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Re: Wednesday Tommy Point Trade Contest: Help the Kings!
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2010, 03:02:21 PM »

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Kings trade Martin, Thomas, and Nocioni
    Receives Bosh, Butler and Blatche

Wiz trade Butler and Blatche
    Recieves Thomas (last year) and Banks (at least he is not Blatche)

Raptors trade Bosh and Banks
    Receives Martin and Nocioni

Re: Wednesday Tommy Point Trade Contest: Help the Kings!
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2010, 03:02:31 PM »

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Im a huge Kings fan. Have been since the Webber/Divac/Peja days. Havent missed a game this season ( and its hard living on the EC) Celtics and Kings have been my two teams for a while now. Its nice to see other fans around the league start to take interest in them again.

A lot of whats being talked about on Sacramento fan sites has to do with Jefferson and Bosh, but since versions of those deals are already on here I'll post another one that has been on my mind the last few days.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Sacramento Trades
Andres Nocioni
Kenny Thomas

To the Knicksfor
Eddy Curry
Danillo Gallinari

Why it goes down
Obvious for New York. They get 8 million more dollars of cap space this off season because of Kenny Thomas expiring contract. Sacramento gets rid of Nocioni who is absolutely not in there long term plans. Recieves another nice young piece in Gallinari, and Pays Eddy Curry to sit his ass on the bench until they can trade his expiring contract the year after. Cap Space will mean more to the Kings then.. they might just be in the playoff hunt next season.


This doesnt really fix the log jam the kings have of swingmen because Gallo is basically another 3, but its another talented youngin added to the roster. The trade also works with Jordan Hill.

Re: Wednesday Tommy Point Trade Contest: Help the Kings!
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2010, 03:10:36 PM »

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The Kings shouldn't try to do too much too fast. Take it slowly and build.

Cap flexibility (Udrih, Garcia, Nocioni) are the best trades followed by young players who the team can use as a building block.

Veteran players are a dodgy target that vary widely depending on talent + age.

Helping or hurting, Who? Helping or hurting?

(kidding)


Here is another trade that I really liked, but not nec for this year:

Sacramento Trades: Kevin Martin
Minnesota Trades: Brian Cardinal (expiring), Sasha Pavlovic (expiring), 2010 Utah FRP (attained from Phila, Protected 1-17 2010, 1-16 2011, 1-13 2012), Rights to Ricky Rubio

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg3rwqd


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Re: Wednesday Tommy Point Trade Contest: Help the Kings!
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2010, 04:00:14 PM »

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Thunder sends Jeff Green, James Harden and Etan Thomas.

Sacto sends Kevin Martin, F. Garcia and their #1 draft pick...

Kings start:

Tyreke Evans
James Harden
Jeff Green
Nocioni
Hawes


Thunder use draft pick on Power Forward.



Re: Wednesday Tommy Point Trade Contest: Help the Kings!
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2010, 04:32:50 PM »

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Here's one:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg69xmx

A three-way deal between Sacto, Cleveland, and Philadelphia, combining several rumors that have been floating around for a while.

Sacto trades Kevin Martin, and expiring contracts of Kenny Thomas, Sean May, and Sergio Rodriguez
Sacto receives Andre Iguodala, Samuel Dalembert, and JJ Hickson

Cleveland trades Zydrunus Ilgauskas, JJ Hickson, 1st round pick
Cleveland receives Kevin Martin

Philadelphia trades Andre Iguodala and Samuel Dalembert
Philadelphia receives expiring contracts of Kenny Thomas, Sean May, Sergio Rodriguez, and Zydrunus Ilgauskas, plus Cleveland 1st rounder

Sacto moves forward next year with an athletic starting five of Evans, Garcia, Iguodala, Thompson, and Dalembert, with great young depth coming off the bench in Casspi, Hickson, Hawes, and Donte Greene, veteran leadership in Udrih and Nocioni, plus a talented rookie from their high lottery-pick finish this season.

They could also slot in Udrih to start in the backcourt along with Evans, moving Garcia to the bench as a supersub/6th man. And, if Hawes progresses, they can trade Dalembert's expiring contract next year.

This move takes up Sacto's cap space next year, which isn't a bad thing. It's not like free agents are going to flock to a small-market team like Sacramento.

If Philadelphia truly is willing to trade Iggy and Dalembert for McGrady, this trade achieves the same end, and gives them a late 1st rounder to boot.

Cleveland has been rumored to be interested in Martin, who would be a great shooting sidekick to Lebron, or a nice Plan B should Lebron bolt this offseason for big free-agent money.

Can i amend this one slightly.

Philadelphia also recieves a large tub of lubricant (getting screwed over severly clause)

Re: Wednesday Tommy Point Trade Contest: Help the Kings!
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2010, 04:36:24 PM »

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Im a huge Kings fan. Have been since the Webber/Divac/Peja days. Havent missed a game this season ( and its hard living on the EC) Celtics and Kings have been my two teams for a while now. Its nice to see other fans around the league start to take interest in them again.

A lot of whats being talked about on Sacramento fan sites has to do with Jefferson and Bosh, but since versions of those deals are already on here I'll post another one that has been on my mind the last few days.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Sacramento Trades
Andres Nocioni
Kenny Thomas

To the Knicksfor
Eddy Curry
Danillo Gallinari

Why it goes down
Obvious for New York. They get 8 million more dollars of cap space this off season because of Kenny Thomas expiring contract. Sacramento gets rid of Nocioni who is absolutely not in there long term plans. Recieves another nice young piece in Gallinari, and Pays Eddy Curry to sit his ass on the bench until they can trade his expiring contract the year after. Cap Space will mean more to the Kings then.. they might just be in the playoff hunt next season.


This doesnt really fix the log jam the kings have of swingmen because Gallo is basically another 3, but its another talented youngin added to the roster. The trade also works with Jordan Hill.


Nice.....IMO winning so far - and its not even close.

Re: Wednesday Tommy Point Trade Contest: Help the Kings!
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2010, 04:53:11 PM »

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Here is my try : http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yawbsco 

The Kings send Kevin Martin, Francesco Garcia and Jason Thompson to the Wolves.
The Kings receive Al Jefferson, Ramon Sessions and Nathan Jawai.

Sacramento gets rid of two guards with a lot of talent but who are not necessary on the current squad (since the Kings are winning without both of them), and get the inside presence they have desperately been looking for.

Additionnally, they use Sessions as a PG and move Evans to the SG position.

They now have a starting lineup of Sessions/Evans/Casspi/Hawes/Jefferson and a bench of Udrih, Greene, Jawai and Brockman.

Not a really good bench but their starting lineup is pretty good.

And we can assume that Minnesota would agree to the trade because desperately need scorers at the guard and wing position. And because Kahn is stupid anyway. :P

I had the same idea.....darn lunch break. Shoulda posted it earlier

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Re: Wednesday Tommy Point Trade Contest: Help the Kings!
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2010, 05:07:09 PM »

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Here's one:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg69xmx

A three-way deal between Sacto, Cleveland, and Philadelphia, combining several rumors that have been floating around for a while.

Sacto trades Kevin Martin, and expiring contracts of Kenny Thomas, Sean May, and Sergio Rodriguez
Sacto receives Andre Iguodala, Samuel Dalembert, and JJ Hickson

Cleveland trades Zydrunus Ilgauskas, JJ Hickson, 1st round pick
Cleveland receives Kevin Martin

Philadelphia trades Andre Iguodala and Samuel Dalembert
Philadelphia receives expiring contracts of Kenny Thomas, Sean May, Sergio Rodriguez, and Zydrunus Ilgauskas, plus Cleveland 1st rounder

Sacto moves forward next year with an athletic starting five of Evans, Garcia, Iguodala, Thompson, and Dalembert, with great young depth coming off the bench in Casspi, Hickson, Hawes, and Donte Greene, veteran leadership in Udrih and Nocioni, plus a talented rookie from their high lottery-pick finish this season.

They could also slot in Udrih to start in the backcourt along with Evans, moving Garcia to the bench as a supersub/6th man. And, if Hawes progresses, they can trade Dalembert's expiring contract next year.

This move takes up Sacto's cap space next year, which isn't a bad thing. It's not like free agents are going to flock to a small-market team like Sacramento.

If Philadelphia truly is willing to trade Iggy and Dalembert for McGrady, this trade achieves the same end, and gives them a late 1st rounder to boot.

Cleveland has been rumored to be interested in Martin, who would be a great shooting sidekick to Lebron, or a nice Plan B should Lebron bolt this offseason for big free-agent money.

Can i amend this one slightly.

Philadelphia also recieves a large tub of lubricant (getting screwed over severly clause)

Hey, I'm just going off the McGrady rumors. If that has legs, then this one is just as plausible.
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Re: Wednesday Tommy Point Trade Contest: Help the Kings!
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2010, 05:32:02 PM »

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Trade a 2016 second round pick and cash for Hilton Armstrong --- NOT!!

Sorry, simple deal:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh3b8ew

Josh Howard and Jason Terry for Kevin Martin and Nocioni.

SAC needs a 1 who can shoot to play across from the ball handling 2 in Evans. Done. They get a legit 3 in Howard to join them (one who likes the northern California kind). Done. Udrih starts and Terry plays heavy minutes off the bench. Garcia backs up the 2/3 off the bench.

Dallas gets a great young two in Martin, and agrees to take on a solid vet in Noce to get him. He backs up Marion and Dirk.
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Re: Wednesday Tommy Point Trade Contest: Help the Kings!
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2010, 05:40:25 PM »

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Trade a 2016 second round pick and cash for Hilton Armstrong --- NOT!!

Sorry, simple deal:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh3b8ew

Josh Howard and Jason Terry for Kevin Martin and Nocioni.

SAC needs a 1 who can shoot to play across from the ball handling 2 in Evans. Done. They get a legit 3 in Howard to join them (one who likes the northern California kind). Done. Udrih starts and Terry plays heavy minutes off the bench. Garcia backs up the 2/3 off the bench.

Dallas gets a great young two in Martin, and agrees to take on a solid vet in Noce to get him. He backs up Marion and Dirk.
I don't like that trade because I don't think Terry has enough in the tank to be all that good once Evans is ready.

Re: Wednesday Tommy Point Trade Contest: Help the Kings!
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2010, 05:40:47 PM »

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Here's my first try:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykvblke

Sacramento Kings -

Outgoing:
Jason Thompson, PF/C
Kevin Martin, SG
Kenny Thomas, PF
Donte Greene, SF
Sean May, PF

Incoming:
Carlos Boozer, PF
Samuel Dalembert, C
Ronnie Brewer, SG
Rodney Carney, SF

Why for the Kings:

- They give up a young athletic PF prospect (Thompson) and a prolific scoring SG (Martin) and receive a post threat with an expiring contract (Boozer) and a long, athletic, defensive SG who can also play SF (Brewer).
- They give up a 6'11'' SG/SF with a good jumper and stopper potential (Greene) and two expiring contracts (Thomas and May), and receive an athletic shot-blocking, rebounding center (Dalembert), and an athletic, shot blocking SF (Carney).
- Financially, the Kings give up one large expiring contract (Thomas) and receive $14 in expirings back (Boozer + Brewer) who they can let walk or resign (I'd try to resign them).  They also get future flexibility by trading Martin, whose contract lasts for another 4 years.  Thompson's $2 million contract also lasts another couple years.  
- They give up $12 in salary for $12 of Dalembert.  This cuts into their cap space next summer, but they aren't a hot free agent destination anyway.  
- If they can hold onto Boozer, I think Dalembert complements his game nicely.  Boozer is great in the post and has a good midrange shot, but isn't a shot-blocker and struggles defensively.  Dalembert isn't great on offense (mostly put-backs) but is a good rebounder and shot-blocker.
- Brewer and Carney give the Kings something they don't really have at the moment: defensive stoppers.  Both players have the potential to be lock down defenders, and Brewer especially is a steal-master.  I think this trade improves the Kings defensively all around.  Dalembert and Brewer especially are huge defensive upgrades over Hawes and Martin.


Utah Jazz -

Outgoing:
Carlos Boozer, PF
Ronnie Brewer, SG
Kyle Korver, SG

Incoming:
Jason Thompson, PF/C
Kevin Martin, SG
Willie Green, SG

Why for the Jazz:
- They get rid of Boozer, who probably isn't going to resign there anyway.  In return they get Thompson, who has a lot of potential.  Acquiring Thompson allows them to play a much more athletic front court of Millsap and Thompson (as opposed to Boozer and Okur) if they choose.  They also get to play Millsap more.  
- Of course, the main reason they trade Boozer is to get Martin, who gives them a wing scorer, which they could really use.  Martin is one of the best scorers in the league, and would probably work well alongside Deron Williams.
- They trade away Kyle Korver's $5 million expiring contract for Willie Green's 3.6 million 2 year contract.  This saves them money in the short term, though costs them some in the long term.  They're desperate to get under the luxury tax asap, though, so it works out for them.  Willie Green is a decent player, too, and doesn't have Korver's injury issues.
- Overall, the Jazz send out around $20 million in contracts and take back just over $15 million.  That's their primary incentive for this trade; that they also get some prime talent in return (Martin, Thompson) is simply icing.


Philadelphia 76ers -

Outgoing:
Samuel Dalembert, C
Willie Green, SG
Rodney Carney, SF

Incoming:
Kyle Korver, SG
Donte Greene, SF
Sean May, PF
Kenny Thomas, PF

Why for the Sixers:
- First and foremost, this trade gives them something they don't currently have: decent shooters.  Korver and Greene can both shoot, and that should help out the Sixers some.  They won't need to play Kapono (sieve on defense) just to get a guy out there who can shoot a 3.
- The Sixers get out of paying Dalembert $12 million next year and get close to $15 million in expiring contracts.  This makes up for the fact that they don't get a whole lot of talent back.
- This trade allows them to play Brand at center, giving Mareese Speights a lot more playing time.  Also opens things up a bit for Thaddeus Young.



This trade should improve the Kings quite a lot, in my opinion.

Tyreke Evans - PG
Ronnie Brewer - SG
Omri Casspi - SF
Carlos Boozer - PF
Samuel Dalembert - C
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Francisco Garcia - SG
Andres Nocioni - SF / PF
Spencer Hawes - C / PF
Beno Udrih - PG
Jon Brockman - PF
Ime Udoka - SF / SG

That's a solid starting lineup, though a bit limited in terms of shooting ability - they can mix and match with the bench to fix that though.  The bench is pretty deep and pretty decent, I think.

I think the main hangup with this trade is that the Kings are taking back a lot of money - almost $4 million more than they have outgoing.  They get a lot of talent in return, though (you did say the goal was to make them better).  They also get a lot of money in expiring contracts if they want to let Boozer and Brewer walk in the off-season.

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Re: Wednesday Tommy Point Trade Contest: Help the Kings!
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2010, 05:47:24 PM »

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Trade a 2016 second round pick and cash for Hilton Armstrong --- NOT!!

Sorry, simple deal:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh3b8ew

Josh Howard and Jason Terry for Kevin Martin and Nocioni.

SAC needs a 1 who can shoot to play across from the ball handling 2 in Evans. Done. They get a legit 3 in Howard to join them (one who likes the northern California kind). Done. Udrih starts and Terry plays heavy minutes off the bench. Garcia backs up the 2/3 off the bench.

Dallas gets a great young two in Martin, and agrees to take on a solid vet in Noce to get him. He backs up Marion and Dirk.
I don't like that trade because I don't think Terry has enough in the tank to be all that good once Evans is ready.

ready? he sure looks ready to me. the kings need to spark their fan base -- they need to win ball games. they took evans in part due to his ability to step in and play right away. no time like the present.
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Re: Wednesday Tommy Point Trade Contest: Help the Kings!
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2010, 06:00:36 PM »

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How about

Sacramento sends:
Kevin martin
Nocioni
Jason Thompson
1st Round Draft Pick

New Orleans sends:
Chris Paul
David West

For Sacramento, you put two great players into the lineup, making a playoff caliber team.

For NE, Paul's wanted to leave the struggling franchise, and from the looks of it they're pretty much going nowhere. Might as well start fresh with a young all star caliber 2, and a fast developing 4/5 who could help in the future. Nocioni will help too.
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Re: Wednesday Tommy Point Trade Contest: Help the Kings!
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2010, 06:46:22 PM »

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Great, cool ideas so far. I will give ppl until 7pm to enter before locking the thread to construct the poll.

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Re: Wednesday Tommy Point Trade Contest: Help the Kings!
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2010, 07:21:10 PM »

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Locking it, look for Poll tomorrow!

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