Marquis out Tuesday, Tony in?

[Drucci]

Agreed with JBCat. I'm usually a TA basher but yesterday he was just fine. Scalabrine and House hurt us a lot more than he did, and his turnovers weren't really his fault. Plus, he looked to create instead of going for his own points and it paid only one time (with Ray's 3). The missed free throws were disappointing but I thought that TA took great decisions but didn't execute well. It's OK for his first game back of an injury... especially when his decision making is usually questionable.

With that said, Marquis' absence will hurt us, and he is expected to miss the whole week so I hope he is OK.

[2short]

i vote for giving tony a month or so before coming up with he's to prone, out of control , can't hit the outside j
if drinking green kool aid let me say that with this current team tony might excel
his job isn't to take over for posey or pierce or be the #1 scorer for 2nd unit, he needs to go in and concentrate on playing GREAT defense, shutting down a scorer...maybe 
as for marquis missing the game,  he is the glue that holds the 2nd unit together
i would have given hudson some pt with eddie shooting rocks and jennings so fast

[thirstyboots18]

Hope you heal quickly, Marquis.  Hurry back.

[Roy Hobbs]

Tony had one of his patented nights tonight:

2 turnovers, 2 fouls, and the Celts were outscored by 8 in the 6 minutes Tony was in there.

Good stuff out of you, Tony.  Keep up the good work.

TP because I was going to put up the same stats.

He is so pathetic. I just don't see how Tony Allen fans can still hang onto the deluded notion that he is worthy of not only playing time, but an extensive role on this team.

Mind boggling to me. He really is the exact same player that came out of Oklahoma State 6 years ago only without the unbelievable athleticism that allowed him to overcome the boneheadedness of his game.

Wow.  This is Tony's first game after not playing a gazillion games.  Give the guy some time to get his legs under him.

We've been giving the guy six years.

[Bankshot]

Tony had one of his patented nights tonight:

2 turnovers, 2 fouls, and the Celts were outscored by 8 in the 6 minutes Tony was in there.

Good stuff out of you, Tony.  Keep up the good work.

TP because I was going to put up the same stats.

He is so pathetic. I just don't see how Tony Allen fans can still hang onto the deluded notion that he is worthy of not only playing time, but an extensive role on this team.

Mind boggling to me. He really is the exact same player that came out of Oklahoma State 6 years ago only without the unbelievable athleticism that allowed him to overcome the boneheadedness of his game.

Wow.  This is Tony's first game after not playing a gazillion games.  Give the guy some time to get his legs under him.

We've been giving the guy six years.

I know, but it's still unfair to judge after not playing for so long.

[nickagneta]

Tony had one of his patented nights tonight:

2 turnovers, 2 fouls, and the Celts were outscored by 8 in the 6 minutes Tony was in there.

Good stuff out of you, Tony.  Keep up the good work.

TP because I was going to put up the same stats.

He is so pathetic. I just don't see how Tony Allen fans can still hang onto the deluded notion that he is worthy of not only playing time, but an extensive role on this team.

Mind boggling to me. He really is the exact same player that came out of Oklahoma State 6 years ago only without the unbelievable athleticism that allowed him to overcome the boneheadedness of his game.

Wow.  This is Tony's first game after not playing a gazillion games.  Give the guy some time to get his legs under him.

We've been giving the guy six years.

I know, but it's still unfair to judge after not playing for so long.

Not if the game he plays after not playing so long is chalk full the same type bad play he has been displaying for the previous five years.

That offensive foul of his is typical. Don't listen to Tommy Heinsohn's call saying the guy slid under him once he was in the air. The guy was there for a good second or more before Tony barreled into him. But Tony wouldn't know that because he was too busy looking at the ground dribbling the ball.

His other turnover where he threw the ball to Scal and Scal missed it. Again, typical Tony. There was no one around him or Scal but instead while falling out of bounds of gently tossing the ball Scal's way, he tosses it hard and fast infront of Scal while Scal isn't looking. Blame Scal all you want but if that was Rondo, Ray, Rasheed or KG saving that ball, there would not have been a turnover.

Two missed free throws.

His defense was atrocious and I'm surprised no one has called him out on it. so I will. He got lost on a low post give and go that led to a layup for his man, he was getting beat off the dribble and lost on switches.

[ssspence]

i'm not a tony defender, but has anyone ever heard the term 'rust'? i mean, 6 minutes? when KG plays poorly he has rust, when sheed plays poorly he's working his way into shape or learning the system. there's an excuse for just about everyone on this team but tony.

at least he wasn't the worst player on the floor tonight. scal is absolutely horrible and has no place in an NBA rotation.

[Roy Hobbs]

i'm not a tony defender, but has anyone ever heard the term 'rust'? i mean, 6 minutes? when KG plays poorly he has rust, when sheed plays poorly he's working his way into shape or learning the system. there's an excuse for just about everyone on this team but tony.

There's a reason Tony doesn't get any slack any more.  It's because he's been making the exact same mistakes his entire career.  To read some of the comments here, you'd think that Tony being turnover- and foul-prone was an aberration, rather than the norm.  Last night may have been an extreme example, but it was simply more of the same of what we've been consistently seeing his entire career.

[nickagneta]

i'm not a tony defender, but has anyone ever heard the term 'rust'? i mean, 6 minutes? when KG plays poorly he has rust, when sheed plays poorly he's working his way into shape or learning the system. there's an excuse for just about everyone on this team but tony.

at least he wasn't the worst player on the floor tonight. scal is absolutely horrible and has no place in an NBA rotation.

When KG and Sheed shake off the rust, they are All-Star caliber players. When Tony Allen shakes off the rust, he's still Tony Allen which means that most of what we saw last night is going to happen whether he is rusty or not.

[SalmonAndMashedPotatoes]

Tony had one of his patented nights tonight:

2 turnovers, 2 fouls, and the Celts were outscored by 8 in the 6 minutes Tony was in there.

Good stuff out of you, Tony.  Keep up the good work.

I'm not sure what's more predictable, a guy showing some rust after playing competitive basketball for the first time in about 7 months (after being injured for pretty much the last year straight with torn ligaments in his ankle and thumb), or the Interneters using every opportunity to bash their favorite whipping boy Tony Allen.  You guys are so boring.  Get some new material.

The thing is, you're only proving one thing: if you are looking to criticize someone, there's always ample evidence to do so.  To wit:

House had one of his 'patented' nights, going 1 for 7 and once again struggling to simply dribble and shoot well in the same game.  Shooting and dribbling, so hard to do in concert.

Daniels had one of his 'patented' nights too, failing to dress because he was injured again. 

Scal had one of his 'patented' nights where he runs around haplessly, knocking over defenseless players with fake hustle, gets a bunch of fouls, drops passes, and secures ZERO rebounds. 

Sheldon had one of his 'patented' nights where he fails to do anything of note except fumble away potential rebounds....

***

*If* Tony can stay healthy, he's going to be a productive member of the 2nd unit, just like last season when he was the most productive member of the 2nd unit prior to hurting his ankle.

[ssspence]

i'm not a tony defender, but has anyone ever heard the term 'rust'? i mean, 6 minutes? when KG plays poorly he has rust, when sheed plays poorly he's working his way into shape or learning the system. there's an excuse for just about everyone on this team but tony.

There's a reason Tony doesn't get any slack any more.  It's because he's been making the exact same mistakes his entire career.  To read some of the comments here, you'd think that Tony being turnover- and foul-prone was an aberration, rather than the norm.  Last night may have been an extreme example, but it was simply more of the same of what we've been consistently seeing his entire career.

much like this topic is beaten like a dead horse on this board over and over and over again by the same posters. they guy paid 6 minutes or whatever in a win. move on, for pete's sake.

[Chris]

I'm not sure what's more predictable, a guy showing some rust after playing competitive basketball for the first time in about 7 months (after being injured for pretty much the last year straight with torn ligaments in his ankle and thumb), or the Interneters using every opportunity to bash their favorite whipping boy Tony Allen.  You guys are so boring.  Get some new material.

When does it stop being rust, and start being just part of his game?  Did anyone not see that charge coming a mile away?  I know about half of my section groaned the second the ball was passed to him on the wing, with a man underneath.

Tony is what he is, and rust has nothing to do with it.  He is an aggressive player who does not know how to play under control and within a structured system for extended periods of time.  He ALWAYS has major lapses that cost his team.  

I will say what I have always said about Tony.  Put him on a 20 win team, where he can basically do what he wants, because no one else knows how to play with structure either (see: 2006 Celtics), and he is a hell of a producer.  I think if you put him on the Wolves right now, he would average 18, 5, and 4.  But you put him on a team like the C's, and he is a major liability.

[ssspence]

I'm not sure what's more predictable, a guy showing some rust after playing competitive basketball for the first time in about 7 months (after being injured for pretty much the last year straight with torn ligaments in his ankle and thumb), or the Interneters using every opportunity to bash their favorite whipping boy Tony Allen.  You guys are so boring.  Get some new material.

When does it stop being rust, and start being just part of his game?  Did anyone not see that charge coming a mile away?  I know about half of my section groaned the second the ball was passed to him on the wing, with a man underneath.

Tony is what he is, and rust has nothing to do with it.  He is an aggressive player who does not know how to play under control and within a structured system for extended periods of time.  He ALWAYS has major lapses that cost his team.  

I will say what I have always said about Tony.  Put him on a 20 win team, where he can basically do what he wants, because no one else knows how to play with structure either (see: 2006 Celtics), and he is a hell of a producer.  I think if you put him on the Wolves right now, he would average 18, 5, and 4.  But you put him on a team like the C's, and he is a major liability.

all of this stuff has been said before ad nauseum. does it really bare repeating every time the guy sees the floor? ugh.

[nickagneta]

i'm not a tony defender, but has anyone ever heard the term 'rust'? i mean, 6 minutes? when KG plays poorly he has rust, when sheed plays poorly he's working his way into shape or learning the system. there's an excuse for just about everyone on this team but tony.

There's a reason Tony doesn't get any slack any more.  It's because he's been making the exact same mistakes his entire career.  To read some of the comments here, you'd think that Tony being turnover- and foul-prone was an aberration, rather than the norm.  Last night may have been an extreme example, but it was simply more of the same of what we've been consistently seeing his entire career.

much like this topic is beaten like a dead horse on this board over and over and over again by the same posters. they guy paid 6 minutes or whatever in a win. he's an injury fill-in in the rotation. move on, for pete's sake.

We didn't force you to participate in this thread. You didn't HAVE to defend Tony if you knew all us "same posters" were going to criticize Tony. Don't like what we have to say, move on, try another thread. But by stating that Tony's play last night was because of "rust" is perpetrating the falsehood that somehow if Tony shakes off the rust he is going to be something other than what we saw last night. And 5 years of play proves that's just not so.

Sorry if you don't like having to read that but then again we aren't tying you to the computer, taping your eyes open and forcing you to read or respond to this in any way.

[Chris]

I'm not sure what's more predictable, a guy showing some rust after playing competitive basketball for the first time in about 7 months (after being injured for pretty much the last year straight with torn ligaments in his ankle and thumb), or the Interneters using every opportunity to bash their favorite whipping boy Tony Allen.  You guys are so boring.  Get some new material.

When does it stop being rust, and start being just part of his game?  Did anyone not see that charge coming a mile away?  I know about half of my section groaned the second the ball was passed to him on the wing, with a man underneath.

Tony is what he is, and rust has nothing to do with it.  He is an aggressive player who does not know how to play under control and within a structured system for extended periods of time.  He ALWAYS has major lapses that cost his team.  

I will say what I have always said about Tony.  Put him on a 20 win team, where he can basically do what he wants, because no one else knows how to play with structure either (see: 2006 Celtics), and he is a hell of a producer.  I think if you put him on the Wolves right now, he would average 18, 5, and 4.  But you put him on a team like the C's, and he is a major liability.

all of this stuff has been said before ad nauseum. does it really bare repeating every time the guy sees the floor? ugh.

Probably not, but I can't help myself when people make the whole "it's just the injuries" argument.  We have seen him healthy plenty of times in his career, and he has always been the same player, with the only difference being whether he could jump over guys heads or not.