What's Up With Mikki Moore?

[Bankshot]

What's up with this guy?  He appears to be a terrible rebounder and an extremely weak defender.  Smaller guys are often getting rebounds over him or just pushing him out of the way and then he falls down.   It seems that more often than not he fouls more than he rebounds.  I think it's fair to say that most fans, including myself have been very patient with both Mikki and Marbury.  At least we can see some semblance of progress from Marbury, considering he hasn't played in so long.  But Mikki Moore?  If Powe can come back (crossing my fingers!), I don't see Mikki getting much time in the playoffs, unless he improves before then.  I think he's playing himself out of the playoff rotation.

I realize he's still learning the system, but does that mean he can't box out or grab some rebounds? You don't need to know a system to do that! I thought he was the main reason the 2nd unit struggled so badly against the Clippers defensively.  He gave BBD zero help defending the paint or boxing out to help the rebounding.

I wish only the best for Mikki, especially while in a Celtics uniform, and I hope he gets it together for the Celtics sake, but I'm just not feeling the guy right now.

End of rant.

[Chief]

Mikki is a role player. He is a great locker room guy that is a hard worker and plays with lots of energy when he's on the court. He is not a great rebounder or shot blocker because if he was he'd be starting for another team. I like what he gives this team and I think he'll improve a bit as he gets use to the offensive and defensive systems.

[Atzar]

To be fair, comparing him to Marbury is tough - Marbury is a former All-Star who's probably playing for a contract next year.  He needed to learn the system and get his legs back under him, but the talent has been there all along - now hopefully the jumpshot will follow.  Mikki Moore is an energy guy who had a reputation coming in of being foul-prone and a weak rebounder/shotblocker for his size.  We brought him in for some energy and that 15-footer, and that's about it.  If Powe comes back and BBD continues to knock that shot down regularly (last night aside), then I agree that he won't see too much time in the playoffs.  

[2short]

I think Moore has done more  than marbury since here.  He has had only 1 game with normal fouls though.

[BballTim]

  Moore's rebounding has been pretty good lately.

[Bankshot]

  Moore's rebounding has been pretty good lately.

1 rebound in 19 minutes with zero defense is good?

[EJPLAYA]

Mikki gets called for a lot of very questionable fouls as he has his hands on guys even though he isn't using them to shove or move people. 2 of those calls last night were absolutely terrible, and it seems he picks up 2-3 every game like that. I think that puts him in a position that he feels he can't be more aggressive out there and really body up on his guy. He has been "trained" by the refs that if he comes near them that he gets the whistle and a quick trip to the bench.

If you are going to be comparing him to BBD though, don't rip on his rebounding. BBD is a horrible rebounder in his own right. 3 boards in 30 minutes?! I actually thought Moore has been a little better rebounder than advertised since he came over. Last night of course being an exception.

[crownsy]

I think Moore has done more  than marbury since here.  He has had only 1 game with normal fouls though.

come on now, lets not be asinine. They have both been ok at best, but what pray tell has mikki done besides run around with a chiken with his head cut off to get this nod?

marbury may not be shooting well, but he's averging 4 assists a game and moving the ball well at the point and off drive and kicks.

what is mikki doing better than steph? he isn't rebounding, shooting, blocking shots, passing or playing defense. he's tall and he runs around a lot. great.

I realize we all love guys who hustle, but at some point, you have to do something positive with that hustle, or our the skill you are contributing can be filled by a 7 foot dude from the stands who tries hard.

 i mean, i can think of 1...mabey 2 plays where mikki's hustle has had a positive outcome, and a whole bunch where it lead to a stupid foul/ easy look for the other team. yet all i hear is how well mikki is playing, and look at the effort, way better than marbury!

They have both been average to below average to this point, end of story.

[crownsy]

Mikki gets called for a lot of very questionable fouls as he has his hands on guys even though he isn't using them to shove or move people. 2 of those calls last night were absolutely terrible, and it seems he picks up 2-3 every game like that. I think that puts him in a position that he feels he can't be more aggressive out there and really body up on his guy. He has been "trained" by the refs that if he comes near them that he gets the whistle and a quick trip to the bench.

If you are going to be comparing him to BBD though, don't rip on his rebounding. BBD is a horrible rebounder in his own right. 3 boards in 30 minutes?! I actually thought Moore has been a little better rebounder than advertised since he came over. Last night of course being an exception.

the diffrence being stats on this don't bear out your theroy long term, mikki has always been a horrid rebounder, davis is average, but thats better than mikki. why is last night "an exception" for moore because he's under his average but ripping on davis is a fair point even though he was below his as well? can't have it both ways.

I like mikki, he tries hard, but he's not a good player. at all.

he does have a role to fill, he can at least give you some energy off the bench for a few minutes, but he's not any better than leon and baby at anything, and i think he's a bit worse.

[BballTim]

  Moore's rebounding has been pretty good lately.

1 rebound in 19 minutes with zero defense is good?

  Too bad I didn't catch you after his 10 rebound game. You'd be comparing his work on the boards to Moses Malone.

  By "lately" I meant more than one game. Have you missed most of the games recently?

[Who]

When Mikki Moore was with the Nets he had poor individual rebounding numbers,but with him playing 30 minutes a night as their starting center, the Nets finished top of the league in defensive rebounding percentage. They were the best team at protecting their own glass and Moore played a significant role in that.

Moore doesn't grab a whole pile of rebounds, but he does a solid job of keeping his man off the glass. Similar to Glen Davis, but not as good.

In a very small sample -- 82games has him with the best team defensive rebounding numbers for Boston this season in comparison to Perk, KG, BBD, and Powe. Big drop in offensive rebounding though.

[EJPLAYA]

Mikki gets called for a lot of very questionable fouls as he has his hands on guys even though he isn't using them to shove or move people. 2 of those calls last night were absolutely terrible, and it seems he picks up 2-3 every game like that. I think that puts him in a position that he feels he can't be more aggressive out there and really body up on his guy. He has been "trained" by the refs that if he comes near them that he gets the whistle and a quick trip to the bench.

If you are going to be comparing him to BBD though, don't rip on his rebounding. BBD is a horrible rebounder in his own right. 3 boards in 30 minutes?! I actually thought Moore has been a little better rebounder than advertised since he came over. Last night of course being an exception.

the diffrence being stats on this don't bear out your theroy long term, mikki has always been a horrid rebounder, davis is average, but thats better than mikki. why is last night "an exception" for moore because he's under his average but ripping on davis is a fair point even though he was below his as well? can't have it both ways.

I like mikki, he tries hard, but he's not a good player. at all.

he does have a role to fill, he can at least give you some energy off the bench for a few minutes, but he's not any better than leon and baby at anything, and i think he's a bit worse.

Mikki is averaging 4.2 boards in 18 min and BBD is averaging 4.3 in 29 minutes in the month of March. How is that not supporting my comments?! Do the math. If Mikki had BBD's extra 11 minutes he'd be pulling down almost 7 per game. Calling BBD an "average" rebounder is what can't be supported by facts. He is way down the list towards the bottom of centers and PF's.

As far as being better than Powe or BBD, I sure didn't say that. I think he is much worse than Powe overall, and just behind BBD. As far as rebounding goes though, he's closer to Powe than BBD.

[moiso]

Mikki is a hustling stiff.  I don't really want to see him get playing times in important games, period.  His rebounding numbers in his celtics time are a little inflated because KG and Powe were out, and there was nobody else to get rebounds.
And I have to say that Baby is a very poor rebounder for a 4 or 5.  But he does a lot of other things that help the team.  I can't say that Mikki does anything to help the team unless you want to count the one 15 foot jumper he hits per game.

[crownsy]

Mikki gets called for a lot of very questionable fouls as he has his hands on guys even though he isn't using them to shove or move people. 2 of those calls last night were absolutely terrible, and it seems he picks up 2-3 every game like that. I think that puts him in a position that he feels he can't be more aggressive out there and really body up on his guy. He has been "trained" by the refs that if he comes near them that he gets the whistle and a quick trip to the bench.

If you are going to be comparing him to BBD though, don't rip on his rebounding. BBD is a horrible rebounder in his own right. 3 boards in 30 minutes?! I actually thought Moore has been a little better rebounder than advertised since he came over. Last night of course being an exception.

the diffrence being stats on this don't bear out your theroy long term, mikki has always been a horrid rebounder, davis is average, but thats better than mikki. why is last night "an exception" for moore because he's under his average but ripping on davis is a fair point even though he was below his as well? can't have it both ways.

I like mikki, he tries hard, but he's not a good player. at all.

he does have a role to fill, he can at least give you some energy off the bench for a few minutes, but he's not any better than leon and baby at anything, and i think he's a bit worse.

Mikki is averaging 4.2 boards in 18 min and BBD is averaging 4.3 in 29 minutes in the month of March. How is that not supporting my comments?! Do the math. If Mikki had BBD's extra 11 minutes he'd be pulling down almost 7 per game. Calling BBD an "average" rebounder is what can't be supported by facts. He is way down the list towards the bottom of centers and PF's.

As far as being better than Powe or BBD, I sure didn't say that. I think he is much worse than Powe overall, and just behind BBD. As far as rebounding goes though, he's closer to Powe than BBD.

way to cherry pick when i was talking about career averages and made that clear, can you post those?

and the diffrence is, baby is 6'7 and not known for his vertical ability, to put it nicely.

 moore is 7 feet tall and a high energy guy. shouldn't he be a little better than 4.5 a game? i mean, the man is a legit seven feet and runs around all over the place, yet his rebounding rate is that of a smaller dude. He's a bad rebounder.

[crownsy]

also, just before i head to lunch and pretty much check out for the day, I want to make it clear that im not saying "omg mikki sucks, why does he get minutes!!!" since i know the two posts above seem pretty anti-mikki.

i like mikki alot, i just don't think he's super good. that doesn't mean i don't think he ahs a place on this team/ can help us as a 9th or 10th man.

What got me goign today was a celtics fan at work who was insistant this morning that mikki is playing way better than marbury (which is why i responded to 2short heh) which i think is patently false.

as i pointed out above, neither is playing lights out, id rate them both as average so far.