Iverson already out of memphis

[the_Bird]

More like, "Would you like me to cut your leg off with this old hacksaw, or this rusty spoon?"

[wdleehi]

More like, "Would you like me to cut your leg off with this old hacksaw, or this rusty spoon?"

Is the old hacksaw rusty?

[the_Bird]

Don't worry, I sanitized it by heating it up to 800° with a propane torch...

[wdleehi]

Don't worry, I sanitized it by heating it up to 800° with a propane torch...

Well then, no questions.  That will at least close up the blood vessels.  Maybe give you a chance to make it.

[jambr380]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/62633/20091108/heisley_iverson_dealing_with_personal_issues/

Well, it sounds like they are at least being patient about this thing, which is good, but I don't know if anything will change.

[the_Bird]

Well, what else are they going to do?

They can't trade him right now; every other team passed on signing him as a free agenct, and I don't think they're allowed to trade him until December 15th.

If they release him, they have to pay him the full $3M.  No one will pick him up on waivers.

They could suspend him for "conduct detrimental to the team," but that burns all remaining bridges and sets up a big legal fight.

Still can't believe Larry Brown didn't reach out to this clown over the summer.  The ONE team where Iverson makes sense is the Bobcats.  He'd start, he'd dominate the ball but BFD since they don't have anyone else who can score anyway. 

[coco]

Iverson is the best example of a person suffering from "delussion of greatness".  The little guy's ego is bigger than anyone can handle.  He stop being relevant years ago....it just takes about 3yrs for the casual fan to pick up on it.

[Chris]

Iverson is the best example of a person suffering from "delussion of greatness".  The little guy's ego is bigger than anyone can handle.  He stop being relevant years ago....it just takes about 3yrs for the casual fan to pick up on it.

I don't know if this is true.  In the minutes he has played this season, he has been very effective.  Honestly, if the goal is to win games, then he deserves to be starting on that terrible Memphis team. 

The problem is, the goal is not to win games, and AI should have known that before he signed them. 

[nickagneta]

Iverson is the best example of a person suffering from "delussion of greatness".  The little guy's ego is bigger than anyone can handle.  He stop being relevant years ago....it just takes about 3yrs for the casual fan to pick up on it.

I don't know if this is true.  In the minutes he has played this season, he has been very effective.  Honestly, if the goal is to win games, then he deserves to be starting on that terrible Memphis team. 

The problem is, the goal is not to win games, and AI should have known that before he signed them. 

What exactly does three games of possibly misleading stats about his efficiency(I'm a big believer of watching games to judge a player's efficiency in an offense rather than JUST stats) have to do with Iverson suffering from thinking he's he's still the greatest player in the history of mankind. He's slower, less quick, just as selfish, and just as arrogant a man and a player as he was.

He really has been irrelevant as a difference making NBA star for some time.

[Chris]

Iverson is the best example of a person suffering from "delussion of greatness".  The little guy's ego is bigger than anyone can handle.  He stop being relevant years ago....it just takes about 3yrs for the casual fan to pick up on it.

I don't know if this is true.  In the minutes he has played this season, he has been very effective.  Honestly, if the goal is to win games, then he deserves to be starting on that terrible Memphis team. 

The problem is, the goal is not to win games, and AI should have known that before he signed them. 

What exactly does three games of possibly misleading stats about his efficiency(I'm a big believer of watching games to judge a player's efficiency in an offense rather than JUST stats) have to do with Iverson suffering from thinking he's he's still the greatest player in the history of mankind. He's slower, less quick, just as selfish, and just as arrogant a man and a player as he was.

He really has been irrelevant as a difference making NBA star for some time.

Well, I haven't heard him say he thinks he is still the best playing the in history of mankind, I have just heard him say that he believes he deserves to start on this team.  And I agree with him.

[guava_wrench]

Iverson is the best example of a person suffering from "delussion of greatness".  The little guy's ego is bigger than anyone can handle.  He stop being relevant years ago....it just takes about 3yrs for the casual fan to pick up on it.

I don't know if this is true.  In the minutes he has played this season, he has been very effective.  Honestly, if the goal is to win games, then he deserves to be starting on that terrible Memphis team. 

The problem is, the goal is not to win games, and AI should have known that before he signed them. 

What exactly does three games of possibly misleading stats about his efficiency(I'm a big believer of watching games to judge a player's efficiency in an offense rather than JUST stats) have to do with Iverson suffering from thinking he's he's still the greatest player in the history of mankind. He's slower, less quick, just as selfish, and just as arrogant a man and a player as he was.

He really has been irrelevant as a difference making NBA star for some time.

Well, I haven't heard him say he thinks he is still the best playing the in history of mankind, I have just heard him say that he believes he deserves to start on this team.  And I agree with him.

It isn't Iverson's place to decide minutes. If he wanted flexibility, he should have signed a smaller contract with an opt out clause in December, if that is possible for a vet.

If he wants to play by his rules, than he either needs to be a player coach, or retire.

[nickagneta]

Iverson is the best example of a person suffering from "delussion of greatness".  The little guy's ego is bigger than anyone can handle.  He stop being relevant years ago....it just takes about 3yrs for the casual fan to pick up on it.

I don't know if this is true.  In the minutes he has played this season, he has been very effective.  Honestly, if the goal is to win games, then he deserves to be starting on that terrible Memphis team. 

The problem is, the goal is not to win games, and AI should have known that before he signed them. 

What exactly does three games of possibly misleading stats about his efficiency(I'm a big believer of watching games to judge a player's efficiency in an offense rather than JUST stats) have to do with Iverson suffering from thinking he's he's still the greatest player in the history of mankind. He's slower, less quick, just as selfish, and just as arrogant a man and a player as he was.

He really has been irrelevant as a difference making NBA star for some time.

Well, I haven't heard him say he thinks he is still the best playing the in history of mankind, I have just heard him say that he believes he deserves to start on this team.  And I agree with him.

Yeah, and JR Giddens thinks he deserves to start on the C's. Ramon Sessions thinks he deserves to start for the Wolves. Manu thinks he deserves to start for the Spurs. There are players all across the league that think they deserve to start.

But it's the coach's job to decide who to start and who to sit and what's in the best interest of the team. Is Iverson a better player than Mike Conley at this time? Probably. Is he better than OJ Mayo at this time? I don't think so. But is it in the best interest of a young team trying to build experience in extremely talented youth to allow AI minutes over those two guys? I don't think so and I guess neither does Lionel Hollins.

Too, bad AI you aren't the playing coach of the griz because then he could make those decisions. But he isn't so he should keep his mouth shut and do his job to the best of his ability.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Iverson is the best example of a person suffering from "delussion of greatness".  The little guy's ego is bigger than anyone can handle.  He stop being relevant years ago....it just takes about 3yrs for the casual fan to pick up on it.

I don't know if this is true.  In the minutes he has played this season, he has been very effective.  Honestly, if the goal is to win games, then he deserves to be starting on that terrible Memphis team. 

The problem is, the goal is not to win games, and AI should have known that before he signed them. 

What exactly does three games of possibly misleading stats about his efficiency(I'm a big believer of watching games to judge a player's efficiency in an offense rather than JUST stats) have to do with Iverson suffering from thinking he's he's still the greatest player in the history of mankind. He's slower, less quick, just as selfish, and just as arrogant a man and a player as he was.

He really has been irrelevant as a difference making NBA star for some time.

Well, I haven't heard him say he thinks he is still the best playing the in history of mankind, I have just heard him say that he believes he deserves to start on this team.  And I agree with him.

Yeah, and JR Giddens thinks he deserves to start on the C's. Ramon Sessions thinks he deserves to start for the Wolves. Manu thinks he deserves to start for the Spurs. There are players all across the league that think they deserve to start.

But it's the coach's job to decide who to start and who to sit and what's in the best interest of the team. Is Iverson a better player than Mike Conley at this time? Probably. Is he better than OJ Mayo at this time? I don't think so. But is it in the best interest of a young team trying to build experience in extremely talented youth to allow AI minutes over those two guys? I don't think so and I guess neither does Lionel Hollins.

Too, bad AI you aren't the playing coach of the griz because then he could make those decisions. But he isn't so he should keep his mouth shut and do his job to the best of his ability.

The problem is why sign Iverson at all? They KNOW that he is not willing to come off the bench, if someone signs him is for the intention of starting him. So what gives? He deserves to start period, and if the team did not have that as its intention then they shouldn't have signed him at all.

Of the players that get regular minutes with Memphis he has the highest FG% at the moment. Of the players that get regular minutes, he has the highest AFG% at the moment.

His complaints are quite valid at the moment.

[Brickowski]

With all due respect, are you kidding?  He's doesn't deserve squat exept the 3.5 million they agreed to pay him.  If they want him to carry the towels he should carry the towels.

Iverson knew he was going to a young, rebuilding team when he signed the deal. Did he think he was the future of the Grizzlies?  He should be helping Mayo and Conley, not trying to take away their minutes.  What a jerk.

[nickagneta]

With all due respect, are you kidding?  He's doesn't deserve squat exept the 3.5 million they agreed to pay him.  If they want him to carry the towels he should carry the towels.

Iverson knew he was going to a young, rebuilding team when he signed the deal. Did he think he was the future of the Grizzlies?  He should be helping Mayo and Conley, not trying to take away their minutes.  What a jerk.

TP Brick. Sir Charles said the same thing during Thursday pre game show on TNT talking about when he was young how the older, more experienced guys that knew they couldn't do what Charles could, taught him and encouraged him and showed him the ins and outs about conditioning and traveling and work habits. He mentioned that Iverson, at this point in his career should stop thinking about being the star and start thinking about being the good influence vet that molds the other young players along and to ride their coat tails.

Except we all know that's never going to happen because AI is such a freaking tool. So because Iverson in a tremendously small sample size has a better FG% than players in front of him Hollins is supposed to bench his 20 PPG scoring SG or his young PG that has double double potential in scoring and assists and currently leads his team in assists with twice as many per game than Iverson. If Iverson came out and had one of his very typical 8 for 30 nights suddenly the only stat that suggest Iverson deserves time is shot to hell.

AI, shut up, cash your checks, keep your mouth shut and down your freaking job like the other 440 or so professional basketball players in the NBA.