College football 2009

[Eja117]

Gaylord Hotels Music City is the single funniest name of a bowl in history

[Donoghus]

If there was a Plus One model in place, then I'd feel more comfortable with this Fiesta Bowl matchup.  However, under the current circumstances matching up the two non-BCS teams head to head does nothing to appease those who lobby for a playoff system because there is going to be the lingering question of just how good these two teams really are.  At least if it was Florida-TCU and Cincinnati-Boise State (or something along those lines) we'd be able to gauge things better.  

College football fans are definitely getting short-changed in that aspect (or at least the ones that have a problem with the current system)

[Eja117]

If there was a Plus One model in place, then I'd feel more comfortable with this Fiesta Bowl matchup.  However, under the current circumstances matching up the two non-BCS teams head to head does nothing to appease those who lobby for a playoff system because there is going to be the lingering question of just how good these two teams really are.  At least if it was Florida-TCU and Cincinnati-Boise State (or something along those lines) we'd be able to gauge things better.  

College football fans are definitely getting short-changed in that aspect (or at least the ones that have a problem with the current system)

To me it just smacks of taking the two kids that had the audacity to break your stupid rules so you put them both in the corner and try to get the other kids not to talk to them.

They don't want the David v Goliath matchup cause Goliath might lose. They've seen it enough.

Can you imagine Tebow in his last game against TCU and TCU bushwhacks him? Tebow is like college football royalty. The Gators were ranked #1 the entire year till last week. If TCU pulls a Utah on them (especially if Bama and Texas don't look good) it'll just look like "You don't know how to rank teams. You lied to us all year. Your stupid SEC teams are nothin."  The BCS can't handle that. Can you imagine Tebow getting hurt and getting carted off the field with a bad injury with a 55-9 score, while Texas just baaaarrrrely manages to beat Bama by a point?

Nightmare scenario. Nope. BSU and TCU are being told "Go play outside". That's all there is to it

[Eja117]

BCS = Big Coward System

or

BCS = Big Crooked System

or Big Crime System

or Bad Computer/coach System

or Bad Championship System

or Badly Compensating for Something

[houseonfire09]

If there was a Plus One model in place, then I'd feel more comfortable with this Fiesta Bowl matchup.  However, under the current circumstances matching up the two non-BCS teams head to head does nothing to appease those who lobby for a playoff system because there is going to be the lingering question of just how good these two teams really are.  At least if it was Florida-TCU and Cincinnati-Boise State (or something along those lines) we'd be able to gauge things better.  

College football fans are definitely getting short-changed in that aspect (or at least the ones that have a problem with the current system)

I want a real playoff with a selection committee and everything like how D-1 basketball does it with 16 teams.  However, since we don't have that, we have to deal with what we have.  The goal of any postseason should be to deliver the best and most entertaining matchups every year (i.e. giving the fans who pay for tickets/merchandise the matchups THEY want to see, not FOX or BCS executives).  I doubt very many fans outside of Texas wanted them to play 'Bama in the title game after getting saved by instant replay in a game where Nebraska's defensive tackle was by far the best player on the field.  The BCS CONSISTENTLY does this to give themselves $, against the will of the people.

/moral outrage

[Roy Hobbs]

If there was a Plus One model in place, then I'd feel more comfortable with this Fiesta Bowl matchup.  However, under the current circumstances matching up the two non-BCS teams head to head does nothing to appease those who lobby for a playoff system because there is going to be the lingering question of just how good these two teams really are.  At least if it was Florida-TCU and Cincinnati-Boise State (or something along those lines) we'd be able to gauge things better.  

College football fans are definitely getting short-changed in that aspect (or at least the ones that have a problem with the current system)

To me it just smacks of taking the two kids that had the audacity to break your stupid rules so you put them both in the corner and try to get the other kids not to talk to them.

They don't want the David v Goliath matchup cause Goliath might lose. They've seen it enough.

Can you imagine Tebow in his last game against TCU and TCU bushwhacks him? Tebow is like college football royalty. The Gators were ranked #1 the entire year till last week. If TCU pulls a Utah on them (especially if Bama and Texas don't look good) it'll just look like "You don't know how to rank teams. You lied to us all year. Your stupid SEC teams are nothin."  The BCS can't handle that. Can you imagine Tebow getting hurt and getting carted off the field with a bad injury with a 55-9 score, while Texas just baaaarrrrely manages to beat Bama by a point?

Nightmare scenario. Nope. BSU and TCU are being told "Go play outside". That's all there is to it

I don't know about this.  I don't think the Fiesta Bowl would pick two teams if they didn't think it was in their best interests.  The bowls themselves have a lot of power, and I think if the Fiesta Bowl thought that they could have found a matchup that would have resulted in better ratings, they would have gone with it.

I agree that the selection makes it hard to truly judge the strength of the two teams as compared to teams from the non-BCS conferences, but I don't think there was any conspiracy aspect to it.  I agree that Florida/TCU and Cincy/Boise would have been the most compelling matchups, but there was no way that the Fiesta Bowl was going to pass on TCU (after the Sugar Bowl picked Florida) just to set up the best matchup for another bowl.

[Eja117]

If there was a Plus One model in place, then I'd feel more comfortable with this Fiesta Bowl matchup.  However, under the current circumstances matching up the two non-BCS teams head to head does nothing to appease those who lobby for a playoff system because there is going to be the lingering question of just how good these two teams really are.  At least if it was Florida-TCU and Cincinnati-Boise State (or something along those lines) we'd be able to gauge things better.  

College football fans are definitely getting short-changed in that aspect (or at least the ones that have a problem with the current system)

To me it just smacks of taking the two kids that had the audacity to break your stupid rules so you put them both in the corner and try to get the other kids not to talk to them.

They don't want the David v Goliath matchup cause Goliath might lose. They've seen it enough.

Can you imagine Tebow in his last game against TCU and TCU bushwhacks him? Tebow is like college football royalty. The Gators were ranked #1 the entire year till last week. If TCU pulls a Utah on them (especially if Bama and Texas don't look good) it'll just look like "You don't know how to rank teams. You lied to us all year. Your stupid SEC teams are nothin."  The BCS can't handle that. Can you imagine Tebow getting hurt and getting carted off the field with a bad injury with a 55-9 score, while Texas just baaaarrrrely manages to beat Bama by a point?

Nightmare scenario. Nope. BSU and TCU are being told "Go play outside". That's all there is to it

I don't know about this.  I don't think the Fiesta Bowl would pick two teams if they didn't think it was in their best interests.  The bowls themselves have a lot of power, and I think if the Fiesta Bowl thought that they could have found a matchup that would have resulted in better ratings, they would have gone with it.

I agree that the selection makes it hard to truly judge the strength of the two teams as compared to teams from the non-BCS conferences, but I don't think there was any conspiracy aspect to it.  I agree that Florida/TCU and Cincy/Boise would have been the most compelling matchups, but there was no way that the Fiesta Bowl was going to pass on TCU (after the Sugar Bowl picked Florida) just to set up the best matchup for another bowl.

I'm sure the BCS executive director is more than capable of explaining to the Fiesta Bowl what is really in their best interests. There are other bowls. There's no reason the Fiesta couldn't some day be replaced by the Cotton.

[Eja117]

This is the thing. What hurts the BCS hurts the Fiesta Bowl.

First of all I think TCU was actually guaranteed a bowl. They had to be picked. The team that was picked was Boise St.

So let's say they didn't pick Boise St. Let's say they picked the next best BCS ranked team. The next highest ranked AP team is Penn St.  No way the BCS wants to see JoePa get beat 75-3 while Texas and Bama play to a 17-14 conclusion.

This way the BCS gets a couple interesting possibilities. One thing is that most likely BSU loses. So the team that beat the Pac-10 champ will get a loss.  I think that makes them happy.  The other great thing for them is that BSU is probably one of the only teams on Earth capable of beating TCU. If they beat them then you won't have an undefeated #2 ranked non-BCS team for the 2nd year in a row.

They get to pat themselves on the back for getting two non-BCS teams in BCS games.

3 out of 4 BCS busters that got into BCS games have beaten BCS teams and they were Utah, BSU, and Utah.  TCU is in Utah's conference.  They couldn't have TCU beating up on another major BCS team. And they couldn't have BSU doing it either. Then they would have had 2 undefeated non-BCS teams that beat BCS teams.

Having TCU v BSU very conveniently solves a lot of problems for them.

Well one thing is for sure. Either TCU or BSU ends up the national champion. The BCS teams all forfeited to them.

[Fafnir]

Well one thing is for sure. Either TCU or BSU ends up the national champion. The BCS teams all forfeited to them.

Not really. We have a whopping 5 undefeated teams eja117. So there is no way without a playoff system to settle it fairly, three teams had to be left out. No matter who was left out it was going to be unfair.

I do agree that having TCU and Boise play each other was a dodge by the BCS.

[Eja117]

Well one thing is for sure. Either TCU or BSU ends up the national champion. The BCS teams all forfeited to them.

Not really. We have a whopping 5 undefeated teams eja117. So there is no way without a playoff system to settle it fairly, three teams had to be left out. No matter who was left out it was going to be unfair.

I do agree that having TCU and Boise play each other was a dodge by the BCS.

If the BCS believed that TCU and BSU weren't the best teams around they would have had BCS teams go out and beat them, but they know there aren't two BCS teams that can do that. Not after Bama and Texas anyway

[Fafnir]

Well one thing is for sure. Either TCU or BSU ends up the national champion. The BCS teams all forfeited to them.

Not really. We have a whopping 5 undefeated teams eja117. So there is no way without a playoff system to settle it fairly, three teams had to be left out. No matter who was left out it was going to be unfair.

I do agree that having TCU and Boise play each other was a dodge by the BCS.

If the BCS believed that TCU and BSU weren't the best teams around they would have had BCS teams go out and beat them, but they know there aren't two BCS teams that can do that. Not after Bama and Texas anyway

Possibly true, but Texas, Alabma, and Cinncy are also undefeated. With five undefeated teams three have to get left out, no one forfieted the National title to those two teams.

[Donoghus]

Well one thing is for sure. Either TCU or BSU ends up the national champion. The BCS teams all forfeited to them.

Not really. We have a whopping 5 undefeated teams eja117. So there is no way without a playoff system to settle it fairly, three teams had to be left out. No matter who was left out it was going to be unfair.

I do agree that having TCU and Boise play each other was a dodge by the BCS.

If the BCS believed that TCU and BSU weren't the best teams around they would have had BCS teams go out and beat them, but they know there aren't two BCS teams that can do that. Not after Bama and Texas anyway

Possibly true, but Texas, Alabma, and Cinncy are also undefeated. With five undefeated teams three have to get left out, no one forfieted the National title to those two teams.

Agreed.  Three undefeated teams were gonna get screwed, regardless. 

Somehow I don't think Alabama, Texas, or Cincinnati is conceding anything to TCU & Boise State right now.  No one is forfeiting anything. 

[Roy Hobbs]

Well one thing is for sure. Either TCU or BSU ends up the national champion. The BCS teams all forfeited to them.

Not really. We have a whopping 5 undefeated teams eja117. So there is no way without a playoff system to settle it fairly, three teams had to be left out. No matter who was left out it was going to be unfair.

I do agree that having TCU and Boise play each other was a dodge by the BCS.

If the BCS believed that TCU and BSU weren't the best teams around they would have had BCS teams go out and beat them, but they know there aren't two BCS teams that can do that. Not after Bama and Texas anyway

Based on the rankings, the only teams that could presumably beat them would be Alabama, Texas, Cincinnati, and Florida (ranked ahead of Boise).  Maybe they should have matched up against one of the latter two of those teams, but once the Sugar Bowl picked Florida, which team should the Fiesta Bowl have taken?  They picked the highest ranked (AP) team (TCU), followed by the Sugar Bowl taking the next highest team (Cincy).  That meant the Fiesta Bowl was left with taking an inferior opponent, or the best remaining team, which happened to be Boise St.

I don't think seeing TCU beat up on Iowa or Georgia Tech would have been all that telling.  I would have preferred to see a match-up against Cincy or Florida, but that just didn't make sense in terms of how the selections were done.

You're the Sugar Bowl with the first pick of at-large teams, and you're the Fiesta Bowl with the second pick.  Who do you take?  I think their selections were very logical.

[Bahku]

Clausen is NOT going back to Notre Dame but will enter the NFL Draft and pass on his Senior year in college ... a lot of people will like this, but I think it's a shame. Stay in school.

[KCattheStripe]

Clausen is NOT going back to Notre Dame but will enter the NFL Draft and pass on his Senior year in college ... a lot of people will like this, but I think it's a shame. Stay in school.

Why? The coach he went to the school for is gone. Also, why risk another year and get Sam Bradford.