

With Stoudemire, as someone recently suggested, he's constantly had All Star quality players (Steve Nash, Grant Hill, Shaquille O'Neal, and Jason Richardson to name a few) around him and he's constantly been part of an underachieving Suns team.

With Ellis it's not quite as bad, but they have, on paper, some decent talent.  If that's the case, why does a team with a 26 ppg scorer and a good surrounding cast have such a bad record? 

It's either because the team is too young or the players overrated.  In either case, that type of player isn't going to help this team this year, which is all that really matters at this point. 

just like ray 

[Rondo_is_better]

no thanks

Why? Ray is old(Clutch) but still old. Plus if Danny AINGE plays like Danny FERRY, then Ray could be asked to be bought out just to return. That way we could have Ellis play the Ginobli role(6th man playing starter minutes)

Rondo,Ray,Pierce,KG,Perk
Ellis,Tony,Quis,Randolph,Sheed
House,Bell or Radman,Sheldon,Walker

What world are you living in? Somewhere where the other teams actively try to make the Celtics better?

[Celticsbloke]

Well if an Ellis-Allen trade is being offered, Ainge would have to be doing some serious thinking!

Making this trade is seriously risking the Celtics title hopes this season, but it could pay off big time down the track if Ellis can adapt his game to fit the Celtics.

In the end, I don't think I'd do it, purely because Ellis isn't a great fit alongside Rondo. For those two to co-exist effectively, Ellis would need to become a better three point shooter and learn to operate off the ball better.

I'd prefer the Celts keep Ray, but look at the possibility of prising Salmons or Hinrich from the Bulls for some of our expiring bench contracts.

With Deng and Thomas there, Salmons seems the odd man out. On the Celtics, he'd be perfect, because he can knock down the three, get to the basket and has better size than Marquis for defending bigger SF's. He also has a reasonable contract and I think the Bulls would let him go before they let Hinrich go. A second unit of Wallace, Davis, Salmons, House, Daniels could potentially be a nightmare to defend for other teams. 

Hinrich is another solid guy you could bring in to bolster the bench. He plays good D, can make the open three and takes care of backup PG duties, as well as spelling Ray at SG. However, he's only an okay shooter and his contract is a lot bigger than Salmons', requiring the Celtics to dump an extra contract on top of Scal/ TA (probably House) to make it work (and take back a Chicago scrub so they get back to 15 contracts). 

Of course, doing either deal means less money to resign Ray next season, but I think it would be worth it, because first of all you increase the teams chances of winning this season. Secondly, it puts the Celtics in a stronger bargaining position with Ray, because they can offer what they think he is worth in the knowledge that if he refuses, we have an adequate replacement.   

In the end, I reckon there is a good chance we could take on Salmons/Hinrich and still resign Ray for about $8 mill.     

[divo0oneh]

Unless Ray comes back i dont do this trade! why?

Ellis is a combo guard and a flat out scorer like Arenas, JR Smith

Hes not a clutch player and not much of a threat without the ball unless hes slashing in Nelson's system!

He'd be great giving Rondo/Allen a break and scoring off the bench but not a natural starter on a championship team because he wont be able to defend bigger SGs and is not a true PG! but he will give the C's the lift they're needing offensively and would benefit them in the long term when Allen/Pierce get older

Now the question is are Boston considering signing a big name in the summer? if not then it would be stupid to pass this up! cause this is in my opinion the last year with this current roster! so unless they're planning to sign some scorer this off season its a no brainer to pick-up Ellis for the future!