Big AL on the trading block ?

[Kiorrik]

Nah ... I don't think Greenland has "teams" period. But funny enough, Tim Duncan is from St. Croix ... I lived there for a year of internship, and he was growing up about a half-mile from where I lived. (He's a native Cruzan, mahn!)

Que music: it's a small world.

[Redz]

Trade KG back for Big A?.  Let KG finish his career in Minnesota a la Iverson?.

Thanks and buh bye.

[rondohondo]

Trade KG back for Big A?.  Let KG finish his career in Minnesota a la Iverson?.

Thanks and buh bye.

KG, BBD and future 1st

[Bahku]

Trade KG back for Big A?.  Let KG finish his career in Minnesota a la Iverson?.

Thanks and buh bye.

Yeah ... KG, Ray and Paul must retire as Celtics, period.

[Kiorrik]

Trade KG back for Big A?.  Let KG finish his career in Minnesota a la Iverson?.

Thanks and buh bye.

Yeah ... KG, Ray and Paul must retire as Celtics, period.

My mind has been read.

[rondohondo]

Trade KG back for Big A?.  Let KG finish his career in Minnesota a la Iverson?.

Thanks and buh bye.

Yeah ... KG, Ray and Paul must retire as Celtics, period.

My mind has been read.

Didn't Danny say that he would have broke up the big 3 in the 80's if it was up to him? Like Bird in the 80's KG is starting to break down from all those mins played. If we don't win the championship this year , I could absolutely see Danny trading KG or Ray to a contender for younger players or picks and cap space.

[Kiorrik]

Trade KG back for Big A?.  Let KG finish his career in Minnesota a la Iverson?.

Thanks and buh bye.

Yeah ... KG, Ray and Paul must retire as Celtics, period.

My mind has been read.

Didn't Danny say that he would have broke up the big 3 in the 80's if it was up to him? Like Bird in the 80's KG is starting to break down from all those mins played. If we don't win the championship this year , I could absolutely see Danny trading KG or Ray to a contender for younger players or picks and cap space.

Yip, well, it's Danny's job to not listen to us fanboys

[Jon]

Ain't happening.  The Wolves would be fools to trade Big Al.  7-footers with post moves like Al are very hard to come by.  In my opinion, if anyone has to go, it's Love.  His skillset is more replaceable. 

Still, I think it's all garbage.  The notion that you really need a pure center and a pure power forward is a bunch of crap.  I mean what exactly does either term even mean?  Is a pure power forward more of a banger and a pure center have better post moves?  If that's the case, Love is a pure power forward and Jefferson is a pure center.  Plus, history is littered with variations from that.  By that definition, Cowens would've been a power forward and McHale a center. Similarly, KG would be a center and Perk a power forward.   

Ultimately what you need is two talented big men who can play some defense.  What you call them is really insignificant. 

I don't see them trading him. 

[zerophase]

i've been reading this thread and imo, you people are lunatics with green glasses so   concrete you can't see the bigger picture. perk and bbd for big al? i'd do that in a heartbeat. then there are talks about people not willing to trade perk for d-howard. are you serious? a role player for a superstar?

of course the other teams involved would probably never do these deals but if i were gm i would pull the trigger without second thought.

[rondohondo]

i've been reading this thread and imo, you people are lunatics with green glasses so   concrete you can't see the bigger picture. perk and bbd for big al? i'd do that in a heartbeat. then there are talks about people not willing to trade perk for d-howard. are you serious? a role player for a superstar?

of course the other teams involved would probably never do these deals but if i were gm i would pull the trigger without second thought.

Yea like I said before , we would likely have to get a 3rd team involved, something like this....

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjfo9u4

[Jon]

i've been reading this thread and imo, you people are lunatics with green glasses so   concrete you can't see the bigger picture. perk and bbd for big al? i'd do that in a heartbeat. then there are talks about people not willing to trade perk for d-howard. are you serious? a role player for a superstar?

of course the other teams involved would probably never do these deals but if i were gm i would pull the trigger without second thought.

Well, I said that Minny wouldn't do it.  Still, I'm not sure I'd be overly eager to do it the other way.  If this team was as good as the Walker/Pierce Celtics, I'd trade players the caliber of Perk and BBD in a heartbeat for Big Al.  However, now that we clearly have a team who can win a title with what we have, the decision becomes trickier. 

For all his blocked shots, Big Al is not a good team defender.  Can he pick up the schemes here quick enough and change his ways enough to keep the Celtics an elite defensive team this year?  Because with this team's short window, the notion that the trade will pay off in a year or two doesn't mean much. 

Still, it isn't happening. 

[rondohondo]

i've been reading this thread and imo, you people are lunatics with green glasses so   concrete you can't see the bigger picture. perk and bbd for big al? i'd do that in a heartbeat. then there are talks about people not willing to trade perk for d-howard. are you serious? a role player for a superstar?

of course the other teams involved would probably never do these deals but if i were gm i would pull the trigger without second thought.

Well, I said that Minny wouldn't do it.  Still, I'm not sure I'd be overly eager to do it the other way.  If this team was as good as the Walker/Pierce Celtics, I'd trade players the caliber of Perk and BBD in a heartbeat for Big Al.  However, now that we clearly have a team who can win a title with what we have, the decision becomes trickier. 

For all his blocked shots, Big Al is not a good team defender.  Can he pick up the schemes here quick enough and change his ways enough to keep the Celtics an elite defensive team this year?  Because with this team's short window, the notion that the trade will pay off in a year or two doesn't mean much. 

Still, it isn't happening. 

Marc Stein said they aren't doing it this year anyways, he said they are wait til the off season to possibly trade Big AL. I wouldn't trade Perk this season either because this might be the C's last legit chance to win a title. However, if KG struggles the rest of the season with injuries and we don't win the championship I would absolutely pull the trigger on a centered around a package Perk + BBD. It would be to much to ask of Big AL to pick up the team D in 2 months if he was traded for this year.

[Bahku]

i've been reading this thread and imo, you people are lunatics with green glasses so   concrete you can't see the bigger picture. perk and bbd for big al? i'd do that in a heartbeat. then there are talks about people not willing to trade perk for d-howard. are you serious? a role player for a superstar?

of course the other teams involved would probably never do these deals but if i were gm i would pull the trigger without second thought.

If you had read my whole post you'd know that I prefaced it by saying it had "nothing to do with his game" and that I said my reason for not wanting Howard was an "irrational dislike" for the guy, and that I couldn't discuss it objectively for that reason.

Please, if you're going to call people names like "lunatics", (which is a bit outside what's accepted here), you might want to base it on something more substantive than an irrational dislike for a player. We all have our favorites, and we all have those we dislike for whatever reason ... Howard is one of those for me.

But please do NOT confuse that with my saying I think he's a lousy baller, or that Perk is better, or even that Perk is of equal value in a trade ... because I never said or even implied any such thing, nor would I. I don't like the guy, I don't want him in green, but it has nothing to do with his basketball skills. I hope it's a bit clearer this time.

Here's the post you referred to:

No ... but it has nothing to do with his game, I just completely dislike the guy and his arrogance, so don't ask me to get into an objective discussion about it. Everyone has a few players who they just dislike for what may be irrational reasons ... he's on that list for me, along with Kobe, LeBron, and CP3, (among others). 
 

[Kiorrik]

i've been reading this thread and imo, you people are lunatics with green glasses so   concrete you can't see the bigger picture. perk and bbd for big al? i'd do that in a heartbeat. then there are talks about people not willing to trade perk for d-howard. are you serious? a role player for a superstar?

of course the other teams involved would probably never do these deals but if i were gm i would pull the trigger without second thought.

What Bahku said is kind of true.

Watch what you're saying m8, the word "lunatic" won't fall well with everyone.

Like I said:

There's not a doubt in my mind that a large part of it is because I'm in love with our current roster, and am definitely looking through a pair of green glasses...

etc.

But erm, yeh, I'm raving mad.

[MBz]

What Minnesota should be doing is firing Rambis and getting a coach that can coach to the players he has.  The triangle offense with Flynn is just flat out stupid.  You have a lightning quick PG, let him run!