Iverson already out of memphis

[BballTim]

Of the players that get regular minutes with Memphis he has the highest FG% at the moment. Of the players that get regular minutes, he has the highest AFG% at the moment.

  That's just scary.

[Chris]

With all due respect, are you kidding?  He's doesn't deserve squat exept the 3.5 million they agreed to pay him.  If they want him to carry the towels he should carry the towels.

Iverson knew he was going to a young, rebuilding team when he signed the deal. Did he think he was the future of the Grizzlies?  He should be helping Mayo and Conley, not trying to take away their minutes.  What a jerk.

Oh, I agree with this completely.  He should have known what he was getting into when he signed.  Everyone else did.  But my point was that he was not being delusional by thinking he is good enough to start on that team.  He absolutely should be starting if their goal was winning now.  But they are a rebuilding team, that only signed him to try to attract some fans.  He seemed to miss that part, and thought they signed him to play 40 minutes per game.  Clearly he either wasn't paying attention, or someone told him something that simply wasn't true.

[guava_wrench]

Iverson is the best example of a person suffering from "delussion of greatness".  The little guy's ego is bigger than anyone can handle.  He stop being relevant years ago....it just takes about 3yrs for the casual fan to pick up on it.

I don't know if this is true.  In the minutes he has played this season, he has been very effective.  Honestly, if the goal is to win games, then he deserves to be starting on that terrible Memphis team. 

The problem is, the goal is not to win games, and AI should have known that before he signed them. 

What exactly does three games of possibly misleading stats about his efficiency(I'm a big believer of watching games to judge a player's efficiency in an offense rather than JUST stats) have to do with Iverson suffering from thinking he's he's still the greatest player in the history of mankind. He's slower, less quick, just as selfish, and just as arrogant a man and a player as he was.

He really has been irrelevant as a difference making NBA star for some time.

Well, I haven't heard him say he thinks he is still the best playing the in history of mankind, I have just heard him say that he believes he deserves to start on this team.  And I agree with him.

Yeah, and JR Giddens thinks he deserves to start on the C's. Ramon Sessions thinks he deserves to start for the Wolves. Manu thinks he deserves to start for the Spurs. There are players all across the league that think they deserve to start.

But it's the coach's job to decide who to start and who to sit and what's in the best interest of the team. Is Iverson a better player than Mike Conley at this time? Probably. Is he better than OJ Mayo at this time? I don't think so. But is it in the best interest of a young team trying to build experience in extremely talented youth to allow AI minutes over those two guys? I don't think so and I guess neither does Lionel Hollins.

Too, bad AI you aren't the playing coach of the griz because then he could make those decisions. But he isn't so he should keep his mouth shut and do his job to the best of his ability.

The problem is why sign Iverson at all? They KNOW that he is not willing to come off the bench, if someone signs him is for the intention of starting him. So what gives? He deserves to start period, and if the team did not have that as its intention then they shouldn't have signed him at all.

Of the players that get regular minutes with Memphis he has the highest FG% at the moment. Of the players that get regular minutes, he has the highest AFG% at the moment.

His complaints are quite valid at the moment.

The dude is under contract. If he doesn't want to fulfill his contract, than the team should sue him (like the Dolphins did with Ricky Williams).

Stats are irrelevant. His stats were often good in Denver, but they became a much better team when they dumped him. He is a "go for mine" type who can kill chemistry and development of other players, so stats are very deceiving.

There are no guarantees about playing time when you sign a contract. If AI can't get over himself and his pride, then he should retire. He will have to make concessions if he wants to remain in the NBA. Sounds pretty simple to me. I don't get the AI apologists.

He can still be an exceptional scorer, but he can't carry a team anymore. Because he doesn't adjust his style as he ages, he becomes more of a disruption than a contributor.

[guava_wrench]

With all due respect, are you kidding?  He's doesn't deserve squat exept the 3.5 million they agreed to pay him.  If they want him to carry the towels he should carry the towels.

Iverson knew he was going to a young, rebuilding team when he signed the deal. Did he think he was the future of the Grizzlies?  He should be helping Mayo and Conley, not trying to take away their minutes.  What a jerk.

Oh, I agree with this completely.  He should have known what he was getting into when he signed.  Everyone else did.  But my point was that he was not being delusional by thinking he is good enough to start on that team.  He absolutely should be starting if their goal was winning now.  But they are a rebuilding team, that only signed him to try to attract some fans.  He seemed to miss that part, and thought they signed him to play 40 minutes per game.  Clearly he either wasn't paying attention, or someone told him something that simply wasn't true.

The guy also has health issues these days.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Iverson is the best example of a person suffering from "delussion of greatness".  The little guy's ego is bigger than anyone can handle.  He stop being relevant years ago....it just takes about 3yrs for the casual fan to pick up on it.

I don't know if this is true.  In the minutes he has played this season, he has been very effective.  Honestly, if the goal is to win games, then he deserves to be starting on that terrible Memphis team. 

The problem is, the goal is not to win games, and AI should have known that before he signed them. 

What exactly does three games of possibly misleading stats about his efficiency(I'm a big believer of watching games to judge a player's efficiency in an offense rather than JUST stats) have to do with Iverson suffering from thinking he's he's still the greatest player in the history of mankind. He's slower, less quick, just as selfish, and just as arrogant a man and a player as he was.

He really has been irrelevant as a difference making NBA star for some time.

Well, I haven't heard him say he thinks he is still the best playing the in history of mankind, I have just heard him say that he believes he deserves to start on this team.  And I agree with him.

Yeah, and JR Giddens thinks he deserves to start on the C's. Ramon Sessions thinks he deserves to start for the Wolves. Manu thinks he deserves to start for the Spurs. There are players all across the league that think they deserve to start.

But it's the coach's job to decide who to start and who to sit and what's in the best interest of the team. Is Iverson a better player than Mike Conley at this time? Probably. Is he better than OJ Mayo at this time? I don't think so. But is it in the best interest of a young team trying to build experience in extremely talented youth to allow AI minutes over those two guys? I don't think so and I guess neither does Lionel Hollins.

Too, bad AI you aren't the playing coach of the griz because then he could make those decisions. But he isn't so he should keep his mouth shut and do his job to the best of his ability.

The problem is why sign Iverson at all? They KNOW that he is not willing to come off the bench, if someone signs him is for the intention of starting him. So what gives? He deserves to start period, and if the team did not have that as its intention then they shouldn't have signed him at all.

Of the players that get regular minutes with Memphis he has the highest FG% at the moment. Of the players that get regular minutes, he has the highest AFG% at the moment.

His complaints are quite valid at the moment.

The dude is under contract. If he doesn't want to fulfill his contract, than the team should sue him (like the Dolphins did with Ricky Williams).

Stats are irrelevant. His stats were often good in Denver, but they became a much better team when they dumped him. He is a "go for mine" type who can kill chemistry and development of other players, so stats are very deceiving.

There are no guarantees about playing time when you sign a contract. If AI can't get over himself and his pride, then he should retire. He will have to make concessions if he wants to remain in the NBA. Sounds pretty simple to me. I don't get the AI apologists.

He can still be an exceptional scorer, but he can't carry a team anymore. Because he doesn't adjust his style as he ages, he becomes more of a disruption than a contributor.

They replaced him with someone that was better at the moment. If someone better gets the job over him, then fine, but Mike Conley isn't it.

He's under contract, and he should fulfill it, I give you that much, but as far as starting goes, he should start for this team and his complaint is quite valid. Seriously, why did Memphis sign him if they had no intention of starting him? That's just asking for trouble.

And I don't buy the rebuilding bit. They got Zach Randolph starting. Iverson, Gay, Randolph, Gasol, and Mayo can be a very dangerous unit any given night. They can put up a fairly competent season if coached right.

They can be in "rebuild" mode all they want, but nothing fosters development like a winning culture, and with Iverson and this group of young guys they can do something about it.