The Ray-Rondo trade rumor (Amare) + new idea

[winsomme]

I was just contemplating the Amare/Barbosa/14th pick for Ray and Rondo trade idea/rumor.

My biggest problem with that actual idea is that Amare's health is not at all certain. I saw him on First Take, and he can't even run yet because of that detached retina that he had operated on.

He's going to have to wear special eye gear for the rest of his career because it keeps happening.

I really like Amare as a player and certainly hope the best for him health-wise, but I would be worried about it.

Anyway, it got me to thinking about this particular package (Ray and Rondo) and i think the only player i could feel good about doing this deal for is Chris Paul (possibly along with a Posey). add in TA and also take back MoPete to sweeten the deal.

NO fits a financially challenged franchise that would consider moving a big star like Paul and would be getting back the salary relief plus a REALLY good player in Rondo.

The only others I can think of are DWade (don't think he is going anywhere, though) and OKC for the #3 pick + Collison, Sefolosha, Watson et al.

With #3 we take Rubio and refill Rondo's departure, plus the front court with Collison and the back court with Watson and Seofolosha.

Idea #1 gets you:

CP3/Eddie
PP/MoPete/JR
Posey/Walker
KG/Powe/
Perk/Baby/FA

Idea #2 gets you:

Rubio/Watson
Sefolohsa/TA/Walker
PP/FA (Hill?)
KG/Powe/Baby
Perk/Collison/FA(Swift,Theo?)


personally, i would rather give GPA another run this year adding a guy like Sheed to the mix, but just having a little fun with trade ideas.

[SSFan V]

I was just contemplating the Amare/Barbosa/14th pick for Ray and Rondo trade idea/rumor.

personally, i would rather give GPA another run this year adding a guy like Sheed to the mix, but just having a little fun with trade ideas.

I spent a lot of time thinking about the GPA mix & Wyc's comments last evening before going to bed and this is what I have come up with:

Ainge and crew saw what last year's team was on track to do and I think they all realized that they made some mistakes with relation to the bench.  The value of the expiring contracts in this day in age and over the next 3 years the Celts have 3 very large ones that are expiring. 

It's my opinion that the Celts management will be willing to over pay (luxury tax) for a more talented bench to support KGA this year and then evaluate the letting go of Ray, Paul & KG has their contracts come up and young and up and coming free agents become available (For example, Ray's contract expires, Celts use the slot to get Joe Johnson or Michael Redd). 

So I am on record saying the Celts keep KPA together this year with an eye on 2010.

[cordobes]

The Hornets will never trade Chris Paul for less than a bona-fide superstar, another top-10 player in the league.

I'd never do the second trade for the Celtics. Rubio is a rookie who needs to develop some essential parts of the game and it's far from a given that you'd get him with the #3 pick; I like Sefolosha a lot but he's a role-player, albeit an extremely competent one; Collison is a solid backup and Watson is not even that. I don't think we'd have good chances of winning the title next season with that roster.

[Celtics17]

It's kind of amazing how quickly we forget the post season that Rondo had! This guy was spectacular and I know the Orland series wasnt his best but only because Orlando made him the player to stop. If KG were playing and Ray and Paul weren't worn out Rondo would have killed them too. He is no longer a superstar in the making he has arrived. We can get much more for Ray's expiring contract then Amare and Barbosa, maybe not overall better players but players who fit our team better. You just don't trade a guy like Rondo, especially when he is nowhere close to his prime.

[MrTripleDouble10]

This trade, or any other trades that involve MAJOR core players (starting 5 essentially) will not happen this year, period.  Now, if this was June, 2010 I would tend to think some of these could have an ounce of truth.  Let's be logical here.  Why would the Celtics even contemplate messing around with their core group right now?

If KG doesn't get hurt, it's a Celtics/Lakers rematch right now, simple as that.  I know a lot of people love this offseason madness, but trust me, the only roster moves that you should expect happening are signing a midlevel exception player like McDyess, Sheed, Grant Hill, etc.

Maybe another lower level FA, but remember they also have to re-sign BBD and/or Powe as well.  These crazy rumors give me a chuckle.

[winsomme]

The Hornets will never trade Chris Paul for less than a bona-fide superstar, another top-10 player in the league.

I'd never do the second trade for the Celtics. Rubio is a rookie who needs to develop some essential parts of the game and it's far from a given that you'd get him with the #3 pick; I like Sefolosha a lot but he's a role-player, albeit an extremely competent one; Collison is a solid backup and Watson is not even that. I don't think we'd have good chances of winning the title next season with that roster.

NO would be getting a lot of salary relief and getting a top 5 PG in and a year of maybe the best shooter in the league in return. it really would depend on how much they need to move money.

Is there a way to take on Peja and CP3? that would be even more money off the books.

as for Rubio not being there at #3, maybe you don't seal the deal until the pick is made...clearly you would have to be EXTREMELY high on Rubio to do that deal.

[Jon Niednagel]

I could see a Richardson, Barbosa, and the 14th pick for Ray Allen. Suns save a ton of money and the C's add some depth. I just can't imagine the Celtics would consider the other deal involving Rondo.

[BballTim]

I was just contemplating the Amare/Barbosa/14th pick for Ray and Rondo trade idea/rumor.

personally, i would rather give GPA another run this year adding a guy like Sheed to the mix, but just having a little fun with trade ideas.

I spent a lot of time thinking about the GPA mix & Wyc's comments last evening before going to bed and this is what I have come up with:

  Just for clarification, did Wyc make some comments last evening or did you spend last evening thinking about comments Wyc made lsat week?

[Moranis]

I could see a Richardson, Barbosa, and the 14th pick for Ray Allen. Suns save a ton of money and the C's add some depth. I just can't imagine the Celtics would consider the other deal involving Rondo.

That's a pretty good deal for both teams.  And obviously you don't include Rondo unless you get Amare back.

[action781]

I don't see why Rondo and Amare are even involved in trade talks.

Amare joins a crowded frontcourt leaving a hole at pg in boston. 

Rondo joins a team with an elite pg leaving a hole at pf in phoenix.

This just doesn't make sense for either team.  The Ray allen/j-rich one is the only thing i've seen that makes any real sense in this thread.

[Who]

I could see a Richardson, Barbosa, and the 14th pick for Ray Allen. Suns save a ton of money and the C's add some depth. I just can't imagine the Celtics would consider the other deal involving Rondo.

That's a pretty good deal for both teams.  And obviously you don't include Rondo unless you get Amare back.

I'm very disappointed in Jason Richardson. It's like he's lost his passion for the game. That fire he once had while playing in GSW, I didn't see that at all last season.

I was also unhappy at his declining defensive, and rebounding, efforts after moving to Phoenix. Gone are the days where he was one of the best rebounding two guards in the league, and he hasn't played defense anywhere near the level he played at while in Golden State.

J-Rich was someone who thought could be a good Ray Allen replacement a year or so ago, but I'm no longer certain of that now. I'm worried about him, I think he's been on losing teams for too long and has lost some of his love for the game.

[Who]

I could see a Richardson, Barbosa, and the 14th pick for Ray Allen. Suns save a ton of money and the C's add some depth. I just can't imagine the Celtics would consider the other deal involving Rondo.

That's a pretty good deal for both teams.  And obviously you don't include Rondo unless you get Amare back.

I'm very disappointed in Jason Richardson. It's like he's lost his passion for the game. That fire he once had while playing in GSW, I didn't see that at all last season.

I was also unhappy at his declining defensive, and rebounding, efforts after moving to Phoenix. Gone are the days where he was one of the best rebounding two guards in the league, and he hasn't played defense anywhere near the level he played at while in Golden State.

J-Rich was someone who thought could be a good Ray Allen replacement a year or so ago, but I'm no longer certain of that now. I'm worried about him, I think he's been on losing teams for too long and has lost some of his love for the game.

Just to add -- Excellent trade for Phoenix.

Risky trade for Boston that could play out in either direction. I'd like to see the C's pass on it, not certain enough about it to break up the Big Three due to my concerns/disappointments of Richardson.

[MrTripleDouble10]

I could see a Richardson, Barbosa, and the 14th pick for Ray Allen. Suns save a ton of money and the C's add some depth. I just can't imagine the Celtics would consider the other deal involving Rondo.

That's a pretty good deal for both teams.  And obviously you don't include Rondo unless you get Amare back.

I'm very disappointed in Jason Richardson. It's like he's lost his passion for the game. That fire he once had while playing in GSW, I didn't see that at all last season.

I was also unhappy at his declining defensive, and rebounding, efforts after moving to Phoenix. Gone are the days where he was one of the best rebounding two guards in the league, and he hasn't played defense anywhere near the level he played at while in Golden State.

J-Rich was someone who thought could be a good Ray Allen replacement a year or so ago, but I'm no longer certain of that now. I'm worried about him, I think he's been on losing teams for too long and has lost some of his love for the game.

And when exactly was Jason Richardson ever considered anything but a scorer?  He played zero defense in GS and had modest rebounding numbers.

[SSFan V]

I was just contemplating the Amare/Barbosa/14th pick for Ray and Rondo trade idea/rumor.

personally, i would rather give GPA another run this year adding a guy like Sheed to the mix, but just having a little fun with trade ideas.

I spent a lot of time thinking about the GPA mix & Wyc's comments last evening before going to bed and this is what I have come up with:

  Just for clarification, did Wyc make some comments last evening or did you spend last evening thinking about comments Wyc made lsat week?

last week's comments about the luxury tax and free agents.

[Who]

I could see a Richardson, Barbosa, and the 14th pick for Ray Allen. Suns save a ton of money and the C's add some depth. I just can't imagine the Celtics would consider the other deal involving Rondo.

That's a pretty good deal for both teams.  And obviously you don't include Rondo unless you get Amare back.

I'm very disappointed in Jason Richardson. It's like he's lost his passion for the game. That fire he once had while playing in GSW, I didn't see that at all last season.

I was also unhappy at his declining defensive, and rebounding, efforts after moving to Phoenix. Gone are the days where he was one of the best rebounding two guards in the league, and he hasn't played defense anywhere near the level he played at while in Golden State.

J-Rich was someone who thought could be a good Ray Allen replacement a year or so ago, but I'm no longer certain of that now. I'm worried about him, I think he's been on losing teams for too long and has lost some of his love for the game.

And when exactly was Jason Richardson ever considered anything but a scorer?  He played zero defense in GS and had modest rebounding numbers.

I disagree

Richardson averaged 5.8 to 6.7 rebounds a game for three straight years for the Warriors. That's great rebounding production for a two guard and was amongst the best totals for SGs during those seasons.

Edit: I just looked it up, Richardson led all guards in rebounding that year (2003/04) he averaged 6.7 boards a game.

Jason Richardson also played very good defense early in his career (first two seasons) before developing his scoring. He then played good defense for Musselman and good defense under Nellie.