2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[JSD]

Wow after you voted Chicago to lose to Detroit Yesterday Huh?? At least you are consistant

Feel fortunate, the KG bias on these boards got you the division and a round in the playoffs.

[Rondo2287]

Nah I feel fortunate I have the best team and Best bench. 

**No offense to others, but I do not feel KG is the only reason my team has gotten so far. Although he is a big part of my team

[Casperian]

I think the Buffalo/Seattle series is closer than it seems, and I think Seattle has to be the eventual winner.

Both teams are similar, but Seattle`s top end is higher than Buffalo`s. Buffalo is deeper, but not with impact players.

Buffalo relies heavily on Howard, but it won`t be easy for him to do his thing against Tim Duncan. I can`t see how the Braves win in a 7 game series. One game, yes, but not seven.

[Fafnir]

Nah I feel fortunate I have the best team and Best bench. 

**No offense to others, but I do not feel KG is the only reason my team has gotten so far. Although he is a big part of my team

KG is still a top 10 player in the game, he's definitely the reason your team has gotten this far  .

[Rondo2287]

Ya I know that he is Faf.  Jsaad was implying that KG isnt that good and the only reason I am this far is because people on the blog have man crushes on him. 

[wdleehi]

Nah I feel fortunate I have the best team and Best bench. 

**No offense to others, but I do not feel KG is the only reason my team has gotten so far. Although he is a big part of my team

KG is still a top 10 player in the game, he's definitely the reason your team has gotten this far  .

I am voting on the strength of KG to lead your team.

[Rondo2287]

Guys Im not saying KG isnt great! I know he is, thats why I have him on my team and why I picked him!.  Im just saying the reason I have made it this far isnt because of just the, "KG Bias" on this blog. 

So really I am depending on KG but just not this supposed "KG Biased" I really think if anything there may be a, "Good player Bias," here where teams with good players are voted for. 

[indeedproceed]

Nah I feel fortunate I have the best team and Best bench. 

**No offense to others, but I do not feel KG is the only reason my team has gotten so far. Although he is a big part of my team

KG is still a top 10 player in the game, he's definitely the reason your team has gotten this far  .

I am voting on the strength of KG to lead your team.

If I do vote for your team it will be mostly because of KG and Chicago's lack of ability to hurt Artest.

I think that Chicago's other three starters are better than your other three, with Martin and whichever of Gasol/Horford Camby is guarding being head and shoulders above your guys, while Chris Paul is substantially (but not head and shoulders) better than Miller.

Well Chris Paul is in another world than Miller when compared to the rest of the league, but it doesn't seem like he does that well against him, according to your numbers.

[Rondo2287]

IP these are the numbers of Camby Against Horford.  I think its clear that Cambys length really bothers Horford.  And he is able to attack the glass against the shorter Horford. 

Camby vs Horford
Camby leads 2-1
Camby 11 ppg, 13.3 rpg, 4.3 Ass, 1.7 st, 1.7 blk
Horford 11.3ppg, 8 rpg, 2.3 ass, 2.3 st, 1.0 blk

[indeedproceed]

IP these are the numbers of Camby Against Horford.  I think its clear that Cambys length really bothers Horford.  And he is able to attack the glass against the shorter Horford. 

Camby vs Horford
Camby leads 2-1
Camby 11 ppg, 13.3 rpg, 4.3 Ass, 1.7 st, 1.7 blk
Horford 11.3ppg, 8 rpg, 2.3 ass, 2.3 st, 1.0 blk

What are Horford's usual numbers?

[Fafnir]

Nah I feel fortunate I have the best team and Best bench. 

**No offense to others, but I do not feel KG is the only reason my team has gotten so far. Although he is a big part of my team

KG is still a top 10 player in the game, he's definitely the reason your team has gotten this far  .

I am voting on the strength of KG to lead your team.

If I do vote for your team it will be mostly because of KG and Chicago's lack of ability to hurt Artest.

I think that Chicago's other three starters are better than your other three, with Martin and whichever of Gasol/Horford Camby is guarding being head and shoulders above your guys, while Chris Paul is substantially (but not head and shoulders) better than Miller.

Well Chris Paul is in another world than Miller when compared to the rest of the league, but it doesn't seem like he does that well against him, according to your numbers.

I think over a 7 game series Chris Paul would light Miller up eventually.

[Fafnir]

IP these are the numbers of Camby Against Horford.  I think its clear that Cambys length really bothers Horford.  And he is able to attack the glass against the shorter Horford. 

Camby vs Horford
Camby leads 2-1
Camby 11 ppg, 13.3 rpg, 4.3 Ass, 1.7 st, 1.7 blk
Horford 11.3ppg, 8 rpg, 2.3 ass, 2.3 st, 1.0 blk

What are Horford's usual numbers?

11/9

Horford doesn't really seem bothered by Camby.

[Roy Hobbs]

Nah I feel fortunate I have the best team and Best bench. 

**No offense to others, but I do not feel KG is the only reason my team has gotten so far. Although he is a big part of my team

KG is still a top 10 player in the game, he's definitely the reason your team has gotten this far  .

I am voting on the strength of KG to lead your team.

If I do vote for your team it will be mostly because of KG and Chicago's lack of ability to hurt Artest.

I think that Chicago's other three starters are better than your other three, with Martin and whichever of Gasol/Horford Camby is guarding being head and shoulders above your guys, while Chris Paul is substantially (but not head and shoulders) better than Miller.

Well Chris Paul is in another world than Miller when compared to the rest of the league, but it doesn't seem like he does that well against him, according to your numbers.

Out of curiosity, IP, if it's Camby guarding Horford, how is Horford "head and shoulders" better?

Their overall statistics, especially when compared on a per-minute basis, were virtually identical last season.

Head to head, they've scored about the same, with Camby rebounding much more and shooting a higher percentage.

Objectively, how is this anything other than an even matchup, or perhaps a slight Toronto advantage?  I really think the "head and shoulders better" thing is drastically unfair.  Horford has become very overrated.

[Rondo2287]

Horfords usual numbers are around there, but Camby's rebounds and assists go way up against Horford.  Obviously Assists are subjective but I think the Rebounding is a real strenth that will show through during a 7 game series.  

And also, there are Horfords numbers against Big z in the playoffs.  

3.3 pts, 5.8 rbs, 2.0 assists in 27 minutes.  

And fafnir I understand you think Paul may light Miller up in a 7 game series, but In their career matchups, Miller has faired really well against Paul, alot better than most.  And then would consider the help defense that Miller is going to have behind him in KG and Camby as apposed to a hurt Brand and Lazy Dalembert.  

These are the career stats for Miller and Paul
Paul vs Miller
Paul leads 3-5
Miller 19ppg, 4.6 rpg, 5.4 Ass, 1.1 stl, .3 blk
Paul   15 ppg, 5.4,    8.4 ass, 3.1 stl, .1 blk

so thats in 8 games which I think is a decent sample size

[Fafnir]

Horfords usual numbers are around there, but Camby's rebounds and assists go way up against Horford.  Obviously Assists are subjective but I think the Rebounding is a real strenth that will show through during a 7 game series.  

And also, there are Horfords numbers against Big z in the playoffs.  

3.3 pts, 5.8 rbs, 2.0 assists in 27 minutes.  

And fafnir I understand you think Paul may light Miller up in a 7 game series, but In their career matchups, Miller has faired really well against Paul, alot better than most.  And then would consider the help defense that Miller is going to have behind him in KG and Camby as apposed to a hurt Brand and Lazy Dalembert.  

These are the career stats for Miller and Paul
Paul vs Miller
Paul leads 3-5
Miller 19ppg, 4.6 rpg, 5.4 Ass, 1.1 stl, .3 blk
Paul   15 ppg, 5.4,    8.4 ass, 3.1 stl, .1 blk

so thats in 8 games which I think is a decent sample size

What percentages do they shoot? How many turnovers do they have?