What's Up With Mikki Moore?

[the_Bird]

Mikki Six-Fouls has been pretty much exactly as advertised so far.  Lots of energy, not a lot of rebounding, tons of fouls, good jumper.  What you see is what you get.  He might improve on D a little bit more as he learns the rotations, but he's never going to be a lockdown defender.

Frankly, if you're disappointed in what you've seen from Mikki, you either weren't reading the scouting reports or you were deliberately ignoring them!

I generally like what I've seen from Marbury.  Seems to be playing within himself.  Seems to be putting forth the effort on the defensive end (that charge he took!  never would have happened in New York!).  That tells me that everything he said when he signed about trying to come in and just play, play the right way...  seems like he meant it.  We'll see if it lasts, but he seems to be fitting in, and he SHOULD get better as his conditioning improves and as the rust shakes off.  He'll shoot a lot better than 30% for us, come playoff time.

[EJPLAYA]

Mikki gets called for a lot of very questionable fouls as he has his hands on guys even though he isn't using them to shove or move people. 2 of those calls last night were absolutely terrible, and it seems he picks up 2-3 every game like that. I think that puts him in a position that he feels he can't be more aggressive out there and really body up on his guy. He has been "trained" by the refs that if he comes near them that he gets the whistle and a quick trip to the bench.

If you are going to be comparing him to BBD though, don't rip on his rebounding. BBD is a horrible rebounder in his own right. 3 boards in 30 minutes?! I actually thought Moore has been a little better rebounder than advertised since he came over. Last night of course being an exception.

the diffrence being stats on this don't bear out your theroy long term, mikki has always been a horrid rebounder, davis is average, but thats better than mikki. why is last night "an exception" for moore because he's under his average but ripping on davis is a fair point even though he was below his as well? can't have it both ways.

I like mikki, he tries hard, but he's not a good player. at all.

he does have a role to fill, he can at least give you some energy off the bench for a few minutes, but he's not any better than leon and baby at anything, and i think he's a bit worse.

Mikki is averaging 4.2 boards in 18 min and BBD is averaging 4.3 in 29 minutes in the month of March. How is that not supporting my comments?! Do the math. If Mikki had BBD's extra 11 minutes he'd be pulling down almost 7 per game. Calling BBD an "average" rebounder is what can't be supported by facts. He is way down the list towards the bottom of centers and PF's.

As far as being better than Powe or BBD, I sure didn't say that. I think he is much worse than Powe overall, and just behind BBD. As far as rebounding goes though, he's closer to Powe than BBD.

way to cherry pick when i was talking about career averages and made that clear, can you post those?

and the diffrence is, baby is 6'7 and not known for his vertical ability, to put it nicely.

 moore is 7 feet tall and a high energy guy. shouldn't he be a little better than 4.5 a game? i mean, the man is a legit seven feet and runs around all over the place, yet his rebounding rate is that of a smaller dude. He's a bad rebounder.

Now wait a second. YOU were the one that changed the parameters. I said that since he got here he has been a much better rebounder than advertised. You say that BBD is an average rebounder and Mikki is a bad rebounder, but they both play the same position. They both have about the same stats. You can't say that because Mikki is taller that he is a bad rebounder where BBD is average. They are both either bad, or average. My point though was that since he has gotten here he has been at least an average rebounder to slightly above. BBD on the other hand continues to be his usual bad rebounding self.

Remember height isn't everything when it comes to rebounding. a certain multi-colored haired freak was one of the best rebounders of all time and wasn't that tall.

[crownsy]

the diffrence being stats on this don't bear out your theroy long term

half of march is not long term. that was my intial post to you. i changed nothing.

[Roy Hobbs]

Moore has never been a good rebounder or defender, and certainly not recently.  His rebounds/minute stats with the Celtics are in line with his career average.  Pretty much, what you see is what you get.

Moore in Boston is the same as Moore pre-Boston.  He's an efficient offensive player who hustles a lot, who struggles on defense and is a mediocre rebounder.  In other words, he's perfectly adequate as the 5th man in a big man rotation, but probably isn't better than BBD or Powe.

[EJPLAYA]

He was portrayed as a terrible rebounder and since he has gotten here I have not thought of him as such. Never did I say he was a great career rebounder. I never said he was great the last month. I just simply stated that he seems to be doing a solid job out there of rebounding the ball and hasn't been obviously outworked on the boards by the other man. Not sure how that is such a stretch... Never had I said he is better than Powe or BBD. He's clearly not. He is however an upgrade from POB and brings positives to the floor. I like the guy and am glad he signed.

[crownsy]

He was portrayed as a terrible rebounder and since he has gotten here I have not thought of him as such. Never did I say he was a great career rebounder. I never said he was great the last month. I just simply stated that he seems to be doing a solid job out there of rebounding the ball and hasn't been obviously outworked on the boards by the other man. Not sure how that is such a stretch... Never had I said he is better than Powe or BBD. He's clearly not. He is however an upgrade from POB and brings positives to the floor. I like the guy and am glad he signed.

I agree about signing him, more so since joe smith pretty much admitted he had no intention of signing here. I'm in the joe smith played it up to get cleveland frothing at the mouth to offer him a contract ASAP angle of that drama.

[Bankshot]

Moore has never been a good rebounder or defender, and certainly not recently.  His rebounds/minute stats with the Celtics are in line with his career average.  Pretty much, what you see is what you get.

Moore in Boston is the same as Moore pre-Boston.  He's an efficient offensive player who hustles a lot, who struggles on defense and is a mediocre rebounder.  In other words, he's perfectly adequate as the 5th man in a big man rotation, but probably isn't better than BBD or Powe.

Probably?  I'd say it's definite.

[EJPLAYA]

He was portrayed as a terrible rebounder and since he has gotten here I have not thought of him as such. Never did I say he was a great career rebounder. I never said he was great the last month. I just simply stated that he seems to be doing a solid job out there of rebounding the ball and hasn't been obviously outworked on the boards by the other man. Not sure how that is such a stretch... Never had I said he is better than Powe or BBD. He's clearly not. He is however an upgrade from POB and brings positives to the floor. I like the guy and am glad he signed.

I agree about signing him, more so since joe smith pretty much admitted he had no intention of signing here. I'm in the joe smith played it up to get cleveland frothing at the mouth to offer him a contract ASAP angle of that drama.

Count me in that group as well. All these guys on here that thought Joe Smith was coming baffled me. I think the one big mistake that we made early on was signing POB over Chris Anderson. I think he is a better player than Moore, but does bring baggage...

[2short]

I think Moore has done more  than marbury since here.  He has had only 1 game with normal fouls though.

come on now, lets not be asinine. They have both been ok at best, but what pray tell has mikki done besides run around with a chiken with his head cut off to get this nod?

marbury may not be shooting well, but he's averging 4 assists a game and moving the ball well at the point and off drive and kicks.

what is mikki doing better than steph? he isn't rebounding, shooting, blocking shots, passing or playing defense. he's tall and he runs around a lot. great.

I realize we all love guys who hustle, but at some point, you have to do something positive with that hustle, or our the skill you are contributing can be filled by a 7 foot dude from the stands who tries hard.

 i mean, i can think of 1...mabey 2 plays where mikki's hustle has had a positive outcome, and a whole bunch where it lead to a stupid foul/ easy look for the other team. yet all i hear is how well mikki is playing, and look at the effort, way better than marbury!

They have both been average to below average to this point, end of story.

I agree they both have been below average but steph was supposed to come in...and as I remember it was going to start over rondo.  I am more surprised at moores game, thinking he was an outright stiff.
moore is hitting the outside jumper, passing well and boxing out while of course running the floor and hustling
marbury is not hitting the jumper which makes him very 1 dimensional, his d is fair at best (except for taking the charge on duncan!) but his passing is good
Actually his defense is kind of like his cousins sebastian telfair, if you can be so fast on offense why can't you do this on defense? lack of trying
marbury will bolt after this season to start somewhere or for as much $$ as he can get
moore for the money we should keep

What is moore's shooting % compared to old friend pjs last year?  From my memory moore does show a bit more range.

[crownsy]

I agree they both have been below average but steph was supposed to come in...and as I remember it was going to start over rondo

whaaa?

mabey this is the problem. I realize some people on this blog thought he was going to come in here and be jason terry for us. these are the same people that think once TA is "really, totally healthy" he'll be a superstar.

Steph is a player who is 2 years removed from playing good ball. he is one year removed from playing at all. He is here to back up rajon because eddie house is a much better 2 than a PG.

and you know what, on that one front, mission totally accomplished. He seems to be aware that his number one job is running that second unit. now, as i said, i dont think hes doing a super job of that (mostly because he won't shoot) but one thing he is doing is hitting eddie in his spots.

I saw at least 3 times last night where him and eddie were standing together during a timeout and talking and nodding to each other. two of stephs assists came to eddie, and on both of them, he did his little tiger woods fist pump he does after a good assist on the way back down the floor. That chemistry is off the charts.

I think the only people who can reasonably be super down on marbury (i.e the thrads that pop up saying "cut this clown!" like the one 2 days ago) aren't looking at the situation objectivly. Steph has come in and shut his mouth. He gives more effort than you credit him with defensivly, he's just not that good (we have another guy like this, he wears 5-0) he passes well. back up PG is giving me 4 points/4 assists/ and a board or two in limited minutes, im nto calling for his head. I'd like to see mroe scoring, but i like that he clearly WANTS to fit in.

really only complint i have is that he's trying TOO hard to be a facilitator. Yes, he's shot poorley, but the last 3 games he's looked like rondo from last year in that he won't shoot near the rim. Twice last night he toasted gordon and instead of layign it up, tried to make a difficult lay down. once he turned it over, and ocne he got billy a ncie dunk, but both times he should have shot. he had a few more of these too.

 

[2short]

I agree they both have been below average but steph was supposed to come in...and as I remember it was going to start over rondo

whaaa?

mabey this is the problem. I realize some people on this blog thought he was going to come in here and be jason terry for us. these are the same people that think once TA is "really, totally healthy" he'll be a superstar.

Steph is a player who is 2 years removed from playing good ball. he is one year removed from playing at all. He is here to back up rajon because eddie house is a much better 2 than a PG.

and you know what, on that one front, mission totally accomplished. He seems to be aware that his number one job is running that second unit. now, as i said, i dont think hes doing a super job of that (mostly because he won't shoot) but one thing he is doing is hitting eddie in his spots.

I saw at least 3 times last night where him and eddie were standing together during a timeout and talking and nodding to each other. two of stephs assists came to eddie, and on both of them, he did his little tiger woods fist pump he does after a good assist on the way back down the floor. That chemistry is off the charts.

I think the only people who can reasonably be super down on marbury (i.e the thrads that pop up saying "cut this clown!" like the one 2 days ago) aren't looking at the situation objectivly. Steph has come in and shut his mouth. He gives more effort than you credit him with defensivly, he's just not that good (we have another guy like this, he wears 5-0) he passes well. back up PG is giving me 4 points/4 assists/ and a board or two in limited minutes, im nto calling for his head. I'd like to see mroe scoring, but i like that he clearly WANTS to fit in.

really only complint i have is that he's trying TOO hard to be a facilitator. Yes, he's shot poorley, but the last 3 games he's looked like rondo from last year in that he won't shoot near the rim. Twice last night he toasted gordon and instead of layign it up, tried to make a difficult lay down. once he turned it over, and ocne he got billy a ncie dunk, but both times he should have shot. he had a few more of these too.

 

aah in the end i think we are on same page
who do you think will be with the team longer though?

[crownsy]

I agree they both have been below average but steph was supposed to come in...and as I remember it was going to start over rondo

whaaa?

mabey this is the problem. I realize some people on this blog thought he was going to come in here and be jason terry for us. these are the same people that think once TA is "really, totally healthy" he'll be a superstar.

Steph is a player who is 2 years removed from playing good ball. he is one year removed from playing at all. He is here to back up rajon because eddie house is a much better 2 than a PG.

and you know what, on that one front, mission totally accomplished. He seems to be aware that his number one job is running that second unit. now, as i said, i dont think hes doing a super job of that (mostly because he won't shoot) but one thing he is doing is hitting eddie in his spots.

I saw at least 3 times last night where him and eddie were standing together during a timeout and talking and nodding to each other. two of stephs assists came to eddie, and on both of them, he did his little tiger woods fist pump he does after a good assist on the way back down the floor. That chemistry is off the charts.

I think the only people who can reasonably be super down on marbury (i.e the thrads that pop up saying "cut this clown!" like the one 2 days ago) aren't looking at the situation objectivly. Steph has come in and shut his mouth. He gives more effort than you credit him with defensivly, he's just not that good (we have another guy like this, he wears 5-0) he passes well. back up PG is giving me 4 points/4 assists/ and a board or two in limited minutes, im nto calling for his head. I'd like to see mroe scoring, but i like that he clearly WANTS to fit in.

really only complint i have is that he's trying TOO hard to be a facilitator. Yes, he's shot poorley, but the last 3 games he's looked like rondo from last year in that he won't shoot near the rim. Twice last night he toasted gordon and instead of layign it up, tried to make a difficult lay down. once he turned it over, and ocne he got billy a ncie dunk, but both times he should have shot. he had a few more of these too.

 

aah in the end i think we are on same page
who do you think will be with the team longer though?

nither of em, both of them are one year pick ups. Steph isn't going to sign a short money deal to back up rajon when he can con some team into starting him, nor do i think the C's brass think he wont eventually chaff as a pure backup.

moore could stay another year i gues, but i think he's just the best stop-gap available to fill the bigs at the trading deadline, not someone they think is a long term solution.

Moore, i guess, has a better shot, depending how FA goes and what teams come with for BBD and Leon, but i think they both go post season.

[Atzar]

I agree they both have been below average but steph was supposed to come in...and as I remember it was going to start over rondo

whaaa?

mabey this is the problem. I realize some people on this blog thought he was going to come in here and be jason terry for us. these are the same people that think once TA is "really, totally healthy" he'll be a superstar.

Steph is a player who is 2 years removed from playing good ball. he is one year removed from playing at all. He is here to back up rajon because eddie house is a much better 2 than a PG.

and you know what, on that one front, mission totally accomplished. He seems to be aware that his number one job is running that second unit. now, as i said, i dont think hes doing a super job of that (mostly because he won't shoot) but one thing he is doing is hitting eddie in his spots.

I saw at least 3 times last night where him and eddie were standing together during a timeout and talking and nodding to each other. two of stephs assists came to eddie, and on both of them, he did his little tiger woods fist pump he does after a good assist on the way back down the floor. That chemistry is off the charts.

I think the only people who can reasonably be super down on marbury (i.e the thrads that pop up saying "cut this clown!" like the one 2 days ago) aren't looking at the situation objectivly. Steph has come in and shut his mouth. He gives more effort than you credit him with defensivly, he's just not that good (we have another guy like this, he wears 5-0) he passes well. back up PG is giving me 4 points/4 assists/ and a board or two in limited minutes, im nto calling for his head. I'd like to see mroe scoring, but i like that he clearly WANTS to fit in.

really only complint i have is that he's trying TOO hard to be a facilitator. Yes, he's shot poorley, but the last 3 games he's looked like rondo from last year in that he won't shoot near the rim. Twice last night he toasted gordon and instead of layign it up, tried to make a difficult lay down. once he turned it over, and ocne he got billy a ncie dunk, but both times he should have shot. he had a few more of these too.

 

TP, I couldn't have said it any better.

[rickyfan3.0...]

I think Steph and Mikki have both been reeeeeeeeeeeeally disappointing but nobody is talking about it.

Mikki not so much though, because he is just terrible and most people knew that.

[crownsy]

I think Steph and Mikki have both been reeeeeeeeeeeeally disappointing but nobody is talking about it.

Mikki not so much though, because he is just terrible and most people knew that.

again, explain to me who told you that marbury, 2 years removed from playing, was going to be a superstar?

media overhype and blog frenzie does not equal reality. he is a backup PG. most backup PG's would kill to average 4 assists a night. his scoring drags him down to average for me, but waaaayyy below expectations? who's? that moron Steven a smith? woody page?

if steph is giving us the 4 assits a night he is right now and ups his scoring to 8-10 points a night from 4, im very ok with what he's giving us backing up rajon during the playoffs.