2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[Edgar]

We dont want final  we want those rings..........

Which is why we drafted proven clutch guys like Manu, rather than chokers like Kobe.   

Also, if we're lucky enough to match up with Orlando, I see this happening:

Hinrich passing out of a double team?

Hinrich losing control of the ball.  But, if you think that was a pass, he's welcome to make as many off-balance, flailing passes as he wants against us.

My bad I thought Heinrich was getting close to vomiting due to how ugly delonte is..

 

[Rondo2287]

Better yet, it just looks like there is some real bad BO coming from Delonte's Pit.  Is that the kinda underhanded play they promote in Portland?

[Edgar]

Better yet, it just looks like there is some real bad BO coming from Delonte's Pit.  Is that the kinda underhanded play they promote in Portland?

Delonte is like Chuck Norris, he doesnt sweat

[nickagneta]

Let's compare the players you're talking about, nick:

Karl Malone: 40 years old
Gary Payton: 35 years old
Rick Fox: 34 years old, coming off a season averaging 9.0 points
Byron Russell:  33 years old, had averaged 4.5 points the year before
Devean George: Had averaged 6.9 points the year before
Ime Udoka: rookie who played all of 8 minutes that season
Derek Fischer: 28 years old, had averaged 10.5 points the year before

The Lakers were much older, and much less talented, outside of their top two players.

Shaq will be 38 come playoff time and except for last year has been in a steady decline for 5 years and will be playing in his 18th season.

Manu Ginobelli will be 32 next year and has shown to be a lot slower over the last 2 years with next year being his 13thor 14th professional year playing ball.

Jermaine O'Neal will be 31 but in his 13th season next year having averaged 54 games per year over the last 5 years and only 13 points and 6 rebounds per over the last 3 years.

Mike Bibby will be 32 during the playoffs next year and has slowed considerably and will be playing in his 12th professional season.

All three of these guys will figure into your roation prominently and all have shown recent decline and all are going into their 12th or more professional season.

I'm not trying to crucify your team Roy, I just think it's somehing you seem to be conveniently overlooking.

[Roy Hobbs]

I'm not trying to crucify your team Roy, I just think it's somehing you seem to be conveniently overlooking.

I just don't see 30 to 32 as being that old, nick.  I don't think I'm conveniently overlooking it, I just don't think it's the case.  Look at the championship Celtics.  Look at the championship Bulls.  They all had guys who were that age, or older.  There are plenty of other examples, too.

As for Shaq, he's not the player he was five years ago, no question.  However, he was an all-star last season and led all qualified players in FG%.  Could he drop off a cliff this season?  Sure he could.  I just don't think it's very likely.  When Shaq is motivated, he's still one of the best centers in the NBA, even at this advanced stage. 

As we've said in the past, though, Portland's fate will be decided at the six-month mark.  At that point, we'll see how much decline our guys have shown.  If you're proven right, we'll admit it.  If our guys are cruising along and are healthy, though, I hope other people (not necessarily yourself) will be equally candid and admit it, as well.

[indeedproceed]

I'm not trying to crucify your team Roy, I just think it's somehing you seem to be conveniently overlooking.

I just don't see 30 to 32 as being that old, nick.  I don't think I'm conveniently overlooking it, I just don't think it's the case.  Look at the championship Celtics.  Look at the championship Bulls.  They all had guys who were that age, or older.  There are plenty of other examples, too.

As for Shaq, he's not the player he was five years ago, no question.  However, he was an all-star last season and led all qualified players in FG%.  Could he drop off a cliff this season?  Sure he could.  I just don't think it's very likely.  When Shaq is motivated, he's still one of the best centers in the NBA, even at this advanced stage. 

As we've said in the past, though, Portland's fate will be decided at the six-month mark.  At that point, we'll see how much decline our guys have shown.  If you're proven right, we'll admit it.  If our guys are cruising along and are healthy, though, I hope other people (not necessarily yourself) will be equally candid and admit it, as well.

32 can mean different things to different players too.

to Karl Malone it meant nn MVP season. Looks like for Manu its the beginning of the end. For Bruce Bowen it was the beginning of a resurgence in his career.

Its all about the player's genetics, playing style, and off season habits.

[nickagneta]

I'm not trying to crucify your team Roy, I just think it's somehing you seem to be conveniently overlooking.

I just don't see 30 to 32 as being that old, nick.  I don't think I'm conveniently overlooking it, I just don't think it's the case.  Look at the championship Celtics.  Look at the championship Bulls.  They all had guys who were that age, or older.  There are plenty of other examples, too.

As for Shaq, he's not the player he was five years ago, no question.  However, he was an all-star last season and led all qualified players in FG%.  Could he drop off a cliff this season?  Sure he could.  I just don't think it's very likely.  When Shaq is motivated, he's still one of the best centers in the NBA, even at this advanced stage. 

As we've said in the past, though, Portland's fate will be decided at the six-month mark.  At that point, we'll see how much decline our guys have shown.  If you're proven right, we'll admit it.  If our guys are cruising along and are healthy, though, I hope other people (not necessarily yourself) will be equally candid and admit it, as well.

But the C's and Bulls stars weren't in decline as seriously as your players have been recently and I think # of years played has a big bearing on this.

We will see but I don't think I'm alone amongst the league owners in looking at you roster and seeing a bunch of pretty good starting NBA players but no super duper stars and that the players who are stars are in decline and/or coming of serious injuries.

I think it will cost you dearly at the first voting but you could, if all your players prove they can bounce back in the real NBA, take it all at the half way, second vote. I just think people will be leery do to the recent history of your prominent rotation players.

[Roy Hobbs]

I'm not trying to crucify your team Roy, I just think it's somehing you seem to be conveniently overlooking.

I just don't see 30 to 32 as being that old, nick.  I don't think I'm conveniently overlooking it, I just don't think it's the case.  Look at the championship Celtics.  Look at the championship Bulls.  They all had guys who were that age, or older.  There are plenty of other examples, too.

As for Shaq, he's not the player he was five years ago, no question.  However, he was an all-star last season and led all qualified players in FG%.  Could he drop off a cliff this season?  Sure he could.  I just don't think it's very likely.  When Shaq is motivated, he's still one of the best centers in the NBA, even at this advanced stage. 

As we've said in the past, though, Portland's fate will be decided at the six-month mark.  At that point, we'll see how much decline our guys have shown.  If you're proven right, we'll admit it.  If our guys are cruising along and are healthy, though, I hope other people (not necessarily yourself) will be equally candid and admit it, as well.

32 can mean different things to different players too.

to Karl Malone it meant nn MVP season. Looks like for Manu its the beginning of the end. For Bruce Bowen it was the beginning of a resurgence in his career.

Its all about the player's genetics, playing style, and off season habits.

Like I said, talk to us in six months.  Manu had one injury, which he came back from too soon due to loyalty to the Spurs and his national team.

I'd suggest people watch some Spurs games this year, if they think Manu is washed up.

[Roy Hobbs]

We will see but I don't think I'm alone amongst the league owners in looking at you roster and seeing a bunch of pretty good starting NBA players but no super duper stars and that the players who are stars are in decline and/or coming of serious injuries.

That's fine, nick.  I'd take our team against any of the others out there.  There is tough competition for us in the West, without question.  However, in "real life", I think this team would be hard to stop.

Manu Ginobili isn't "in decline".  He had an injury.  Michael Redd hasn't shown major signs of decline, either.  Rashard Lewis is in his prime.  Bibby is healthy and has looked good.  We're not asking Jermaine to be anything other than what he was.

We have plenty of young veterans on our bench, too.  However, if the "they're too old" mantra is what it takes for people to justify voting against Portland, that's fine.  I think some GMs are fooling themselves, but they're entitled to their opinion.  We look forward to the "6 month review".

[Kwhit10]

Don't worry everyone all our questions will be answered in February.

[Roy Hobbs]

Don't worry everyone all our questions will be answered in February.

I think that's probably the right answer.

If not then, then in July.

[Kwhit10]

Don't worry everyone all our questions will be answered in February.

I think that's probably the right answer.

If not then, then in July.

Yea but I know that won't stop any of us arguing until our mouths fall off.

[nickagneta]

We will see but I don't think I'm alone amongst the league owners in looking at you roster and seeing a bunch of pretty good starting NBA players but no super duper stars and that the players who are stars are in decline and/or coming of serious injuries.

That's fine, nick.  I'd take our team against any of the others out there.  There is tough competition for us in the West, without question.  However, in "real life", I think this team would be hard to stop.

Manu Ginobili isn't "in decline".  He had an injury.  Michael Redd hasn't shown major signs of decline, either.  Rashard Lewis is in his prime.  Bibby is healthy and has looked good.  We're not asking Jermaine to be anything other than what he was.

We have plenty of young veterans on our bench, too.  However, if the "they're too old" mantra is what it takes for people to justify voting against Portland, that's fine.  I think some GMs are fooling themselves, but they're entitled to their opinion.

I have never claimed your team to be too old. I said they were similar to the Laker swho were old and who's players were in serious decline and that is what I think is you teams problem and I think it has nothing to do with age but number of years played, number of games played, off season conditioning, attitude, genetics, etc. Jermaine has been in a steady decline for 3 years after he peaked at 28 years old. Bibby's best years are behind him also. Shaq as well and I think Manu too. He did not look good last year or the later half of the year before when he did play. And let's face it neither Jermaine, Manu or Bibby are genetic freaks on the scale of MJ, Pippen, Ray Allen or KG. They are more basketball players first who have good NBA bodies, not long enduring athletic ones like Malone, Parish, Jabbar and the like.

[Rondo2287]

Lets switch topics, so how bout that Atlantic?

[Hoyo de Monterrey]

Lets switch topics, so how bout that Atlantic?

Colder then you think this time of year, all the rain has really ruined July for beach weather. The fishing's not bad though. I recommend it.