2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[riah32]

Uh oh...  voting controversy!

Just to further that controversy, I saw this when reviewing the ballots:

1 - Seattle
2 - Buffalo
3 - Dallas
4 - Portland
5 - Golden State
6 - Phoenix
7 - Utah
8 - Sacramento
9 - Houston
10 - Denver
11 - Minnesota
12 - San Antonio
13 - New Orleans
14 - Las Vegas
15 - Memphis

Clearly I'm a lot higher on Brandon Roy and Tim Duncan than the rest of you.

« Last Edit: Yesterday at 05:58:52 am by celticmaestro »

- Once your ballot is posted, there is NO EDITING.  Any ballots found to be edited will be disregarded and may expose the guilty party to punishment if they are a team owner.

It looks like that ballot may get tossed.

I think his only edit was the bottom comment Roy. The votes are still the same.

No idea, nick.  I'll leave it up to Dons; it's not going to effect Portland's seeding either way, I imagine.  It could effect Phoenix, Golden State, or Houston, potentially, but I doubt it.

Well, I have proof as I wrote down all the votes while I calculated them last night and the votes are exactly the same.

I am disappointed that this is being tossed because I am ranked higher in this vote but,


Don was clear.  This vote needs to be tossed because of 'edit'

At least one or two people saw it my way and had Brandon Roy in the playoffs all beit in 8 seed but in the playoffs nontheless.

[indeedproceed]

the last vote from WW changed teh standings, did you have it in your numbers, Nick?

[RebusRankin]

I have to admit I admire Riah's passion.

[riah32]

I have to admit I admire Riah's passion.

thanks Rebus

[bucknersrevenge]

Well that's it. 22 votes

Unoffical results:

1   Buffalo   2   Pacific Division Winner
2   Portland   2.32   NW Division Winner
3   Dallas   5.14   SW Division Winner
4   Seattle   4.64   
5   Phoenix   5.27   
6   Houston   5.64   
7   Golden St   5.88   
8   Utah   7.55   
9   Memphis   9.55   
10   San Antonio   10.59   
11   Minnesota   11.27   
12   Sacramento   11.32   
13   Denver   11.77   
14   New Orleans   12.73   
15   Las Vegas   14.55   

Probable first round matchups:

Buffalo(1) v Utah( 8 )
Seattle(4) v Phoenix(5)

Dallas(3) v Houston(6)
Portland (2) v Golden State (7)

My numbers came out slightly different
1 Braves    44
2 Crotonats 51
3 Sonics    103
4 Mavs      113
5 Suns      116
6 Warriors  123
7 Rockets   126
8 Jazz      146
9 Grizzlies 210
10 Spurs    233
11 TWolves  248
12 Kings    250
13 Nuggets  259
14 Hornets  280
15 Flamings 314

I think Dallas gets the #3 seed so

Buffalo-Utah
Portland-Houston   that should be fun
Dallas-Golden State
Phoenix-Seattle    another good one

Maybe IP needs to check his math.

I'm not calling it strategic voting but I count at least 4 teams there that got screwed.

[RebusRankin]

Which 4?

[bucknersrevenge]

Which 4?

By my count Rockets, Jazz, Spurs and Twolves. All should've been higher in my opinion. But again that's what makes it my opinion. It is what it is.

[Rondo2287]

See here is the thing.  If one person doesnt make it because a stray ballot puts them in last place or something, ya they got screwed.  If the majority of ballots have a team in a range and thats where they end up, I dont think its fair to say that they got screwed.  So much of this is playing up your team and putting teams together that you think people will vote for.  Do I think my team may have been stronger if I kept Arenas? Sure I do, but nobody else would, so I traded him.  Its all part of the game, you gotta realize you arent trying to make what you think is the best team, your trying to make a team that everybody else thinks is the best.

[bucknersrevenge]

See here is the thing.  If one person doesnt make it because a stray ballot puts them in last place or something, ya they got screwed.  If the majority of ballots have a team in a range and thats where they end up, I dont think its fair to say that they got screwed.  So much of this is playing up your team and putting teams together that you think people will vote for.  Do I think my team may have been stronger if I kept Arenas? Sure I do, but nobody else would, so I traded him.  Its all part of the game, you gotta realize you arent trying to make what you think is the best team, your trying to make a team that everybody else thinks is the best.

My friend I guess that is what it comes down to; what a majority decides. But for me the fun in this exercise was just simply putting together a team I liked. I said before I thought Champ's team deserved to be in the playoffs based on what i saw. I thought my own team was good enough too but then again I'm sure every GM feels that way about their own team.

Not to take this on a tangent but just because a "majority" votes a certain way doesn't make it right. dark_lord(who is from now on one of my favorite all-time posters on CB) voted against the majority and even after he was told his vote would be disqualified took it all in stride. Rondo I know it was your team that he voted last but I have a problem with votes not being counted because the majority doesn't agree. The strays should count just as much as the consensus.

[Rondo2287]

The vote wasnt not counted because it went against the majority it was for other reasons.  And you are right that just because the majority thinks one way doesnt make it right, but at the same time, if the majority agrees good or bad there are probably good reasons that the majority voted that way. 

[Roy Hobbs]

Here's what I came up with for the West, first without CM's vote, and then with:

Buffalo: 1 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 5 + 1 + 4 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 2 + 1 + 3 = 42
Portland: 2 + 1 + 3 + 1 + 4 + 2 + 4 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 5 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 3 + 6 = 47
Houston: 3 + 3 + 9 + 9 + 9 + 8 + 3 + 2 + 9 + 3 + 2 + 3 + 8 + 3 + 11 + 1 + 7 + 5 + 7 + 9 + 1 = 115
Seattle: 4 + 5 + 7 + 4 + 1 + 6 + 2 + 5 + 5 + 8 + 3 + 5 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 6 + 5 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 2 = 101
Golden State: 5 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 7 + 1 + 9 + 3 + 7 + 5 + 9 + 4 + 6 + 6 + 5 + 5 + 6 + 3 + 5 + 8 + 10 = 120
Phoenix: 6 + 4 + 5 + 5 + 6 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 4 + 4 + 6 + 6 + 5 + 4 + 4 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 4 + 4 + 4 = 110
Dallas: 7 + 7 + 8 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 10 + 9 + 3 + 6 + 4 + 7 + 3 + 9 + 3 + 4 + 4 + 2 + 3 + 7 + 5 = 110
Utah: 8 + 8 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 7 + 6 + 7 + 6 + 10 + 7 + 9 + 7 + 7 + 9 + 10 + 10 + 7 + 8 + 5 + 7 = 159


Memphis: 9 + 10 + 2 + 8 + 10 + 9 + 15 + 10 + 8 + 7 + 11 + 10 + 9 + 8 + 12 + 12 + 13 + 10 + 9 + 2 + 11 = 195
Sacramento: 10 + 11 + 12 + 12 + 5 + 10 + 12 + 11 + 13 + 13 + 13 + 14 + 10 + 12 + 13 + 11 + 9 + 13 + 11 + 12 + 14 = 241
Minnesota: 11 + 13 + 10 + 11 + 11 + 12 + 7 + 14 + 11 + 12 + 14 + 8 + 13  + 10 + 14 + 7 + 12 + 9 + 13 + 10 + 15 = 237
San Antonio: 12 + 9 + 15 + 13 + 13 + 11 + 8 + 12 + 10 + 11 + 10 + 12 + 11 + 11 + 7 + 9 + 3 + 11 + 10 + 15 + 8 = 221
Denver: 13 + 12 + 13 + 10 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 8  + 12 + 9 + 12 + 13 + 12 + 13 + 8 + 13 + 11 + 14 + 12 + 13 + 12 = 249
Las Vegas: 14 + 15 + 14 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 13 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 14 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 14 + 14 + 14 + 13 = 305
New Orleans: 15 + 14 + 11 + 14 + 14 + 14 + 11 + 13 + 14 + 14 + 8 + 11 + 15 + 14 + 10 + 14 + 14 + 12 + 15 + 11 + 9 = 267

Unfortunately, my numbers are off by 1, as they should add up to 2520, and they instead add up to 2519.  With CM's vote counted, they look like:

1 - Seattle  101 + 1 = 102
2 - Buffalo  42 + 2 = 44
3 - Dallas  110 + 3 = 113
4 - Portland  47 + 4 = 51
5 - Golden State 120 + 5 = 125
6 - Phoenix  110 + 6 = 116
7 - Utah  159 + 7 = 166
8 - Sacramento 241 + 8 = 249
9 - Houston 115 + 9 = 124 
10 - Denver 249 + 10 = 259
11 - Minnesota 237 + 11 = 248
12 - San Antonio 221 + 12 = 233
13 - New Orleans 267 + 13 = 280
14 - Las Vegas 305 + 14 = 319
15 - Memphis 195 + 15 = 210

In either case, the final standings are:

1. Buffalo (42)
2. Portland (47)
3. Dallas (110)
4. Seattle (101)
5. Phoenix (110)
6. Houston (115)
7. Golden State (120)
8. Utah (159)

or

1. Buffalo (44)
2. Portland (51)
3. Dallas (113)
4. Seattle (102)
5. Phoenix (116)
6. Houston (124)
7. Golden State (125)
8. Utah (166)

Which means CM's vote doesn't make a difference for the playoff seedings.

(If anybody wants to find out who I short-changed on a vote, that would be appreciated.  I checked to make sure it wasn't Golden State or Houston.)

[Roy Hobbs]

Not to take this on a tangent but just because a "majority" votes a certain way doesn't make it right. dark_lord(who is from now on one of my favorite all-time posters on CB) voted against the majority and even after he was told his vote would be disqualified took it all in stride. Rondo I know it was your team that he voted last but I have a problem with votes not being counted because the majority doesn't agree. The strays should count just as much as the consensus.

There were extenuating circumstances there, including a lot of information that wasn't made public.  Dons' decision had nothing to do with majority thinking.

[Evantime34]

Which 4?

By my count Rockets, Jazz, Spurs and Twolves. All should've been higher in my opinion. But again that's what makes it my opinion. It is what it is.

I guess it's 5 then, because me as the 7 seed is outlandish.

[nickagneta]

the last vote from WW changed teh standings, did you have it in your numbers, Nick?

Yeah, I think I forgot to add that one in and it certainly would have changed the standings given Houston being voted first and GSW 10th.

That said, all 8 teams I thought were going to make the playoffs out West did and I think the vast majority of voters had those as the top 8 teams, so I don't get where people say they got screwed.

So your 7th instead of 5th or 6th instead of 3rd. So what? Did everyone really expect everyone to love their team.

I freely admitted all along that I know I couldn't build a tourney winner but wanted to make the playoffs and make a run. Knowing that I knew some might not like my team. jgod in a very civil way straight from the get go always expressed his disbelief in my team.  CFF and Champkind were also never big believers in my team. That's cool. Then again there were others who only started saying bad things about my team after I criticized their team. Thin skinned I guess.

But it's part of the game. Take the good with the bad. If you made the playoffs, you probably deserved to considering the amount of votes cast. If you didn't make the playoff, you team probably just wasn't good enough. The avarage of 30 or 22 opinions is enough to be able to tell you where you probably really deserved to stand. It would take close to 6 or 7 vindictive and purposeful lower votes to get someone moved to be out of a position they didn't earn.

[Rondo2287]

the last vote from WW changed teh standings, did you have it in your numbers, Nick?

Yeah, I think I forgot to add that one in and it certainly would have changed the standings given Houston being voted first and GSW 10th.

That said, all 8 teams I thought were going to make the playoffs out West did and I think the vast majority of voters had those as the top 8 teams, so I don't get where people say they got screwed.

So your 7th instead of 5th or 6th instead of 3rd. So what? Did everyone really expect everyone to love their team.

I freely admitted all along that I know I couldn't build a tourney winner but wanted to make the playoffs and make a run. Knowing that I knew some might not like my team. jgod in a very civil way straight from the get go always expressed his disbelief in my team.  CFF and Champkind were also never big believers in my team. That's cool. Then again there were others who only started saying bad things about my team after I criticized their team. Thin skinned I guess.

But it's part of the game. Take the good with the bad. If you made the playoffs, you probably deserved to considering the amount of votes cast. If you didn't make the playoff, you team probably just wasn't good enough. The avarage of 30 or 22 opinions is enough to be able to tell you where you probably really deserved to stand. It would take close to 6 or 7 vindictive and purposeful lower votes to get someone moved to be out of a position they didn't earn.

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