Marquis Update (from SLAM Online)

[greenwise]

BTW, this is a joke...right?

"In other Celtics news, the long-awaited Marquis Daniels trade still isn’t official, as the C’s and Pacers search for a third team to facilitate the process.

Danny Ainge expects things to be resolved by next week, when Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace gets back from vacation."

http://www.csnne.com/2009/08/21/the-friday-monologue-11-13-08/

[Drucci]

BTW, this is a joke...right?

"In other Celtics news, the long-awaited Marquis Daniels trade still isn’t official, as the C’s and Pacers search for a third team to facilitate the process.

Danny Ainge expects things to be resolved by next week, when Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace gets back from vacation."

http://www.csnne.com/2009/08/21/the-friday-monologue-11-13-08/

Actually, it makes sense : when you can't complete a trade, ask Chris Wallace to be involved in it. You can be sure he'll make his best to help you get the players you want while getting his team screwed in the process.

[tenn_smoothie]

would you'all please explain to me what tony allen did to be seen as this promising player. i understand that before his first knee injury - which ocurred after a whistle on a throw-away show-off dunk (typical stupid tony allen move) - that tony allen was believed to have promise.

since i wasn't able to see the celtics much on tv during that season before allen hurt himself, can you tell me what kind of player he was that warranted this irrational love affair danny ainge seems to have with the guy ?

[lon3lytoaster]

would you'all please explain to me what tony allen did to be seen as this promising player. i understand that before his first knee injury - which ocurred after a whistle on a throw-away show-off dunk (typical stupid tony allen move) - that tony allen was believed to have promise.

since i wasn't able to see the celtics much on tv during that season before allen hurt himself, can you tell me what kind of player he was that warranted this irrational love affair danny ainge seems to have with the guy ?

That was actually his second ACL injury, I believe. He got hurt the first time running from the police when he got Will Bynum out for dinner in Chicago as a congratulations gift for getting signed by the Celtics. He then got into a fight with someone named Mark Twaine, I think and someone ended up getting shot. This is also most likely where his death threats were coming from in the playoffs against the Bulls.

Anyway, Tony before he got hurt again was just fearless. Absolutely fearless when it came to driving to the basket. He still had the athletic ability to make amazing dunks in traffic, even after that knee injury. I remember he had that one against Denver where Carmelo Anthony literally pushed Earl Boynkins out of the way so he didn't get dunked on.

He could also shoot a lot better than he can now, and he rebounded pretty good for his size, as well. When Pierce went down he picked up a good amount of the scoring load, him and Al Jefferson. It was starting to look like he was going to be a legit NBA starter and that we would of had a playoff team with the development of him, Al Jefferson and then the return of Pierce. Of course, that was also the season we won 24 games.

Thats why he was hyped so much, and now he can't do anything really useful.

[Chris]

BTW, this is a joke...right?

"In other Celtics news, the long-awaited Marquis Daniels trade still isn’t official, as the C’s and Pacers search for a third team to facilitate the process.

Danny Ainge expects things to be resolved by next week, when Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace gets back from vacation."

http://www.csnne.com/2009/08/21/the-friday-monologue-11-13-08/

I don't know if its a joke, but it makes sense to me. 

The C's send Tony Allen and $3 million cash to Memphis (who are under the cap), Boston gets Daniels for a contract starting at $3 million, and the Pacers get a $3 million trade exception. 

Memphis gets Tony Allen for free, and some extra cash for their trouble, the Pacers don't have to take on any salary, and get a decent asset, and for the C's, it is basically a wash financially compared to keeping Tony Allen on the roster and giving Daniels the BAE.

I would imagine Danny has been looking for a better deal, where they save more money/get more assets, but I would imagine they have had a deal with either Memphis or OKC in their back pocket all along.  This is EXACTLY the type of deal that makes owners love Chris Wallace.

[clover]

I'd love to see that.  Tony's had his chances here, and Doc doesn't want him.  Means room for Hudson even if they add another PG--and I'm curious to see him play.

[guava_wrench]

BTW, this is a joke...right?

"In other Celtics news, the long-awaited Marquis Daniels trade still isn’t official, as the C’s and Pacers search for a third team to facilitate the process.

Danny Ainge expects things to be resolved by next week, when Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace gets back from vacation."

http://www.csnne.com/2009/08/21/the-friday-monologue-11-13-08/

I don't know if its a joke, but it makes sense to me. 

The C's send Tony Allen and $3 million cash to Memphis (who are under the cap), Boston gets Daniels for a contract starting at $3 million, and the Pacers get a $3 million trade exception. 

Memphis gets Tony Allen for free, and some extra cash for their trouble, the Pacers don't have to take on any salary, and get a decent asset, and for the C's, it is basically a wash financially compared to keeping Tony Allen on the roster and giving Daniels the BAE.

I would imagine Danny has been looking for a better deal, where they save more money/get more assets, but I would imagine they have had a deal with either Memphis or OKC in their back pocket all along.  This is EXACTLY the type of deal that makes owners love Chris Wallace.

Even if we send cash equally TA's full contract to Memphis, we would be saving that same amount in luxury tax.

The only problem with send TA is that we are really counting on Giddens or Walker being able to contribute some minutes on the wing. While I still prefer TA over them, I would like to see the money saved.

[jdub1660]

BTW, this is a joke...right?

"In other Celtics news, the long-awaited Marquis Daniels trade still isn’t official, as the C’s and Pacers search for a third team to facilitate the process.

Danny Ainge expects things to be resolved by next week, when Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace gets back from vacation."

http://www.csnne.com/2009/08/21/the-friday-monologue-11-13-08/

I don't know if its a joke, but it makes sense to me. 

The C's send Tony Allen and $3 million cash to Memphis (who are under the cap), Boston gets Daniels for a contract starting at $3 million, and the Pacers get a $3 million trade exception. 

Memphis gets Tony Allen for free, and some extra cash for their trouble, the Pacers don't have to take on any salary, and get a decent asset, and for the C's, it is basically a wash financially compared to keeping Tony Allen on the roster and giving Daniels the BAE.

I would imagine Danny has been looking for a better deal, where they save more money/get more assets, but I would imagine they have had a deal with either Memphis or OKC in their back pocket all along.  This is EXACTLY the type of deal that makes owners love Chris Wallace.

Even if we send cash equally TA's full contract to Memphis, we would be saving that same amount in luxury tax.

The only problem with send TA is that we are really counting on Giddens or Walker being able to contribute some minutes on the wing. While I still prefer TA over them, I would like to see the money saved.

Really? Tony Allen doesn't fit our system. A trade that gets rid of him to get us Marquis for FREE, you gotta love that. Plus that saves us the Biannual 1.9 to use on some other wing

[Edgar]

BTW, this is a joke...right?

"In other Celtics news, the long-awaited Marquis Daniels trade still isn’t official, as the C’s and Pacers search for a third team to facilitate the process.

Danny Ainge expects things to be resolved by next week, when Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace gets back from vacation."

http://www.csnne.com/2009/08/21/the-friday-monologue-11-13-08/

I don't know if its a joke, but it makes sense to me. 

The C's send Tony Allen and $3 million cash to Memphis (who are under the cap), Boston gets Daniels for a contract starting at $3 million, and the Pacers get a $3 million trade exception. 

Memphis gets Tony Allen for free, and some extra cash for their trouble, the Pacers don't have to take on any salary, and get a decent asset, and for the C's, it is basically a wash financially compared to keeping Tony Allen on the roster and giving Daniels the BAE.

I would imagine Danny has been looking for a better deal, where they save more money/get more assets, but I would imagine they have had a deal with either Memphis or OKC in their back pocket all along.  This is EXACTLY the type of deal that makes owners love Chris Wallace.

Even if we send cash equally TA's full contract to Memphis, we would be saving that same amount in luxury tax.

The only problem with send TA is that we are really counting on Giddens or Walker being able to contribute some minutes on the wing. While I still prefer TA over them, I would like to see the money saved.

Really? Tony Allen doesn't fit our system. A trade that gets rid of him to get us Marquis for FREE, you gotta love that. Plus that saves us the Biannual 1.9 to use on some other wing

just change the last wing in your post with PG

[Chris]

BTW, this is a joke...right?

"In other Celtics news, the long-awaited Marquis Daniels trade still isn’t official, as the C’s and Pacers search for a third team to facilitate the process.

Danny Ainge expects things to be resolved by next week, when Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace gets back from vacation."

http://www.csnne.com/2009/08/21/the-friday-monologue-11-13-08/

I don't know if its a joke, but it makes sense to me. 

The C's send Tony Allen and $3 million cash to Memphis (who are under the cap), Boston gets Daniels for a contract starting at $3 million, and the Pacers get a $3 million trade exception. 

Memphis gets Tony Allen for free, and some extra cash for their trouble, the Pacers don't have to take on any salary, and get a decent asset, and for the C's, it is basically a wash financially compared to keeping Tony Allen on the roster and giving Daniels the BAE.

I would imagine Danny has been looking for a better deal, where they save more money/get more assets, but I would imagine they have had a deal with either Memphis or OKC in their back pocket all along.  This is EXACTLY the type of deal that makes owners love Chris Wallace.

Even if we send cash equally TA's full contract to Memphis, we would be saving that same amount in luxury tax.

The only problem with send TA is that we are really counting on Giddens or Walker being able to contribute some minutes on the wing. While I still prefer TA over them, I would like to see the money saved.

Really? Tony Allen doesn't fit our system. A trade that gets rid of him to get us Marquis for FREE, you gotta love that. Plus that saves us the Biannual 1.9 to use on some other wing

Yeah, the key to trading Tony for Daniels is that it frees up the BAE, as well as an extra roster spot, so then we can go after another FA wing who is better (or more reliable) to replace TA on the roster, while still having an extra roster spot to sign an extra PG (or Hudson).

[guava_wrench]

BTW, this is a joke...right?

"In other Celtics news, the long-awaited Marquis Daniels trade still isn’t official, as the C’s and Pacers search for a third team to facilitate the process.

Danny Ainge expects things to be resolved by next week, when Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace gets back from vacation."

http://www.csnne.com/2009/08/21/the-friday-monologue-11-13-08/

I don't know if its a joke, but it makes sense to me. 

The C's send Tony Allen and $3 million cash to Memphis (who are under the cap), Boston gets Daniels for a contract starting at $3 million, and the Pacers get a $3 million trade exception. 

Memphis gets Tony Allen for free, and some extra cash for their trouble, the Pacers don't have to take on any salary, and get a decent asset, and for the C's, it is basically a wash financially compared to keeping Tony Allen on the roster and giving Daniels the BAE.

I would imagine Danny has been looking for a better deal, where they save more money/get more assets, but I would imagine they have had a deal with either Memphis or OKC in their back pocket all along.  This is EXACTLY the type of deal that makes owners love Chris Wallace.

Even if we send cash equally TA's full contract to Memphis, we would be saving that same amount in luxury tax.

The only problem with send TA is that we are really counting on Giddens or Walker being able to contribute some minutes on the wing. While I still prefer TA over them, I would like to see the money saved.

Really? Tony Allen doesn't fit our system. A trade that gets rid of him to get us Marquis for FREE, you gotta love that. Plus that saves us the Biannual 1.9 to use on some other wing

I don't agree. The problem with TA is his play has been erratic. Nevertheless, he is still a better option than the 2 young guys at the moment.

Who are you signing with the biannual? The main value of doing the trade is not freeing up the BAE (which we might just save for next year), but it is getting Daniels for 2 years so that we still have a bench next year while also saving a lot of money.

Mentioning the value of the biannual is meaningless unless you have a player you want us to sign. Considering we haven't used the BAE the first two years with KG, I need a more compelling argument to accept that keeping it is a bid deal. Who do you have us signing with the BAE?

[crownsy]

Does the BAE stay available throughout the season?

Because if it does, then i'll be very interested to have the BAE in reserve when teams cut vets to save money in February.

[Fafnir]

Does the BAE stay available throughout the season?

Because if it does, then i'll be very interested to have the BAE in reserve when teams cut vets to save money in February.

Yes it does, though like the MLE it eventually shrinks in value irc.

[Roy Hobbs]

Does the BAE stay available throughout the season?

Because if it does, then i'll be very interested to have the BAE in reserve when teams cut vets to save money in February.

Yes it does, though like the MLE it eventually shrinks in value irc.

Yep, starting on January 10th, it's value starts to shrink by 1/180th per day.

[nickagneta]

If we could pull off a trade that nabbed Daniels and sent out Tony I would offer the LLE to Ramon Sessions as a backup PG, It doesn't look as if Milwaukee will re-sign him as they now have Luke Ridnour, Charlie Bell, and Brandon Jennings signed at the position and are just at the luxury tax level. Sessions might also like the exposure he would get as a backup PG on a championship (contending) team. If Rondo, God forbid, would ever go down, the Celtics would have a very good PG that could continue their run for a championship.