SF's that the Celtics can acquire via trade

[droopdog7]

With all due respect, all of those names seem inadequate.  The Celtics need *athletic* players.  Players like Mikael Pietrus, who they didn't want last year (http://celticshub.com/2009/05/21/memory-lane/).  Players like Trevor Ariza.  Players like Courtney Lee.  Players like JR Smith.

The Celtics need *someone* on the bench who, if they are playing well, can use their athleticism to make a big contribution.  They have no players like that right now. . . .unless you think Walker is the answer -- now I think he actually has lots of potential, but Doc does not seem like a big fan.

The way we are built, with one of the big three always on the court, I think we need shooting more than athleticism.  So I would just say no to someone like Donhtey Jones and yes to someone like Matt Barnes.

[pearljammer10]

Gerald Wallace, Prince, Posey, and the other guys you mention from teams looking to slash payroll would all be excellent...But what about our payroll? We over the cap as it is and adding another big contract such as one of these guys will definitely put us over the top. Plus we want to give Rondo and extension...This is going to be one interesting offseason.

[Chris]

I think the Nocioni trade that was discussed at the deadline will be revisited in the offseason.  I am not sure if there is a match there or not, but I fully expect it to at least be discussed.  The real question will be whether Big Baby will be a part of it.  He supposedly was part of the rumored trade in February, and if the Kings really like him, he could be part as a sign and trade, making it even easier to match salaries.

if that did go down then we would be have a Big Baby-sized hole in the front court. Yikes!

Sheed and Nocioni would probably be able to hold the fort down until Leon came back...hmm, interesting.

Yeah, it would have to be in conjunction with the signing of another big man.

The other thing is that if they sign and trade Davis, with say, Tony Allen, then they would still have Scal as depth up front.  If you had a big man rotation of KG, Perk, Sheed or McDyess, Nocioni, and Scal, with Powe coming back the last couple months of the season, it wouldn't be bad.  They could also sign a vet minimum big guy as insurance.

I think i would be down with that. contingent on the big being a legit player and not a project like a Swift, etc...

how would that work out for us salary-wise? Would be be back in the 80 mil zone?

Oh yeah, I think no matter what, they need to be going after one of the top big men out there, like Sheed, McDyess, or Zaza.  Anything less will leave a hole on this team, whether Baby comes back or not, since we can't count on Powe.

Salary-wise, that would put them in the $85 million range, putting the actual salary numbers close to $100 million, when you take into account the luxury tax. 

If this is too steep for them, I would expect we see a more dramatic roster move, with them trading Ray in a deal where they can get some cap relief, and fill a couple extra holes with his roster spot.  But if they are willing to spend the money, then this is certainly viable. 

[CoachBo]

I think the Nocioni trade that was discussed at the deadline will be revisited in the offseason.  I am not sure if there is a match there or not, but I fully expect it to at least be discussed.  The real question will be whether Big Baby will be a part of it.  He supposedly was part of the rumored trade in February, and if the Kings really like him, he could be part as a sign and trade, making it even easier to match salaries.

if that did go down then we would be have a Big Baby-sized hole in the front court. Yikes!

Sheed and Nocioni would probably be able to hold the fort down until Leon came back...hmm, interesting.

Yeah, it would have to be in conjunction with the signing of another big man.

The other thing is that if they sign and trade Davis, with say, Tony Allen, then they would still have Scal as depth up front.  If you had a big man rotation of KG, Perk, Sheed or McDyess, Nocioni, and Scal, with Powe coming back the last couple months of the season, it wouldn't be bad.  They could also sign a vet minimum big guy as insurance.

I'm interested in pursuing the Sacto deal - and seeing what else they might like to move - as well. And your point is well taken, Chris: If Scal stays out of the deal, then the rotation is at worst passable until the deadline.

[hardlyyardley]

we traded for a sf last year....bill walker...i think he could be a player!!

[Jon]

I'm sure this is the one billionth time this has been brought up, but wouldn't Ryan Gomes have been wonderful on this team?  ugh, I miss that guy

eh...maybe...I still don't love him.  He's a good player, but really only on a bad team.  The C's really need someone who can come in and guard tough swingmen when PP is resting or in foul trouble.  I don't think Gomes has the quickness to do that.  And if he can't do that, what is he but yet another undersized power forward? 

And to the poster who talked about Bill Walker, I think there's a good shot Walker could contribute next year.  However, I think he should be the backup plan, not the plan.  Danny relied on too many young potential players this season and got burned when none of them panned out.  He needs to have vets in place and then see if the youngsters can outplay them. 

[Chris]

And to the poster who talked about Bill Walker, I think there's a good shot Walker could contribute next year.  However, I think he should be the backup plan, not the plan. 

Well said.  I have high hopes for Walker next year, after a hard working summer...but we cannot afford to count on him being any more than he was this year. 

Ideally, he will slide into a role similar to Tony Allen, when we had Posey.  He was another option off the bench during the regular season, but he was not the primary option.

[CoachBo]

I'm sure this is the one billionth time this has been brought up, but wouldn't Ryan Gomes have been wonderful on this team?  ugh, I miss that guy

eh...maybe...I still don't love him.  He's a good player, but really only on a bad team.  The C's really need someone who can come in and guard tough swingmen when PP is resting or in foul trouble.  I don't think Gomes has the quickness to do that.  And if he can't do that, what is he but yet another undersized power forward? 

And to the poster who talked about Bill Walker, I think there's a good shot Walker could contribute next year.  However, I think he should be the backup plan, not the plan.  Danny relied on too many young potential players this season and got burned when none of them panned out.  He needs to have vets in place and then see if the youngsters can outplay them. 

I like Gomes' smarts a lot more than I like his talent. He's at best a 9th or 10th man on a championship team. We can do better than that off this bench.

[snively]

Gomes is similar to Baby: smart, energy players who can score when left wide open who can't rebound and struggle to defend the paint or the perimeter due to their lack of size, speed and length.

[Brendan]

I think DA missed on some real value wings chasing Maggette and Posey last year. Hopefully we bring in a cheap talent (i.e. good value) for the SF spot. MLE money should be for a big. I think we've seen the last of Big gone Baby gone Davis (though hoping I'm wrong.)

[BASS_THUMPER]

over cap......

ainge take a pay cut

kevin g take a pay cut

paul p take a pay cut

ray ray take a pay cut

scalabrine....gets a raise

actors take cut in pay when they belive in a flix

team playas should do the same

get SHAQ!!

[Chris]

Gomes is similar to Baby: smart, energy players who can score when left wide open who can't rebound and struggle to defend the paint or the perimeter due to their lack of size, speed and length.

Gomes makes Big Baby look like Ben Wallace in his prime defensively, while Davis makes Gomes look like Michael Jordan offensively.  Yeah, they both came into the league as undersized PF's...but the similarities don't go much further than that.

[johnnyrondo]

I'm sure this is the one billionth time this has been brought up, but wouldn't Ryan Gomes have been wonderful on this team?  ugh, I miss that guy

Gomes and Delonte would both be wonderful.

To be quite honest I could see both those players still being here. I think Jefferson, Ratliff, Telfair, Gerald and two firsts should of been enough for KG. Superstars rarely get that much back. Also Minny could have flipped Ratliff's expiring contract for someone like Gasol. Gomes shouldn't of been necessary. And a top 5 pick for Ray should of been enough too. Delonte also shouldn't have been needed. Those are two fair hauls for the Minny (older superstar with a threat to leave via FA) and Seattle (older all-star on a rebuilding team) without Gomes and Delonte respectively.

[slamtheking]

I'm sure this is the one billionth time this has been brought up, but wouldn't Ryan Gomes have been wonderful on this team?  ugh, I miss that guy

Gomes and Delonte would both be wonderful.

To be quite honest I could see both those players still being here. I think Jefferson, Ratliff, Telfair, Gerald and two firsts should of been enough for KG. Superstars rarely get that much back. Also Minny could have flipped Ratliff's expiring contract for someone like Gasol. Gomes shouldn't of been necessary. And a top 5 pick for Ray should of been enough too. Delonte also shouldn't have been needed. Those are two fair hauls for the Minny (older superstar with a threat to leave via FA) and Seattle (older all-star on a rebuilding team) without Gomes and Delonte respectively.

I've been saying the same thing since the KG trade about Gomes not being necessary.  Look at the subsequent trades for all-stars and you'll see far less given up to get the all-star player.  Prime example: what LA gave up for Gasol. 

I would have like to have seen Delonte kept out of the Seattle deal since Wally was still a solid shooter and decent player plus the #5 pick in a loaded draft should have been sufficient to get Ray (especially coming off surgery).  Then again, we did get BBD out of that deal too so it's not like Danny got hosed in the deal.

[CoachBo]

West is a useful role player. It would have been nice to palm Tony Allen off on Seattle in that deal.

But the affection for Gomes - and to some extent, the affection for the group that lost 58 games - escapes me. I just don't see Gomes as a useful contributor on a team making a title run. He's the Gabe Pruitt of the 3s - not really good at anything. I like his basketball intelligence - if Tony Allen could think the game like Ryan Gomes, he'd be an All-Star. But physically, Ryan's challenged.