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Re: Lester Hudson is a keeper
« Reply #60 on: October 09, 2009, 04:36:26 PM »

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It's always a good thing to be fired up and optimistic.  However, people were saying the same types of things about Orien Greene not too long ago.  I'm going to see how things play out before making too many conclusions, one way or the other.

And one. Everyone loves Danny's draft picks at first. Nowhere near enough sample size to evaluate Lester.

Except for Giddens. Everyone has been against him since day one. Maybe that's why I've been pulling for him.

You go by what you see.  Giddens has not played well.  I'd like to see him play well too, but wishing won't make it so.

Which is besides the point I was making. No one (for the most part) liked Giddens since draft day pretty much.

Re: Lester Hudson is a keeper
« Reply #61 on: October 09, 2009, 05:48:36 PM »

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That's why I said Lester belongs in the group of Gomes, Davis, and Powe. Hudson was a multi-categorical producer. He did it all. Pass, rebound, defend, score (and score efficiently). He does not belong in the group of Pruitt and Ray..both of whom only scored and did not much else. No way does he belong in a group with Greene..who I'm still surprised even got drafted.
On the other hand, Giddens was one of the best rebounding guards in college. Apparently that doesn't help him much, even though rebounding is the skill which allegedly translates best from college to the pros.
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Re: Lester Hudson is a keeper
« Reply #62 on: October 09, 2009, 05:49:39 PM »

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It's always a good thing to be fired up and optimistic.  However, people were saying the same types of things about Orien Greene not too long ago.  I'm going to see how things play out before making too many conclusions, one way or the other.

And one. Everyone loves Danny's draft picks at first. Nowhere near enough sample size to evaluate Lester.

Except for Giddens. Everyone has been against him since day one. Maybe that's why I've been pulling for him.

You go by what you see.  Giddens has not played well.  I'd like to see him play well too, but wishing won't make it so.

Which is besides the point I was making. No one (for the most part) liked Giddens since draft day pretty much.

I loved the Giddens pick and i still defend him as a player, but his whole thing (even since high school) has been that he doesn't think about what he's doing. He spends too much time focusing on going 150mph.

Re: Lester Hudson is a keeper
« Reply #63 on: October 09, 2009, 09:34:01 PM »

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Ainge did it again with Lester. A bright spot giving the fact Giddens & Walker are slow learners. Have fun in D-league.

Re: Lester Hudson is a keeper
« Reply #64 on: October 09, 2009, 09:37:01 PM »

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That's why I said Lester belongs in the group of Gomes, Davis, and Powe. Hudson was a multi-categorical producer. He did it all. Pass, rebound, defend, score (and score efficiently). He does not belong in the group of Pruitt and Ray..both of whom only scored and did not much else. No way does he belong in a group with Greene..who I'm still surprised even got drafted.
On the other hand, Giddens was one of the best rebounding guards in college. Apparently that doesn't help him much, even though rebounding is the skill which allegedly translates best from college to the pros.

I'm not a big fan of Giddens yet, but he hasn't really gotten on the floor to rebound much.

Re: Lester Hudson is a keeper
« Reply #65 on: October 09, 2009, 09:44:10 PM »

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It's always a good thing to be fired up and optimistic.  However, people were saying the same types of things about Orien Greene not too long ago.  I'm going to see how things play out before making too many conclusions, one way or the other.

And one. Everyone loves Danny's draft picks at first. Nowhere near enough sample size to evaluate Lester.

Except for Giddens. Everyone has been against him since day one. Maybe that's why I've been pulling for him.

You go by what you see.  Giddens has not played well.  I'd like to see him play well too, but wishing won't make it so.

Which is besides the point I was making. No one (for the most part) liked Giddens since draft day pretty much.

I loved the Giddens pick and i still defend him as a player, but his whole thing (even since high school) has been that he doesn't think about what he's doing. He spends too much time focusing on going 150mph.

I think the issue with Giddens is that he isn't playing with any aggression not that he's play at 150/not thinking. He's thinking too much try not to make mistakes and in affect makig mistakes. It's like when your wide open on a fastbreak and your overthinking the layup you end up missing. That's how I see Giddens playing, afraid and to careful. No risk no reward.

Re: Lester Hudson is a keeper
« Reply #66 on: October 09, 2009, 09:57:55 PM »

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I like Hudson running the point more than Daniels and House to be honest. Hudson, House, Daniels, Baby, and Sheed should be the 5 coming off the bench IMO.

Re: Lester Hudson is a keeper
« Reply #67 on: October 09, 2009, 10:05:55 PM »

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How was he passed up 57 times after a stellar college career? Their lose our gain. Thank You Danny Ainge.

Re: Lester Hudson is a keeper
« Reply #68 on: October 09, 2009, 10:29:17 PM »

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It's always a good thing to be fired up and optimistic.  However, people were saying the same types of things about Orien Greene not too long ago.  I'm going to see how things play out before making too many conclusions, one way or the other.

It is still too early, but the one nice thing is that for two games in a row, Lester Hudson played decently, and with some scrap.  That scrappy play alone will get him a spot, if not on the Cs then with another team.  I do think he will stick with the Cs, though. 

For part of tonight's game, he was playing against Nate R. (I think that's who it was) and it looked to me that Nate was a bit flustered.
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Re: Lester Hudson is a keeper
« Reply #69 on: October 10, 2009, 10:17:21 AM »

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Tony Allen is a wing player, not a facilitator.  Tony never was and never will be a point guard.  You might as well bash Perkins for not being a point guard either.

Again true, but I know you have seen him lined up next to Eddie House in the 'Doc Experiments' over the past two years. He wasnt very good at bringing the ball up court or running the offense so Eddie could play off the ball. Trying to play as a primary ball handler regardless of position is not his game for sure.

For me Hudson is closer to Delonte West or Eddie House than Tony Allen. Not great, but seems solid and much more versatile from what we see so far. He plays some defense, can shoot a jumper, can pass the basketball, and most importantly can handle the ball well enough to bring it up court.

I believe he has the ability to take JR Giddens roster spot. Giddens option will not be picked up this year at the Oct 31 deadline if he doesnt show something soon.
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Re: Lester Hudson is a keeper
« Reply #70 on: October 10, 2009, 10:22:58 AM »

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I'm trying not to get excited about Lester. I don't think there are almost any 58th picks that ever became halfway good except Don Reid.

However he only needs to beat out one of these guys to be a good draft pick (for now)

Walker
Giddens
Tony Allen

Seeing as Walker and Allen both have bad injury histories I think Lester's timing couldn't be better

Then again Pruitt couldn't beat these guys out either

Re: Lester Hudson is a keeper
« Reply #71 on: October 10, 2009, 10:41:00 AM »

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I'm trying not to get excited about Lester. I don't think there are almost any 58th picks that ever became halfway good except Don Reid.

However he only needs to beat out one of these guys to be a good draft pick (for now)

Walker
Giddens
Tony Allen

Seeing as Walker and Allen both have bad injury histories I think Lester's timing couldn't be better

Then again Pruitt couldn't beat these guys out either
Walker-Let's see, a chronically injured 2nd year SF that had great athletic ability with a terrific work ethic. Lester can beat him out just by staying healthy.

Giddens-A 2nd year end of the first round SG that cant seem to play in Doc's system and produce so far. Lester beats him by just not making as many mistakes.

Tony Allen-A 6th year guy who is a 6'3" wing that doesnt handle the ball well and still makes enough mistakes for two rookies. He also cant seem to stay healthy enough to stay on the court and provide the defense he was known for. Again, Lester just needs to make less mistakes and stay healthy.

Looks like the window of opportunity is wide open for Lester to take the last existing bench guard spot behind Eddie and Quisy. The only thing that can hurt him is himself I guess.
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Re: Lester Hudson is a keeper
« Reply #72 on: October 10, 2009, 10:45:08 AM »

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I'm trying not to get excited about Lester. I don't think there are almost any 58th picks that ever became halfway good except Don Reid.

However he only needs to beat out one of these guys to be a good draft pick (for now)

Walker
Giddens
Tony Allen

Seeing as Walker and Allen both have bad injury histories I think Lester's timing couldn't be better

Then again Pruitt couldn't beat these guys out either
Walker-Let's see, a chronically injured 2nd year SF that had great athletic ability with a terrific work ethic. Lester can beat him out just by staying healthy.

Giddens-A 2nd year end of the first round SG that cant seem to play in Doc's system and produce so far. Lester beats him by just not making as many mistakes.

Tony Allen-A 6th year guy who is a 6'3" wing that doesnt handle the ball well and still makes enough mistakes for two rookies. He also cant seem to stay healthy enough to stay on the court and provide the defense he was known for. Again, Lester just needs to make less mistakes and stay healthy.

Looks like the window of opportunity is wide open for Lester to take the last existing bench guard spot behind Eddie and Quisy. The only thing that can hurt him is himself I guess.

We'll see how the next preseason goes. It was a head scratcher for me using Tony with the 2nd unit last night. I like Tony, but it really wasn't the right call. Doc should've used that opportunity to play Giddens with the 2nd unit, to see how they work together. If not Giddens, then Hudson, though I preffer Giddens just so that we can keep our length on the court, though Hudson seems a bit promising himself to give us some decent minutes.

We know what Tony is, Doc knows what Tony is. Giddens and Hudson are more unknowns, even to the coaching staff. These games are the perfect opportunity to test them in what could be real game scenarios. Playing Hudson and Giddens with 3rd stringers is not doing anyone any favors... not to Doc, not to the Celtics, and certainly not for these two players.

Re: Lester Hudson is a keeper
« Reply #73 on: October 10, 2009, 11:08:12 AM »

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I'm trying not to get excited about Lester. I don't think there are almost any 58th picks that ever became halfway good except Don Reid.

However he only needs to beat out one of these guys to be a good draft pick (for now)

Walker
Giddens
Tony Allen

Seeing as Walker and Allen both have bad injury histories I think Lester's timing couldn't be better

Then again Pruitt couldn't beat these guys out either

Wasn't the guy directly ahead of Hudson on the depth chart, Daniels, undrafted?

Re: Lester Hudson is a keeper
« Reply #74 on: October 10, 2009, 11:31:53 AM »

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I'm trying not to get excited about Lester. I don't think there are almost any 58th picks that ever became halfway good except Don Reid.

However he only needs to beat out one of these guys to be a good draft pick (for now)

Walker
Giddens
Tony Allen

Seeing as Walker and Allen both have bad injury histories I think Lester's timing couldn't be better

Then again Pruitt couldn't beat these guys out either
Walker-Let's see, a chronically injured 2nd year SF that had great athletic ability with a terrific work ethic. Lester can beat him out just by staying healthy.

Giddens-A 2nd year end of the first round SG that cant seem to play in Doc's system and produce so far. Lester beats him by just not making as many mistakes.

Tony Allen-A 6th year guy who is a 6'3" wing that doesnt handle the ball well and still makes enough mistakes for two rookies. He also cant seem to stay healthy enough to stay on the court and provide the defense he was known for. Again, Lester just needs to make less mistakes and stay healthy.

Looks like the window of opportunity is wide open for Lester to take the last existing bench guard spot behind Eddie and Quisy. The only thing that can hurt him is himself I guess.

...or a trade for a wing.
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