Marbury may have to re-consider C's offer; would you take him back? (merged)

[Finkelskyhook]

Let's not mention how he was a huge contributor to Katrina relief, one of the top if not the top contributor in the NBA.

??  By fake crying in front of the media???  I'll bet that helped his image but did little else. 

Instead of pledging x-amount he should have given his whole salary back because he sure as hell wasn't earning it by refusing to play and by making an ass of himself for three seasons.  

Even if Marbury played to his potential it wouldn't be conducive to winning basketball...His history speaks to that.  He plays no defense on a team that stresses defense.  I just have no use for Marbury and never have.

[LooseCannon]

Does anybody realize how many superstars we can have on this team with KG,PP,Ray,Rondo,Sheed,Marbury and BBD,Perk who are almost superstars.

Um, dude, one of these names is really, really below the others, and I'm not talking about Starbury.

I must've missed the era where Marbury was a superstar.  Marbury is way below everybody on that list.  Like Iverson.  Great stats....Career loser.  Like Iverson, some brain dead GM will overpay Marbury....But the vet minimum is overpaying either one of them if your goal is to win games.  If your goal is to sell jerseys and shoes, pick them up.

I hope you realize that I was talking about Glen Davis.  It's sort of laughable that some people think that Big Baby is a future All-Star ready to bust out and not just a chunky role player.  There's no way Davis has a better career than Marbury.

[wdleehi]

Let's not mention how he was a huge contributor to Katrina relief, one of the top if not the top contributor in the NBA.

??  By fake crying in front of the media???  I'll bet that helped his image but did little else. 

Instead of pledging x-amount he should have given his whole salary back because he sure as hell wasn't earning it by refusing to play and by making an ass of himself for three seasons.  

Even if Marbury played to his potential it wouldn't be conducive to winning basketball...His history speaks to that.  He plays no defense on a team that stresses defense.  I just have no use for Marbury and never have.

Marbury has been very socially conscientious.  He has done good things for communities. 


But that has nothing to do with him and the Celtics.

[star18]

BBD can be a future all star.   Why not? He is only going on his 3rd year and really played well at the end of last season, especially the buzzer beater push the kid out of the way play in Orlando

[vagrantwade]

Let's not mention how he was a huge contributor to Katrina relief, one of the top if not the top contributor in the NBA.

??  By fake crying in front of the media???  I'll bet that helped his image but did little else. 

Instead of pledging x-amount he should have given his whole salary back because he sure as hell wasn't earning it by refusing to play and by making an ass of himself for three seasons.  

Even if Marbury played to his potential it wouldn't be conducive to winning basketball...His history speaks to that.  He plays no defense on a team that stresses defense.  I just have no use for Marbury and never have.

Closet Knicks fan?

He refused to play after they REFUSED to play him. Make an ass of out of himself for 3 season?

Yep, closet Knicks fan. Making stuff up.

[mgent]

Marbury was an all star player for a lot of his career.  It's just that PG can't carry a team the same way a Center or a SG can.  They need an outlet.
If he played SG i think he would be a lot more like Iverson (back when he was Starbury).

[hwangjini_1]

BBD can be a future all star.   Why not? He is only going on his 3rd year and really played well at the end of last season, especially the buzzer beater push the kid out of the way play in Orlando

why not?

1. he is too short to play under the basket, which is often a problem if you are an all star pf. he has trouble putting the ball in the basket with taller players around. not a normal trait of all star pfs.

2. he is too slow to consistently beat guys off the dribble, which, can a problem given #1.

3. he defense is not bad, but not stellar. he has neither the height nor speed to keep up with real all stars.

4. once the big 3 are gone and defenses focus on bbd, his offensive game will drop off significantly. bbd benefits quite a bit from being the 3rd to 4th option on offense since most defenses dont double team him most of the time. all stars such as KG still put up big numbers even when double teamed.

5. rebounding is NOT his strength, though it is for many all star pfs. see points 1 and 2 above. league average for rebounding was 4.8 and bbd averaged only 4 per game. he had exactly 4 games with 10 or more rebounds, two required over 40 minutes to achieve that. 4 games with 10+ is ok, but not all star pf numbers.

6. he averaged .3 blocks a game. for a pf, that is not an all star average for blocks....but it is the same average as scal.

i like davis. i like davis on the celtics. but as one poster wrote - he is chunky, undersized pf.

[Edgar]

Im just in denyal now so answering.......

BBD can be a future all star.   Why not? He is only going on his 3rd year and really played well at the end of last season, especially the buzzer beater push the kid out of the way play in Orlando

why not?

1. he is too short to play under the basket, which is often a problem if you are an all star pf. he has trouble putting the ball in the basket with taller players around. not a normal trait of all star pfs.

See Barkley, Charles

2. he is too slow to consistently beat guys off the dribble, which, can a problem given #1.

See Pierce, Paul

3. he defense is not bad, but not stellar. he has neither the height nor speed to keep up with real all stars.

See Pierce, Paul

4. once the big 3 are gone and defenses focus on bbd, his offensive game will drop off significantly. bbd benefits quite a bit from being the 3rd to 4th option on offense since most defenses dont double team him most of the time. all stars such as KG still put up big numbers even when double teamed.

See Hamilton, Rip

5. rebounding is NOT his strength, though it is for many all star pfs. see points 1 and 2 above. league average for rebounding was 4.8 and bbd averaged only 4 per game. he had exactly 4 games with 10 or more rebounds, two required over 40 minutes to achieve that. 4 games with 10+ is ok, but not all star pf numbers.

See,  succesfull tweeners

6. he averaged .3 blocks a game. for a pf, that is not an all star average for blocks....but it is the same average as scal.


See Scalabrine...brian....3 mills...

[crownsy]

Let's not mention how he was a huge contributor to Katrina relief, one of the top if not the top contributor in the NBA.

??  By fake crying in front of the media???  I'll bet that helped his image but did little else. 

Instead of pledging x-amount he should have given his whole salary back because he sure as hell wasn't earning it by refusing to play and by making an ass of himself for three seasons.  

Even if Marbury played to his potential it wouldn't be conducive to winning basketball...His history speaks to that.  He plays no defense on a team that stresses defense.  I just have no use for Marbury and never have.

Closet Knicks fan?

He refused to play after they REFUSED to play him. Make an ass of out of himself for 3 season?

Yep, closet Knicks fan. Making stuff up.

Come on man, don;t start that. I know you're a steph fan, and i personally wouldn't have any problem at all with him being back at the minimum, but there's no reason to start calling people knicks fan's because they don't take steph's side in that spat  .

Steph has had a lot of character issues (which i know, some here believe he has never had any fault in) before he even got to NYC. He earned my nod for another stint by keeping his mouth shut and playing team basketball (sometimes to a fault) but to deny that he's had his...rough moments in the past is just as bad as exaggerating those moments to the extreme.

Steph made his own bed, and he had to lie in it. To his credit, the first shot he got back he was a model citizen, and i hope that's how he continues going forward, in a green uniform or not, but people aren't going to ignore his past on his fan's say so.

[Evantime34]

Im just in denyal now so answering.......

BBD can be a future all star.   Why not? He is only going on his 3rd year and really played well at the end of last season, especially the buzzer beater push the kid out of the way play in Orlando

why not?

1. he is too short to play under the basket, which is often a problem if you are an all star pf. he has trouble putting the ball in the basket with taller players around. not a normal trait of all star pfs.

See Barkley, Charles

2. he is too slow to consistently beat guys off the dribble, which, can a problem given #1.

See Pierce, Paul

3. he defense is not bad, but not stellar. he has neither the height nor speed to keep up with real all stars.

See Pierce, Paul

4. once the big 3 are gone and defenses focus on bbd, his offensive game will drop off significantly. bbd benefits quite a bit from being the 3rd to 4th option on offense since most defenses dont double team him most of the time. all stars such as KG still put up big numbers even when double teamed.

See Hamilton, Rip

5. rebounding is NOT his strength, though it is for many all star pfs. see points 1 and 2 above. league average for rebounding was 4.8 and bbd averaged only 4 per game. he had exactly 4 games with 10 or more rebounds, two required over 40 minutes to achieve that. 4 games with 10+ is ok, but not all star pf numbers.

See,  succesfull tweeners

6. he averaged .3 blocks a game. for a pf, that is not an all star average for blocks....but it is the same average as scal.


See Scalabrine...brian....3 mills...

Big Baby is going to get better, and if you are signing him to 5 million or less you don't need him to be an all star, you need him to be a decent bench guy.
If his shooting improves at the same rate he could end up being a deadly shooter, just look at the difference between his first and second year.
As he loses weight you will see him able to get more lift which will help him finish. His defense will improve as he loses weight, because he won't lose strength and he'll gain agility.

[crownsy]

Im just in denyal now so answering.......

BBD can be a future all star.   Why not? He is only going on his 3rd year and really played well at the end of last season, especially the buzzer beater push the kid out of the way play in Orlando

why not?

1. he is too short to play under the basket, which is often a problem if you are an all star pf. he has trouble putting the ball in the basket with taller players around. not a normal trait of all star pfs.

See Barkley, Charles

2. he is too slow to consistently beat guys off the dribble, which, can a problem given #1.

See Pierce, Paul

3. he defense is not bad, but not stellar. he has neither the height nor speed to keep up with real all stars.

See Pierce, Paul

4. once the big 3 are gone and defenses focus on bbd, his offensive game will drop off significantly. bbd benefits quite a bit from being the 3rd to 4th option on offense since most defenses dont double team him most of the time. all stars such as KG still put up big numbers even when double teamed.

See Hamilton, Rip

5. rebounding is NOT his strength, though it is for many all star pfs. see points 1 and 2 above. league average for rebounding was 4.8 and bbd averaged only 4 per game. he had exactly 4 games with 10 or more rebounds, two required over 40 minutes to achieve that. 4 games with 10+ is ok, but not all star pf numbers.

See,  succesfull tweeners

6. he averaged .3 blocks a game. for a pf, that is not an all star average for blocks....but it is the same average as scal.


See Scalabrine...brian....3 mills...

Big Baby is going to get better, and if you are signing him to 5 million or less you don't need him to be an all star, you need him to be a decent bench guy.
If his shooting improves at the same rate he could end up being a deadly shooter, just look at the difference between his first and second year.
As he loses weight you will see him able to get more lift which will help him finish. His defense will improve as he loses weight, because he won't lose strength and he'll gain agility.

what makes you think he'll suddenly lose weight since it's been talked about for two years and he hasn't yet? Or that his shot will have a cap of "deadly"? will he be growing 2 inches so he can gaurd the elite PF's of the league during this breakout as well?

This eval is nice for a first round top pick with tons of upside, it assumes he'll steadily improve in every single area, to the point of becoming a "deadly" jump shooter.

IMO that's not realistic. He's a good bench player, period. those type of players are in no way, shape or form, worth 5 millon dollars, doubly so  ones who are in their third year.

I'm very ok with BBD at 3, even stretch it to four mill, but anything else, i wish him luck with his new team.

[star18]

This is only BBD's 3rd year, plenty of time to improve to be an all star.  Not saying it is definetly going to happen, but there is still a legitimate chance.

[Edgar]

This is only BBD's 3rd year, plenty of time to improve to be an all star.  Not saying it is definetly going to happen, but there is still a  chance.

[Evantime34]

Im just in denyal now so answering.......

BBD can be a future all star.   Why not? He is only going on his 3rd year and really played well at the end of last season, especially the buzzer beater push the kid out of the way play in Orlando

why not?

1. he is too short to play under the basket, which is often a problem if you are an all star pf. he has trouble putting the ball in the basket with taller players around. not a normal trait of all star pfs.

See Barkley, Charles

2. he is too slow to consistently beat guys off the dribble, which, can a problem given #1.

See Pierce, Paul

3. he defense is not bad, but not stellar. he has neither the height nor speed to keep up with real all stars.

See Pierce, Paul

4. once the big 3 are gone and defenses focus on bbd, his offensive game will drop off significantly. bbd benefits quite a bit from being the 3rd to 4th option on offense since most defenses dont double team him most of the time. all stars such as KG still put up big numbers even when double teamed.

See Hamilton, Rip

5. rebounding is NOT his strength, though it is for many all star pfs. see points 1 and 2 above. league average for rebounding was 4.8 and bbd averaged only 4 per game. he had exactly 4 games with 10 or more rebounds, two required over 40 minutes to achieve that. 4 games with 10+ is ok, but not all star pf numbers.

See,  succesfull tweeners

6. he averaged .3 blocks a game. for a pf, that is not an all star average for blocks....but it is the same average as scal.


See Scalabrine...brian....3 mills...

Big Baby is going to get better, and if you are signing him to 5 million or less you don't need him to be an all star, you need him to be a decent bench guy.
If his shooting improves at the same rate he could end up being a deadly shooter, just look at the difference between his first and second year.
As he loses weight you will see him able to get more lift which will help him finish. His defense will improve as he loses weight, because he won't lose strength and he'll gain agility.

what makes you think he'll suddenly lose weight since it's been talked about for two years and he hasn't yet? Or that his shot will have a cap of "deadly"? will he be growing 2 inches so he can gaurd the elite PF's of the league during this breakout as well?

This eval is nice for a first round top pick with tons of upside, it assumes he'll steadily improve in every single area, to the point of becoming a "deadly" jump shooter.

IMO that's not realistic. He's a good bench player, period. those type of players are in no way, shape or form, worth 5 millon dollars, doubly so  ones who are in their third year.

I'm very ok with BBD at 3, even stretch it to four mill, but anything else, i wish him luck with his new team.

I admit that I might have gone overboard in saying that he'd become a deadly jump shooter. Maybe I even suggested that he would be better in every aspect of his game. However, you've got to meet me in the middle. His game now is not his ceiling. He has lost weight in each of his years on the team, he is still young and has room to improve. I still believe he will be a good starter in the league.

[crownsy]

Im just in denyal now so answering.......

BBD can be a future all star.   Why not? He is only going on his 3rd year and really played well at the end of last season, especially the buzzer beater push the kid out of the way play in Orlando

why not?

1. he is too short to play under the basket, which is often a problem if you are an all star pf. he has trouble putting the ball in the basket with taller players around. not a normal trait of all star pfs.

See Barkley, Charles

2. he is too slow to consistently beat guys off the dribble, which, can a problem given #1.

See Pierce, Paul

3. he defense is not bad, but not stellar. he has neither the height nor speed to keep up with real all stars.

See Pierce, Paul

4. once the big 3 are gone and defenses focus on bbd, his offensive game will drop off significantly. bbd benefits quite a bit from being the 3rd to 4th option on offense since most defenses dont double team him most of the time. all stars such as KG still put up big numbers even when double teamed.

See Hamilton, Rip

5. rebounding is NOT his strength, though it is for many all star pfs. see points 1 and 2 above. league average for rebounding was 4.8 and bbd averaged only 4 per game. he had exactly 4 games with 10 or more rebounds, two required over 40 minutes to achieve that. 4 games with 10+ is ok, but not all star pf numbers.

See,  succesfull tweeners

6. he averaged .3 blocks a game. for a pf, that is not an all star average for blocks....but it is the same average as scal.


See Scalabrine...brian....3 mills...

Big Baby is going to get better, and if you are signing him to 5 million or less you don't need him to be an all star, you need him to be a decent bench guy.
If his shooting improves at the same rate he could end up being a deadly shooter, just look at the difference between his first and second year.
As he loses weight you will see him able to get more lift which will help him finish. His defense will improve as he loses weight, because he won't lose strength and he'll gain agility.

what makes you think he'll suddenly lose weight since it's been talked about for two years and he hasn't yet? Or that his shot will have a cap of "deadly"? will he be growing 2 inches so he can gaurd the elite PF's of the league during this breakout as well?

This eval is nice for a first round top pick with tons of upside, it assumes he'll steadily improve in every single area, to the point of becoming a "deadly" jump shooter.

IMO that's not realistic. He's a good bench player, period. those type of players are in no way, shape or form, worth 5 millon dollars, doubly so  ones who are in their third year.

I'm very ok with BBD at 3, even stretch it to four mill, but anything else, i wish him luck with his new team.

I admit that I might have gone overboard in saying that he'd become a deadly jump shooter. Maybe I even suggested that he would be better in every aspect of his game. However, you've got to meet me in the middle. His game now is not his ceiling. He has lost weight in each of his years on the team, he is still young and has room to improve. I still believe he will be a good starter in the league.

can you prove to me he's lost weight each year evan?

because to me he looks slightly over his college weight, down from his draft disaster that took him out of the first round...

I'm not saying i think BBD isn't a useful NBA player, but he's a good 7th or 8th man to have on your team, and im not paying that guy 5 million dollars. thats 6th man/ starter money.