Big AL on the trading block ?

[guava_wrench]

i've been reading this thread and imo, you people are lunatics with green glasses so   concrete you can't see the bigger picture. perk and bbd for big al? i'd do that in a heartbeat. then there are talks about people not willing to trade perk for d-howard. are you serious? a role player for a superstar?

of course the other teams involved would probably never do these deals but if i were gm i would pull the trigger without second thought.

If you had read my whole post you'd know that I prefaced it by saying it had "nothing to do with his game" and that I said my reason for not wanting Howard was an "irrational dislike" for the guy, and that I couldn't discuss it objectively for that reason.

Please, if you're going to call people names like "lunatics", (which is a bit outside what's accepted here), you might want to base it on something more substantive than an irrational dislike for a player. We all have our favorites, and we all have those we dislike for whatever reason ... Howard is one of those for me.

But please do NOT confuse that with my saying I think he's a lousy baller, or that Perk is better, or even that Perk is of equal value in a trade ... because I never said or even implied any such thing, nor would I. I don't like the guy, I don't want him in green, but it has nothing to do with his basketball skills. I hope it's a bit clearer this time.

Here's the post you referred to:

No ... but it has nothing to do with his game, I just completely dislike the guy and his arrogance, so don't ask me to get into an objective discussion about it. Everyone has a few players who they just dislike for what may be irrational reasons ... he's on that list for me, along with Kobe, LeBron, and CP3, (among others). 
 

Arrogance is a silly reason due to this fact: the Celtics have equally arrogant players that you are able to like.

Rondo is as arrogant as anyone in the NBA, but since he is a Celtic, star haters give him a pass. The same would be true if we traded for Howard. He would get that same free pass.

The need that some have to dislike opponents and to make up reasons for this dislike is easily switched around once a trade goes through.

[Kiorrik]

Arrogance is a silly reason due to this fact: the Celtics have equally arrogant players that you are able to like.

Rondo is as arrogant as anyone in the NBA, but since he is a Celtic, star haters give him a pass. The same would be true if we traded for Howard. He would get that same free pass.

The need that some have to dislike opponents and to make up reasons for this dislike is easily switched around once a trade goes through.

True, but that doesn't make his current hate any less

[Bahku]

i've been reading this thread and imo, you people are lunatics with green glasses so   concrete you can't see the bigger picture. perk and bbd for big al? i'd do that in a heartbeat. then there are talks about people not willing to trade perk for d-howard. are you serious? a role player for a superstar?

of course the other teams involved would probably never do these deals but if i were gm i would pull the trigger without second thought.

If you had read my whole post you'd know that I prefaced it by saying it had "nothing to do with his game" and that I said my reason for not wanting Howard was an "irrational dislike" for the guy, and that I couldn't discuss it objectively for that reason.

Please, if you're going to call people names like "lunatics", (which is a bit outside what's accepted here), you might want to base it on something more substantive than an irrational dislike for a player. We all have our favorites, and we all have those we dislike for whatever reason ... Howard is one of those for me.

But please do NOT confuse that with my saying I think he's a lousy baller, or that Perk is better, or even that Perk is of equal value in a trade ... because I never said or even implied any such thing, nor would I. I don't like the guy, I don't want him in green, but it has nothing to do with his basketball skills. I hope it's a bit clearer this time.

Here's the post you referred to:

No ... but it has nothing to do with his game, I just completely dislike the guy and his arrogance, so don't ask me to get into an objective discussion about it. Everyone has a few players who they just dislike for what may be irrational reasons ... he's on that list for me, along with Kobe, LeBron, and CP3, (among others). 
 

Arrogance is a silly reason due to this fact: the Celtics have equally arrogant players that you are able to like.

Rondo is as arrogant as anyone in the NBA, but since he is a Celtic, star haters give him a pass. The same would be true if we traded for Howard. He would get that same free pass.

The need that some have to dislike opponents and to make up reasons for this dislike is easily switched around once a trade goes through.

I dislike the guy, it's irrational, as I CLEARLY STATED ... that's my opinion and my right ... I don't want him here, dressed in green. EVERYONE has players they don't want to see on the Celtics ... he's one of those for me. It's absolutely amazing to me that I can preface my post by saying "Please don't ask me to have an objective discussion about it because it's irrational dislike" and yet people still make an issue of it and still want to have an objective discussion! 

[Kiorrik]

Is that aggravation showing there?

True though, ya clearly stated it's irrational

[Bahku]

Is that aggravation showing there?

True though, ya clearly stated it's irrational

Funny, though ... I knew as soon as I said something against "Superman" that people would run with it ... preface or not.

[Kiorrik]

Is that aggravation showing there?

True though, ya clearly stated it's irrational

Funny, though ... I knew as soon as I said something against "Superman" that people would run with it ... preface or not.

It happens :] Human nature to skim texts, read the words they know well.

It's silly, but it's true Can't blame them, unfortunately.

[Bahku]

Is that aggravation showing there?

True though, ya clearly stated it's irrational

Funny, though ... I knew as soon as I said something against "Superman" that people would run with it ... preface or not.

It happens :] Human nature to skim texts, read the words they know well.

It's silly, but it's true Can't blame them, unfortunately.

That's fer sher, Bud.

[Overrated]

I love Big Al and hated that he had to leave in the KG deal, but I can't see a trade happening with Boston. I don't think "we" have the right players to make a trade that Kahn can't refuse, and still have the trade be in Boston's favor. Minnesota's not gonna take bench players for Al. I won't keep my hopes up, but I'll certainly welcome him back.

[pearljammer10]

There's no way i trade Perk for Big Al. Perk gives this team so much. Big Al is very talented, yes, and he can really score the ball. But Perkins is a phenomonal defender and is really coming in to his own. Plus Big Al has been known to get stuck with the injury bug. I take Perk.

[kenmaine]

Well, I'm another one with green glasses on I guess, because I just wouldn't trade Perk, period. There are very few centers that play his level of defense, and he can shut down the overrated (not that he isn't very good) Dwight Howard, who's going to be in our way for a few more years. And I agree with Bahku- Perk's improvement in the past few years has been incredible. I mean, he really did suck his first couple of years- thank goodness Danny and Doc didn't give up on him.

But I do love Big Al, and would love to see him back here if there were a way to get him without giving up any of the starting five. Even if he doesn't end up here, I hope he gets to play for a good team sometime during his career.
Then again, why on earth should I care if a multimillionare athlete has to play for a bad team?

[Donoghus]

I'd trade Perk if the price was right but (in a vaccum b/c I know that Minn would almost certainly not do this) I just feel that acquiring Big Al creates an unnecessary liability on the defensive end.  Looking at the teams that we're most likely to match up with in the playoffs, you're going to need a big, strong, effective, physical type at the center position.  There are not too many true centers in the game anymore but the Celtics will be seeing a few teams with them down the road and having Perk is an asset.  Big Al won't do that for us.

Offensively, we'd be getting one of the best best back to his basket scorers in the league but, as we know all too well, he's fragile.  Also, what do you do from a rotation standpoing?  Start KG & Big Al.  Plug one at center and hope for the best?  I don't like that combo together.  Wallace is clearly a step slower thse days so I don't really expect him to play extended minutes effectively in the paint as a center.  You're not going to have KG come off the bench and I don't think anyone wants to see him defending some of the true centers of the league.

I just think for this particular team, acquiring Big Al at the cost of Perk and filler is a step backwards.

[BASS_THUMPER]

Well, I'm another one with green glasses on I guess, because I just wouldn't trade Perk, period. There are very few centers that play his level of defense, and he can shut down the overrated (not that he isn't very good) Dwight Howard, who's going to be in our way for a few more years. And I agree with Bahku- Perk's improvement in the past few years has been incredible. I mean, he really did suck his first couple of years- thank goodness Danny and Doc didn't give up on him.

i wonder what would have gerald green be if we didnt give up on him?..i guess if u gotta big man ya keep him..no matter his skill level and shooting g's are a dime a dozen

[Fafnir]

Well, I'm another one with green glasses on I guess, because I just wouldn't trade Perk, period. There are very few centers that play his level of defense, and he can shut down the overrated (not that he isn't very good) Dwight Howard, who's going to be in our way for a few more years. And I agree with Bahku- Perk's improvement in the past few years has been incredible. I mean, he really did suck his first couple of years- thank goodness Danny and Doc didn't give up on him.

i wonder what would have gerald green be if we didnt give up on him?..i guess if u gotta big man ya keep him..no matter his skill level and shooting g's are a dime a dozen

Green had a shot in Dallas, he got major minutes for an extended period and just couldn't hack it. He just wasn't a NBA in the end.

[zerophase]

i've been reading this thread and imo, you people are lunatics with green glasses so   concrete you can't see the bigger picture. perk and bbd for big al? i'd do that in a heartbeat. then there are talks about people not willing to trade perk for d-howard. are you serious? a role player for a superstar?

of course the other teams involved would probably never do these deals but if i were gm i would pull the trigger without second thought.

If you had read my whole post you'd know that I prefaced it by saying it had "nothing to do with his game" and that I said my reason for not wanting Howard was an "irrational dislike" for the guy, and that I couldn't discuss it objectively for that reason.

Please, if you're going to call people names like "lunatics", (which is a bit outside what's accepted here), you might want to base it on something more substantive than an irrational dislike for a player. We all have our favorites, and we all have those we dislike for whatever reason ... Howard is one of those for me.

But please do NOT confuse that with my saying I think he's a lousy baller, or that Perk is better, or even that Perk is of equal value in a trade ... because I never said or even implied any such thing, nor would I. I don't like the guy, I don't want him in green, but it has nothing to do with his basketball skills. I hope it's a bit clearer this time.

Here's the post you referred to:

No ... but it has nothing to do with his game, I just completely dislike the guy and his arrogance, so don't ask me to get into an objective discussion about it. Everyone has a few players who they just dislike for what may be irrational reasons ... he's on that list for me, along with Kobe, LeBron, and CP3, (among others). 
 

Arrogance is a silly reason due to this fact: the Celtics have equally arrogant players that you are able to like.

Rondo is as arrogant as anyone in the NBA, but since he is a Celtic, star haters give him a pass. The same would be true if we traded for Howard. He would get that same free pass.

The need that some have to dislike opponents and to make up reasons for this dislike is easily switched around once a trade goes through.

I dislike the guy, it's irrational, as I CLEARLY STATED ... that's my opinion and my right ... I don't want him here, dressed in green. EVERYONE has players they don't want to see on the Celtics ... he's one of those for me. It's absolutely amazing to me that I can preface my post by saying "Please don't ask me to have an objective discussion about it because it's irrational dislike" and yet people still make an issue of it and still want to have an objective discussion! 

The point of trades is to make your team better. While chemistry is an issue, who would not agree that this team would be better with Howard as our starting center? Therefore supporting my argument that you would be crazy if you were offered that trade and didn't take it. I'm sure if Howard was already a Celtic, you would have no problem coping with his "arrogance." As stated above, the Celtics have some of the most arrogant players in the league on their roster.

[Kiorrik]

The point of trades is to make your team better. While chemistry is an issue, who would not agree that this team would be better with Howard as our starting center? Therefore supporting my argument that you would be crazy if you were offered that trade and didn't take it. I'm sure if Howard was already a Celtic, you would have no problem coping with his "arrogance." As stated above, the Celtics have some of the most arrogant players in the league on their roster.

He's telling you: he is personally emotionally attached to our guys, and hates some other guy. That is why he doesn't want to trade. It has nothing to do with being crazy, it's all about emotions.

Emotions aren't rational. You can't rationalize emotions by saying "oh, you'll fall in love with this person too!". Doesn't work like that.

Besides, hanging a green jersey over someones shoulders doesn't instantly make us like them.

You can't put your wifes clothes on someone else and say "oh, but you'll like this one just as much!"