What's Up With Mikki Moore?

[TatteredOnMySleeve]

I think Steph and Mikki have both been reeeeeeeeeeeeally disappointing but nobody is talking about it.

Mikki not so much though, because he is just terrible and most people knew that.

again, explain to me who told you that marbury, 2 years removed from playing, was going to be a superstar?


if steph is giving us the 4 assits a night he is right now and ups his scoring to 8-10 points a night from 4, im very ok with what he's giving us backing up rajon during the playoffs.

Don't see that happening. Nice cartoon character picture though... see ya later

I just expected more from a guy I have seen get to the rim at will a few years back. He can't beat anybody off the dribble, which is basically the only element that Eddie House does not have, which is why we need Steph. If he can't bring us an additional dimension, I see no need to play him in the playoffs.

Mikki Moore is GOD awful.

i agree that marbury isnt giving us another dimension right now. he wont shoot and is pass first player  and when he does shoot it makes rondo look like ray allen, and he cant finish at the rim any better then eddie house..all in all I still have hope he'll get it together, and he hasnt been a problem off the court at all from what I see and hear

Mikki moore has been god-awful, but hes also been put in position to be god-awful
because of injuries, he played the day he joined the team, and has played significant minutes because of injuries in a short time since joining the team...hes been lost, shows signs of getting it, only to look confused the next game..best case scenario he comes here, sits a while, gets going in practice and play spot minutes, until hes ready for more (ala PJ Brown)

[ben]

Mikki is the perfect replacement for BBD come playoff time.  A tall big with a jumper that can also bother shots from centers. 

[ManUp]

Mikki is the perfect replacement for BBD come playoff time.  A tall big with a jumper that can also bother shots from centers. 

Only he can't bother those shots without fouling.

[hpantazo]

main problem I have with moore is that he jumps at every jumpshooter and either they upfake and go by him or he fouls them. If he can stop this he would be fine.

[CoachBo]

There's really nothing up with Mikki Moore.

He is what he is - not very good. If he hits a couple of jumpers and gets a couple of boards, good enough.

As for Steph, just as a reminder: There were posters on this Blog hailing his signing as that of an All-Star.

Clearly, he's not an All-Star.

[Neurotic Guy]

Mikki Moore as a Celtic:
14 Games  17.6 Minutes  3.9 Points (.535%) 3.9 Rebounds  .21 Blocks

The Legend that is PJ Brown as a Celtic(Regular Season):
18 Games 11.6 Minutes   2.2 Points(34%)   3.8 Rebounds   .4 Blocks

PJ in the playoffs:
25 Games  13.6 Minutes   2.9 points(46%)   2.4 rebounds   .4 Blocks



Point is -- Mikki is providing basically what PJ provided.  Hopefully Mikki will pick up the defensive rotations better as the playoffs near. 

And perhaps he'll hit a big shot in a big game and cement his own legendary stint with the C's.

[liam]

  Moore's rebounding has been pretty good lately.

1 rebound in 19 minutes with zero defense is good?

Yea the only reason he's even getting decent rebounding numbers is because doc has been forced to get him a ton of minutes. Moore and Marbury might be two of the worst defenders in the league. Kills me to see them both on the floor at the same time.

I disagree completely that Marbury has been a poor defender since he got here. I have watched a guy break his back to fit in with this team with a pass first mentality, and a guy who is committing himself to hard nosed defense and staying in front of his man. If Rondo would follow his lead of trying to keep in front of his guy versus poking it out from behind he'd be a better player. He may not quite be into his scoring groove yet, but I love what he has done defensively and passing the ball. Once he gets his shot back watch out. Big Props for Marbury!

I agree. I have liked what I've seen from Marbury. He's rusty but he's coming along fine. Mikki Moore is what he is a high energy backup. They will both look alot better as they get use to playing with this team. There confidence will go up. That three for Marbury last night could be huge. I think they have both looked better since KG came back. The team is still coming together, just like last year. I like this team a lot and if healthy they will be fine.

[tb727]

To be fair, comparing him to Marbury is tough - Marbury is a former All-Star who's probably playing for a contract next year.  He needed to learn the system and get his legs back under him, but the talent has been there all along - now hopefully the jumpshot will follow.  Mikki Moore is an energy guy who had a reputation coming in of being foul-prone and a weak rebounder/shotblocker for his size.  We brought him in for some energy and that 15-footer, and that's about it.  If Powe comes back and BBD continues to knock that shot down regularly (last night aside), then I agree that he won't see too much time in the playoffs.  

I'd be surprised if we don't see a lot of him in the playoffs.  Doc remembers Gasol and Ilgauskas shooting over the top of Davis and Powe- much more difficult with Mikki defending them.  He will have a role

[Scalablob990]

Marbury is becoming a liability in the offense right now. All coaches by now have noticed he'll either take the 20 ft elbow (clang) which is rare, or he'll drive in and kick it out. Those are the only two things he does at this point. If Mike Brown is intelligent he'll tell his men to stay off Marbury  when he drives in and to cover House. Send only one man to guard Marbury, he'll kick it back out right into the hands of a Cav...... I'm praying he turns into an offensive machine soon nothing would make me happier if he started putting up 8-10 pts a game.

[orrzor]

Marbury is becoming a liability in the offense right now. All coaches by now have noticed he'll either take the 20 ft elbow (clang) which is rare, or he'll drive in and kick it out. Those are the only two things he does at this point. If Mike Brown is intelligent he'll tell his men to stay off Marbury  when he drives in and to cover House. Send only one man to guard Marbury, he'll kick it back out right into the hands of a Cav...... I'm praying he turns into an offensive machine soon nothing would make me happier if he started putting up 8-10 pts a game.

If Mike Brown is intelligent... LOL. Remember this is Mike Brown we are talking about. A coach many people considered dumber than Doc Rivers 2 years ago when the C's were lotto bound.

[crownsy]

I think Steph and Mikki have both been reeeeeeeeeeeeally disappointing but nobody is talking about it.

Mikki not so much though, because he is just terrible and most people knew that.

again, explain to me who told you that marbury, 2 years removed from playing, was going to be a superstar?


if steph is giving us the 4 assits a night he is right now and ups his scoring to 8-10 points a night from 4, im very ok with what he's giving us backing up rajon during the playoffs.

Don't see that happening. Nice cartoon character picture though... see ya later

I just expected more from a guy I have seen get to the rim at will a few years back. He can't beat anybody off the dribble, which is basically the only element that Eddie House does not have, which is why we need Steph. If he can't bring us an additional dimension, I see no need to play him in the playoffs.

Mikki Moore is GOD awful.

thanks for the complment, its a great series, you should give it a watch.

and he can't beat anyone off the dribble?  its one of the only things he's doing well right now, along with his passing. Its why he's getting a lot of assists of drive and kicks, because he beats his man and the big has to rotate down to help.

His problem has been finishing and jump shooting, not ball handling and passing...those he's been good with.

also, whats so outrageous about a guy increasing his average 2-3 baskets? he already averages the 4 assists in 15-20 minutes, im not sure whats so crazy about hoping he scores 4-6 extra points than what he does now.

its not like i said he needs to start scoring 15-20 a game. i think going from 4 to 8-10 really isn't that much of a stretch. he could probley get that right now pretty easy by pulling a cassell and forcing his offense, but im alot happier with him passing the ball to open shooters and running some semblance of our offense, unlike sam who last year apparently though our offense consisted of him backing a guy down for 6 seconds and throwing up a horrid jumpshot. but he DID score more, so clearly his 8-10 and zero assists a night is better than 4 assists and 4 points.

[Redz]

Mikki Moore as a Celtic:
14 Games  17.6 Minutes  3.9 Points (.535%) 3.9 Rebounds  .21 Blocks

The Legend that is PJ Brown as a Celtic(Regular Season):
18 Games 11.6 Minutes   2.2 Points(34%)   3.8 Rebounds   .4 Blocks

PJ in the playoffs:
25 Games  13.6 Minutes   2.9 points(46%)   2.4 rebounds   .4 Blocks



Point is -- Mikki is providing basically what PJ provided.  Hopefully Mikki will pick up the defensive rotations better as the playoffs near. 

And perhaps he'll hit a big shot in a big game and cement his own legendary stint with the C's.

Not buying the comparison.  Stats don't tell the whole picture of what PJ brought to the team, plus he was coming here without playing all season- not so with Mikki.  I'd take PJ in a heartbeat over Mikki for toughness, presence and defensive knowledge alone.

[moiso]

Mikki Moore as a Celtic:
14 Games  17.6 Minutes  3.9 Points (.535%) 3.9 Rebounds  .21 Blocks

The Legend that is PJ Brown as a Celtic(Regular Season):
18 Games 11.6 Minutes   2.2 Points(34%)   3.8 Rebounds   .4 Blocks

PJ in the playoffs:
25 Games  13.6 Minutes   2.9 points(46%)   2.4 rebounds   .4 Blocks



Point is -- Mikki is providing basically what PJ provided.  Hopefully Mikki will pick up the defensive rotations better as the playoffs near. 

And perhaps he'll hit a big shot in a big game and cement his own legendary stint with the C's.

Not buying the comparison.  Stats don't tell the whole picture of what PJ brought to the team, plus he was coming here without playing all season- not so with Mikki.  I'd take PJ in a heartbeat over Mikki for toughness, presence and defensive knowledge alone.

Absolutely!  Playoff basketball is a physical battle and I really don't want Moore on the court under those circumstances.  And yes, Powe and Baby are short, but they are physical players who won't be pushed around like Mikki.  I think height can be very overrated.  It certainly is in Mikki's case.  If he were 2 inches shorter he would not be in the NBA because 6'10 doesn't sound as good as 7'.

[CoachBo]

Mikki Moore as a Celtic:
14 Games  17.6 Minutes  3.9 Points (.535%) 3.9 Rebounds  .21 Blocks

The Legend that is PJ Brown as a Celtic(Regular Season):
18 Games 11.6 Minutes   2.2 Points(34%)   3.8 Rebounds   .4 Blocks

PJ in the playoffs:
25 Games  13.6 Minutes   2.9 points(46%)   2.4 rebounds   .4 Blocks



Point is -- Mikki is providing basically what PJ provided.  Hopefully Mikki will pick up the defensive rotations better as the playoffs near. 

And perhaps he'll hit a big shot in a big game and cement his own legendary stint with the C's.

Not buying the comparison.  Stats don't tell the whole picture of what PJ brought to the team, plus he was coming here without playing all season- not so with Mikki.  I'd take PJ in a heartbeat over Mikki for toughness, presence and defensive knowledge alone.

Totally agree. Mikki doesn't guard anyone. Numbers are never going to be a complete metric for measuring basketball accomplishment.

[2short]

Mikki Moore as a Celtic:
14 Games  17.6 Minutes  3.9 Points (.535%) 3.9 Rebounds  .21 Blocks

The Legend that is PJ Brown as a Celtic(Regular Season):
18 Games 11.6 Minutes   2.2 Points(34%)   3.8 Rebounds   .4 Blocks

PJ in the playoffs:
25 Games  13.6 Minutes   2.9 points(46%)   2.4 rebounds   .4 Blocks



Point is -- Mikki is providing basically what PJ provided.  Hopefully Mikki will pick up the defensive rotations better as the playoffs near. 

And perhaps he'll hit a big shot in a big game and cement his own legendary stint with the C's.

thanks for the info and tommy point
this was something i asked earlier in the post as i think a lot of posters forget just how much someone helps or doesn't help us
i'm not knocking pj in anyway, loved his game and short time he was here

Mikki Moore as a Celtic:
14 Games  17.6 Minutes  3.9 Points (.535%) 3.9 Rebounds  .21 Blocks

The Legend that is PJ Brown as a Celtic(Regular Season):
18 Games 11.6 Minutes   2.2 Points(34%)   3.8 Rebounds   .4 Blocks

PJ in the playoffs:
25 Games  13.6 Minutes   2.9 points(46%)   2.4 rebounds   .4 Blocks



Point is -- Mikki is providing basically what PJ provided.  Hopefully Mikki will pick up the defensive rotations better as the playoffs near. 

And perhaps he'll hit a big shot in a big game and cement his own legendary stint with the C's.

Not buying the comparison.  Stats don't tell the whole picture of what PJ brought to the team, plus he was coming here without playing all season- not so with Mikki.  I'd take PJ in a heartbeat over Mikki for toughness, presence and defensive knowledge alone.

Absolutely!  Playoff basketball is a physical battle and I really don't want Moore on the court under those circumstances.  And yes, Powe and Baby are short, but they are physical players who won't be pushed around like Mikki.  I think height can be very overrated.  It certainly is in Mikki's case.  If he were 2 inches shorter he would not be in the NBA because 6'10 doesn't sound as good as 7'.

to me if moore can come in and guard z who's game is jumpers from distance (where height is needed) for 10 minutes than i'm fine with that
yes even if its for 1 series, z can turn and shoot a jumper over all c bigs except kg, perk and moore

ps-I'd take pj over moore any day of the week also just wondering their shooting %