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Re: Eli Manning signs ridiculous extension!
« Reply #135 on: September 22, 2009, 09:41:06 AM »

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I guess Ssspence that where I may disagree with you. I think contracts have to be earned based on what you during the duration of the contract.  I think one of the reasons the patriots have been succesful for so long has been they dont go with past performance, or what have you done for me lately, but what will you do for me in the future.  It sucks this year because it lead to the departures of some key guys but it puts the pats constantly in positions to reload and retool. 

I guess I understand if you think he deserved the contract but whether or not he earns is is going to be up for judgement for the next several years. 
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Re: Eli Manning signs ridiculous extension!
« Reply #136 on: September 22, 2009, 10:38:31 AM »

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I guess Ssspence that where I may disagree with you. I think contracts have to be earned based on what you during the duration of the contract.  I think one of the reasons the patriots have been succesful for so long has been they dont go with past performance, or what have you done for me lately, but what will you do for me in the future.  It sucks this year because it lead to the departures of some key guys but it puts the pats constantly in positions to reload and retool. 

I guess I understand if you think he deserved the contract but whether or not he earns is is going to be up for judgement for the next several years. 

sure. but the numbers by which contracts are negotiated are of course decided by past performace and potential for the future. the guy won a super bowl at a young age and is still improving entering his prime. and perhaps most importanly, he's not distracted by either his ego, or naysayers. he just goes out and does his job. for those reasons i'd argue he's a safe bet to earn his money.  and for those reasons amongst others it's clearly safe to say being paid like a top QB is not "ridiculous" for eli.

it's hard to argue with pats cap mgmt. it's brought them a great deal of success, and it's too early to judge the seymour deal which i understand is the latest sore spot. 

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Re: Eli Manning signs ridiculous extension!
« Reply #137 on: September 22, 2009, 10:42:56 AM »

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I guess Ssspence that where I may disagree with you. I think contracts have to be earned based on what you during the duration of the contract.  I think one of the reasons the patriots have been succesful for so long has been they dont go with past performance, or what have you done for me lately, but what will you do for me in the future.  It sucks this year because it lead to the departures of some key guys but it puts the pats constantly in positions to reload and retool. 

I guess I understand if you think he deserved the contract but whether or not he earns is is going to be up for judgement for the next several years. 

sure. but the numbers by which contracts are negotiated are of course decided by past performace and potential for the future. the guy won a super bowl at a young age and is still improving entering his prime. and perhaps most importanly, he's not distracted by either his ego, or naysayers. he just goes out and does his job. for those reasons i'd argue he's a safe bet to earn his money.  and for those reasons amongst others it's clearly safe to say being paid like a top QB is not "ridiculous" for eli.

it's hard to argue with pats cap mgmt. it's brought them a great deal of success, and it's too early to judge the seymour deal which i understand is the latest sore spot. 



I think the Seymour thing was more a lack of a deal. They traded him cause they knew they couldent resign him for the kind of money that he wanted.  I think its one of those things where it hurts the team now but how can you pass up an a probable top 10 pick for one year of service. 

Personally I will be interested to see how things go for the usual 3 week span for Jacobs doesnt play.  It seems like he gets hurt every year and without ward Ill be interested to see how Bradshaw steps up.  Also I have been really impressed with the WR play so far, but losing hickson and nix is pretty big so we will see how quick they come back.  And word on the Tuck injury?  He should be back soon right?
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Re: Eli Manning signs ridiculous extension!
« Reply #138 on: September 22, 2009, 11:19:49 AM »

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I guess Ssspence that where I may disagree with you. I think contracts have to be earned based on what you during the duration of the contract.  I think one of the reasons the patriots have been succesful for so long has been they dont go with past performance, or what have you done for me lately, but what will you do for me in the future.  It sucks this year because it lead to the departures of some key guys but it puts the pats constantly in positions to reload and retool. 

I guess I understand if you think he deserved the contract but whether or not he earns is is going to be up for judgement for the next several years. 

sure. but the numbers by which contracts are negotiated are of course decided by past performace and potential for the future. the guy won a super bowl at a young age and is still improving entering his prime. and perhaps most importanly, he's not distracted by either his ego, or naysayers. he just goes out and does his job. for those reasons i'd argue he's a safe bet to earn his money.  and for those reasons amongst others it's clearly safe to say being paid like a top QB is not "ridiculous" for eli.

it's hard to argue with pats cap mgmt. it's brought them a great deal of success, and it's too early to judge the seymour deal which i understand is the latest sore spot. 



I think the Seymour thing was more a lack of a deal. They traded him cause they knew they couldent resign him for the kind of money that he wanted.  I think its one of those things where it hurts the team now but how can you pass up an a probable top 10 pick for one year of service. 

Personally I will be interested to see how things go for the usual 3 week span for Jacobs doesnt play.  It seems like he gets hurt every year and without ward Ill be interested to see how Bradshaw steps up.  Also I have been really impressed with the WR play so far, but losing hickson and nix is pretty big so we will see how quick they come back.  And word on the Tuck injury?  He should be back soon right?

yes, jacobs has been nicked up alot, tho bradshaw has been better this year. but you need jacobs to set up the escapability of bradshaw -- this is why they picked up the big kid from san diego off waivers (in case of jacobs injury).

hixon would be falling down the depth chart anyway, tho he is their best returner. nicks is definitely missed -- their three top receivers are smith, manningham and nicks, and that's been the plan all offseason, with barden starting to be worked in for change of pace / red zone action. but i think nicks will be back for the meat of the schedule, and combined with boss there are great hands all over the field with those 5.

no word on tuck yet -- probably separated his shoulder and he's tough as nails so should be back. can't wait for the next cowboys game. tuck, kiwi, sintim and co are going to be flying around looking for payback. flozell's in for a long day.
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Re: Eli Manning signs ridiculous extension!
« Reply #139 on: December 27, 2009, 03:20:59 PM »

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They will win 8 games this year, because ELi cannot win without an elite WR, unlike Tom Brady.  End of story


Proof? 


Or just bias opinion?


Still waiting.

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Re: Eli Manning signs ridiculous extension!
« Reply #140 on: December 27, 2009, 03:35:17 PM »

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They will win 8 games this year, because ELi cannot win without an elite WR, unlike Tom Brady.  End of story


Proof? 


Or just bias opinion?


Still waiting.

Biased opinion

I'll echo that biased opinion, Rondo, (especially since 99% of what's posted on a blog is biased opinion) ... on the mark! ;)
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Re: Eli Manning signs ridiculous extension!
« Reply #141 on: December 27, 2009, 04:48:19 PM »

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They will win 8 games this year, because ELi cannot win without an elite WR, unlike Tom Brady.  End of story


Proof? 


Or just bias opinion?


Still waiting.

Biased opinion

I'll echo that biased opinion, Rondo, (especially since 99% of what's posted on a blog is biased opinion) ... on the mark! ;)

Because Eli having his statistical best season is the reason the Giants defense played so bad this season. 

Just like you aren't biased against anyone with the name Manning.

Re: Eli Manning signs ridiculous extension!
« Reply #142 on: December 27, 2009, 04:53:28 PM »

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all im sayin is i called an 8 win season pre-season and everybody tooled on me
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Re: Eli Manning signs ridiculous extension!
« Reply #143 on: December 27, 2009, 04:55:08 PM »

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all im sayin is i called an 8 win season pre-season and everybody tooled on me

No.  You said 8 wins because of Manning's play and the lack of WRs. 


That was not the case.


It was the defense played awful. 

Re: Eli Manning signs ridiculous extension!
« Reply #144 on: December 27, 2009, 04:56:47 PM »

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all im sayin is i called an 8 win season pre-season and everybody tooled on me

No.  You said 8 wins because of Manning's play and the lack of WRs. 


That was not the case.


It was the defense played awful. 

False, I said manning couldnt win without an elite WR, what is happening now?
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Re: Eli Manning signs ridiculous extension!
« Reply #145 on: December 27, 2009, 05:01:12 PM »

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all im sayin is i called an 8 win season pre-season and everybody tooled on me

No.  You said 8 wins because of Manning's play and the lack of WRs. 


That was not the case.


It was the defense played awful. 

False, I said manning couldnt win without an elite WR, what is happening now?

Smith has close to 100 receptions, over 1000 yards ans 7 TDs,

Eli has thrown for a career high TDs in a season.  He has the highest rating of his career. 


Manning isn't winning not because of his skills or his WRs. 

Manning isn't winning because of the defense.



And in the end, it doesn't matter.  The Giants underperformed this season and will have to make some big changes in the offseason on the defensive side.

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« Reply #146 on: December 27, 2009, 05:01:54 PM »

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all im sayin is i called an 8 win season pre-season and everybody tooled on me

No.  You said 8 wins because of Manning's play and the lack of WRs. 


That was not the case.


It was the defense played awful. 

False, I said manning couldnt win without an elite WR, what is happening now?
The Giants offense has been productive enough they are 6th in the NFL in total yards, and 6th in the NFL in points per game.

Their scoring defense is 26th in the NFL.

I think Eli is overpaid, but he hasn't been the problem with this year's Giants teams.

Re: Eli Manning signs ridiculous extension!
« Reply #147 on: December 27, 2009, 05:03:11 PM »

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I said he couldent win without an elite WR and predicted an 8 win season.  Going into the final week of the season they are 8-7.  Say what you will, but 9 points against the panthers is not an impressive performance. 
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Re: Eli Manning signs ridiculous extension!
« Reply #148 on: December 27, 2009, 05:04:47 PM »

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I said he couldent win without an elite WR and predicted an 8 win season.  Going into the final week of the season they are 8-7.  Say what you will, but 9 points against the panthers is not an impressive performance. 
You were right (or almost right depending on next week) on the record.

Your reason as to why it happened is incorrect though.

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« Reply #149 on: December 27, 2009, 05:08:48 PM »

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I said he couldent win without an elite WR and predicted an 8 win season.  Going into the final week of the season they are 8-7.  Say what you will, but 9 points against the panthers is not an impressive performance. 
You were right (or almost right depending on next week) on the record.

Your reason as to why it happened is incorrect though.

No, thats not true.  Every year that Manning made had a dominant receiver the Giants made the playoffs right?  This year they didnt and if the Cowboys win today will miss the playoffs.  I see a pattern there. 
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