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What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?

0 - Jason White or Tommie Frasier. Your grandkid will say "Tim who?"
1 (1.6%)
1 - Eric Crouch. Not an NFL QB. Not an NFL player. Barely a CFL QB
6 (9.8%)
2 -  Tee Martin or Adrian McPherson or something. Drafted as a backup, but still doesn't make it
2 (3.3%)
3 - Todd Collins or maybe Danny Weurfeulish Career backup
1 (1.6%)
4 - Chris Simms or Rex Grossman or something. Will tease and make some starts, and show some potential but that's about it.
5 (8.2%)
5 - Brady Quinn. Not your biggest problem on the team, but not really a solution either. Nobody knows what to do with him.
2 (3.3%)
6 - Trent Ewardsish. - Will play and give you a chance to win, but that's about it.
3 (4.9%)
7 - Trent Dilfer or possibly Chad Pennington. - Will do some winning at times. May get to one Pro Bowl, but not one of the best of his era
8 (13.1%)
8 - Matt Ryan/Joe Flacco or Matt Hasselbeck/Aaron Rogersish or something. Good from day 1 or waits his turn and does well. Good enough to do winning and give hope for big things.
4 (6.6%)
9 - Drew Brees or Phillip Rivers. A very good QB in his era.
2 (3.3%)
10 - Manning, Brady, Montanaish
3 (4.9%)
Not Applicable. - Michael Robinson, Julian Edelmen, Brad Smithish
5 (8.2%)
Not in these categories. More like John Beck or Patrick Ramsey. Just a wasted high pick most likely.
1 (1.6%)
Collosal Bust ala Cade McNown, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf cause someone will draft him very high
3 (4.9%)
Doug Flutie. Break the rules. Change the game
15 (24.6%)

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Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #210 on: November 28, 2011, 10:25:55 AM »

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He is a guy you want on your team.  Just need to find him a position.


I still would not want him as my teams starting QB. 
Perhaps you don't like winning?

Would you rather have Eric Decker as your #1 WR? Me neither. Would you rather have John Fox as your coach? Me neither.



Yes, I would want John Fox as my coach.


He has been to the Super Bowl with Jake Delhomme as his starting QB.

Now, he has completely changed the offense to give his team the best chance to win with Tebow as the QB. 


In both cases, his defense was really good. 


I want to see how good his team could be if he had a good NFL QB. 
Fox also went with Kyle Orton.

There are a lot of horrid QBs in this league and Tebow isn't one of them.  I'd rather not have a lot of QBs in this league as my starter.

Sanchez
McCoy
Young
Flacco
Cassel
Campbell
Ponder
Hasselbeck (in the future)
T Jackson
Grossman/Beck
Eli Manning
Rothlisburger but not for talent reasons
Gabbert for now
Locker for now
Henne
Cutler until further notice

Not every team can have Brady

Manning and Big Ben?


I guess winning Super Bowls means little.  


I find Eli Manning to be a little more in the Brad Johnson/Jeff Hostetler Super Bowl winning mold.  I just don't find him elite at all. Not that I don't respect him. He's spanked the Pats twice now.

Ben is a guy I don't want to be in a room with let alone be my QB. It has nothing to do with talent.

Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #211 on: November 28, 2011, 10:30:54 AM »

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Tebow is the only QB in the (modern history of the) league that improves a defense by walking onto the field. 

Have you not seen the Colts with and without Manning?
That's a very good point, but I think that team is trying to suck for Luck.  Maybe the Lions and Stafford, but I think those guys play for Suh. Even the offense.

Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #212 on: November 28, 2011, 10:31:20 AM »

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He is a guy you want on your team.  Just need to find him a position.


I still would not want him as my teams starting QB.  
Perhaps you don't like winning?

Would you rather have Eric Decker as your #1 WR? Me neither. Would you rather have John Fox as your coach? Me neither.



Yes, I would want John Fox as my coach.


He has been to the Super Bowl with Jake Delhomme as his starting QB.

Now, he has completely changed the offense to give his team the best chance to win with Tebow as the QB.  


In both cases, his defense was really good.  


I want to see how good his team could be if he had a good NFL QB.  
Fox also went with Kyle Orton.

There are a lot of horrid QBs in this league and Tebow isn't one of them.  I'd rather not have a lot of QBs in this league as my starter.

Sanchez
McCoy
Young
Flacco
Cassel
Campbell
Ponder
Hasselbeck (in the future)
T Jackson
Grossman/Beck
Eli Manning
Rothlisburger but not for talent reasons
Gabbert for now
Locker for now
Henne
Cutler until further notice

Not every team can have Brady

Manning and Big Ben?


I guess winning Super Bowls means little.  



Yeah on that list Eli Manning and Roofiesberger are the top two guys who stand out. After that though Flacco and Cassel are both pretty solid players who have proven that they have the whole skillset necessary to succeed in the NFL at the QB position.

But then, what hasn't Tebow proven? Its funny, because at this point criticism has been relegated to, "Yeah, well, I'll believe he's for real when he.."

Dude beat two playoff staples in the Chargers and Jets (I know, neither team is as good this year as in years past, but the Jets are a playoff squad pretty renowned for their defense).

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Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #213 on: November 28, 2011, 10:33:41 AM »

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He is a guy you want on your team.  Just need to find him a position.


I still would not want him as my teams starting QB. 
Perhaps you don't like winning?

Would you rather have Eric Decker as your #1 WR? Me neither. Would you rather have John Fox as your coach? Me neither.



Yes, I would want John Fox as my coach.


He has been to the Super Bowl with Jake Delhomme as his starting QB.

Now, he has completely changed the offense to give his team the best chance to win with Tebow as the QB. 


In both cases, his defense was really good. 


I want to see how good his team could be if he had a good NFL QB. 
Fox also went with Kyle Orton.

There are a lot of horrid QBs in this league and Tebow isn't one of them.  I'd rather not have a lot of QBs in this league as my starter.

Sanchez
McCoy
Young
Flacco
Cassel
Campbell
Ponder
Hasselbeck (in the future)
T Jackson
Grossman/Beck
Eli Manning
Rothlisburger but not for talent reasons
Gabbert for now
Locker for now
Henne
Cutler until further notice

Not every team can have Brady

Manning and Big Ben?


I guess winning Super Bowls means little.  


I find Eli Manning to be a little more in the Brad Johnson/Jeff Hostetler Super Bowl winning mold.  I just don't find him elite at all. Not that I don't respect him. He's spanked the Pats twice now.

Ben is a guy I don't want to be in a room with let alone be my QB. It has nothing to do with talent.


Everything else say differently.  


I mean he beat the Patriots without his starting RB, his starting C and his best WR out by leading his team on two 4th quarter comebacks.  

He is leading his team to a 6-4 record without a rushing attack (offensive line is opening no holes) and with a defense that has been killed with injuries.  


And he is a Super Bowl MVP that doesn't miss games.



But lets replace him with a QB that completes less then 50% of his passes and his offense scores less then 20 points a game.  

Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #214 on: November 28, 2011, 10:37:44 AM »

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One guy who keeps winning who is sorta benefiting from all this in a under-the-radar way is Andy Dalton.

Notice Andy wasn't on the list.  Andy seems to be the real deal.  One thing that is just not good for a team is when you have a fine QB, but not a great one.  

Like McCoy. He's fine. But when the other three QBs in your division are Roth, Flacco, and Dalton, you're going to have to draft a Luck or a Matt Barkley or something and pray if you want to win.

If I were some other teams I might try to make some subtle calls about getting McCoy to my team as a back up. The guy was a 3rd rounder so he's not making money. How much would the Chiefs or Houston or something love to have him right about now?

I read a while ago QB is like the only position where going from bad to Ok makes such a huge difference. They used Sanchez and the Jets as the example. Sanchez stabilized the position and did some good things and suddenly with a good D they were a really good team. I don't think that can really work long term because there are plenty of OK QBs.  Now look at him. Buffalo has an OK QB too. And they got him off the scrap heap.  

Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #215 on: November 28, 2011, 10:38:18 AM »

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He is a guy you want on your team.  Just need to find him a position.


I still would not want him as my teams starting QB. 
Perhaps you don't like winning?

Would you rather have Eric Decker as your #1 WR? Me neither. Would you rather have John Fox as your coach? Me neither.



Yes, I would want John Fox as my coach.


He has been to the Super Bowl with Jake Delhomme as his starting QB.

Now, he has completely changed the offense to give his team the best chance to win with Tebow as the QB. 


In both cases, his defense was really good. 


I want to see how good his team could be if he had a good NFL QB. 
Fox also went with Kyle Orton.

There are a lot of horrid QBs in this league and Tebow isn't one of them.  I'd rather not have a lot of QBs in this league as my starter.

Sanchez
McCoy
Young
Flacco
Cassel
Campbell
Ponder
Hasselbeck (in the future)
T Jackson
Grossman/Beck
Eli Manning
Rothlisburger but not for talent reasons
Gabbert for now
Locker for now
Henne
Cutler until further notice

Not every team can have Brady

Manning and Big Ben?


I guess winning Super Bowls means little.  


I find Eli Manning to be a little more in the Brad Johnson/Jeff Hostetler Super Bowl winning mold.  I just don't find him elite at all. Not that I don't respect him. He's spanked the Pats twice now.

Ben is a guy I don't want to be in a room with let alone be my QB. It has nothing to do with talent.


Everything else say differently.  


I mean he beat the Patriots without his starting RB, his starting C and his best WR out by leading his team on two 4th quarter comebacks.  

He is leading his team to a 6-4 record without a rushing attack (offensive line is opening no holes) and with a defense that has been killed with injuries.  


And he is a Super Bowl MVP that doesn't miss games.



But lets replace him with a QB that completes less then 50% of his passes and his offense scores less then 20 points a game.  

If salary is taken into account I would take Tebow of Eli every day of the week
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Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #216 on: November 28, 2011, 10:40:10 AM »

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He is a guy you want on your team.  Just need to find him a position.


I still would not want him as my teams starting QB. 
Perhaps you don't like winning?

Would you rather have Eric Decker as your #1 WR? Me neither. Would you rather have John Fox as your coach? Me neither.



Yes, I would want John Fox as my coach.


He has been to the Super Bowl with Jake Delhomme as his starting QB.

Now, he has completely changed the offense to give his team the best chance to win with Tebow as the QB. 


In both cases, his defense was really good. 


I want to see how good his team could be if he had a good NFL QB. 
Fox also went with Kyle Orton.

There are a lot of horrid QBs in this league and Tebow isn't one of them.  I'd rather not have a lot of QBs in this league as my starter.

Sanchez
McCoy
Young
Flacco
Cassel
Campbell
Ponder
Hasselbeck (in the future)
T Jackson
Grossman/Beck
Eli Manning
Rothlisburger but not for talent reasons
Gabbert for now
Locker for now
Henne
Cutler until further notice

Not every team can have Brady

Manning and Big Ben?


I guess winning Super Bowls means little.  


I find Eli Manning to be a little more in the Brad Johnson/Jeff Hostetler Super Bowl winning mold.  I just don't find him elite at all. Not that I don't respect him. He's spanked the Pats twice now.

Ben is a guy I don't want to be in a room with let alone be my QB. It has nothing to do with talent.


Everything else say differently.  


I mean he beat the Patriots without his starting RB, his starting C and his best WR out by leading his team on two 4th quarter comebacks.  

He is leading his team to a 6-4 record without a rushing attack (offensive line is opening no holes) and with a defense that has been killed with injuries.  


And he is a Super Bowl MVP that doesn't miss games.



But lets replace him with a QB that completes less then 50% of his passes and his offense scores less then 20 points a game.  
You definitely have me doubting myself, but are you saying you'd rather have him over Cam Newton or Sam Bradford or Andrew Luck or Andy Dalton?  I'd have a hard time justifying that.  How about Matt Ryan (whose legend is dying a fast death)

Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #217 on: November 28, 2011, 10:41:14 AM »

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He is a guy you want on your team.  Just need to find him a position.


I still would not want him as my teams starting QB. 
Perhaps you don't like winning?

Would you rather have Eric Decker as your #1 WR? Me neither. Would you rather have John Fox as your coach? Me neither.



Yes, I would want John Fox as my coach.


He has been to the Super Bowl with Jake Delhomme as his starting QB.

Now, he has completely changed the offense to give his team the best chance to win with Tebow as the QB. 


In both cases, his defense was really good. 


I want to see how good his team could be if he had a good NFL QB. 
Fox also went with Kyle Orton.

There are a lot of horrid QBs in this league and Tebow isn't one of them.  I'd rather not have a lot of QBs in this league as my starter.

Sanchez
McCoy
Young
Flacco
Cassel
Campbell
Ponder
Hasselbeck (in the future)
T Jackson
Grossman/Beck
Eli Manning
Rothlisburger but not for talent reasons
Gabbert for now
Locker for now
Henne
Cutler until further notice

Not every team can have Brady

Manning and Big Ben?


I guess winning Super Bowls means little.  


I find Eli Manning to be a little more in the Brad Johnson/Jeff Hostetler Super Bowl winning mold.  I just don't find him elite at all. Not that I don't respect him. He's spanked the Pats twice now.

Ben is a guy I don't want to be in a room with let alone be my QB. It has nothing to do with talent.


Everything else say differently.  


I mean he beat the Patriots without his starting RB, his starting C and his best WR out by leading his team on two 4th quarter comebacks.  

He is leading his team to a 6-4 record without a rushing attack (offensive line is opening no holes) and with a defense that has been killed with injuries.  


And he is a Super Bowl MVP that doesn't miss games.



But lets replace him with a QB that completes less then 50% of his passes and his offense scores less then 20 points a game.  

If salary is taken into account I would take Tebow of Eli every day of the week
I have to think an Eli for Tebow trade would make both teams worse but I honestly think it would hurt Denver more.

Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #218 on: November 28, 2011, 10:54:09 AM »

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How about Matt Ryan (whose legend is dying a fast death)

don't know where the Matt Ryan hate is coming from.  he's had a really good season --  on track for 4,000 yards, over 60% completion, roughly 2:1 TD to interception ratio, on track for almost 30 touchdowns, QB rating around 90.  

can't ask for much more from your QB unless you have an MVP-caliber guy (and that list includes Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Peyton Manning and nobody else).


if you want to blame the Falcons' lack of success on anything I think it falls with their defense and inconsistent running game.  Ryan may not have turned into a top 5 QB (yet), but he's still very good.


would I rather have Tebow than Matt Ryan?  absolutely not.  if you want to talk about winning, Ryan led his team to 13 wins last season.  he's yet to win a playoff game, but Tebow's never been to the playoffs.
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Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #219 on: November 28, 2011, 12:04:26 PM »

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I want to know when all the Tebow lovers are finally going to concede that the only reason the Broncos are winning, and really it is THE only reason, is because over the last 4 games they have turned themselves into one of the better defensive units in the NFL.

Without holding teams to a below 50% rate in the Red Zone and without the interception return for a TD against New York, they could easily be 1-5 over the last 6 games. Tebow and the offense have only performed well once over the those 6 games.

Honestly, Tebow is a better running and worse passing version of Kordell Stewart. There are almost no QBs in the league I would want less running my team's offense than Tim Tebow because without a very good offensive line, a very good defense and a radically small offensive playbook, there's little chance of ultimately having a winning season.

Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
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I want to know when all the Tebow lovers are finally going to concede that the only reason the Broncos are winning, and really it is THE only reason, is because over the last 4 games they have turned themselves into one of the better defensive units in the NFL.

That's not true at all. The Broncos defense is the biggest part of why they're winning, but when players, coaches, opposing players, opposing coaches, and everyone this side of John Elway who has anything to do with actual games all concede Tebow has really inspired the team, I think its pretty ridiculous to say the defense is the only reason they're winning.


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Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #221 on: November 28, 2011, 12:45:53 PM »

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I want to know when all the Tebow lovers

Tim Tebow
9-18
7.4 yards per completion
0 turnovers
1 sack, 2 yards lost
22 rushes for 67 yards

Philip Rivers
19-36
4.1 yards per completion
0 turnovers
3 sacks, 29 yards lost
1 rush for 1 yard gained.

And by the way, I believe Kordell Stewart was the starting QB for the Pittsburgh Steelers for 5 years.  If all Tebow is is a version of Slash, that STILL makes him 100 times better than all the Tebow haters claim.

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Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
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He is a guy you want on your team.  Just need to find him a position.


I still would not want him as my teams starting QB. 
Perhaps you don't like winning?

Would you rather have Eric Decker as your #1 WR? Me neither. Would you rather have John Fox as your coach? Me neither.



Yes, I would want John Fox as my coach.


He has been to the Super Bowl with Jake Delhomme as his starting QB.

Now, he has completely changed the offense to give his team the best chance to win with Tebow as the QB. 


In both cases, his defense was really good. 


I want to see how good his team could be if he had a good NFL QB. 
Fox also went with Kyle Orton.

There are a lot of horrid QBs in this league and Tebow isn't one of them.  I'd rather not have a lot of QBs in this league as my starter.

Sanchez
McCoy
Young
Flacco
Cassel
Campbell
Ponder
Hasselbeck (in the future)
T Jackson
Grossman/Beck
Eli Manning
Rothlisburger but not for talent reasons
Gabbert for now
Locker for now
Henne
Cutler until further notice

Not every team can have Brady

Manning and Big Ben?


I guess winning Super Bowls means little.  


I find Eli Manning to be a little more in the Brad Johnson/Jeff Hostetler Super Bowl winning mold.  I just don't find him elite at all. Not that I don't respect him. He's spanked the Pats twice now.

Ben is a guy I don't want to be in a room with let alone be my QB. It has nothing to do with talent.


Everything else say differently.  


I mean he beat the Patriots without his starting RB, his starting C and his best WR out by leading his team on two 4th quarter comebacks.  

He is leading his team to a 6-4 record without a rushing attack (offensive line is opening no holes) and with a defense that has been killed with injuries.  


And he is a Super Bowl MVP that doesn't miss games.



But lets replace him with a QB that completes less then 50% of his passes and his offense scores less then 20 points a game.  
You definitely have me doubting myself, but are you saying you'd rather have him over Cam Newton or Sam Bradford or Andrew Luck or Andy Dalton?  I'd have a hard time justifying that.  How about Matt Ryan (whose legend is dying a fast death)

I would take all of them over Tebow right now. 


And you think Tebow had bad receivers, look at who Bradford had to throw to until Lloyd arrived.  (and lets be honest, last year was a fluke year for Lloyd)

Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #223 on: November 28, 2011, 02:02:43 PM »

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Cam Newton>Tim Tebow, not even close.

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Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #224 on: November 28, 2011, 02:14:20 PM »

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We need to start considering an appropriate wife for Tim Tebow so in 20 something years there can be a Super Tebow with an even greater hitch in his arm, who wins even more

*cough,  Emma Watson, cough**
Excellent. But we need more nominees, preferably not British.  I don't think Miley Cyrus would work out