Davis vs. Powe: February poll

[EJPLAYA]

I think it partly depends on Mikki Moore.  If he pans out and sticks around, I think that it points more towards Davis sticking around, to the muscular Ying to Moore's lengthy/athletic Yang.  If not, I'd still go with Davis over Powe.  Powe's nice, but he lacks two things Baby has: a jump shot and bulk.  Powe will never be able to guard big guys like Shaq and Big Z the way Davis can. 

The second thing that you mentioned was definitely the case. Powe doesn't have the size to play centers. He's a PF so that shouldn't be surprising. Ray Allen can't play Shaq either.

The first thing was nonsense though. No Powe can't shoot the jump shot, but at 31% success rate neither can BBD. You can't elevate BBD over Powe based only on Powe NOT being able to do it. BBD has to do it well for that to be a differentiator.

[Jon]

I think it partly depends on Mikki Moore.  If he pans out and sticks around, I think that it points more towards Davis sticking around, to the muscular Ying to Moore's lengthy/athletic Yang.  If not, I'd still go with Davis over Powe.  Powe's nice, but he lacks two things Baby has: a jump shot and bulk.  Powe will never be able to guard big guys like Shaq and Big Z the way Davis can. 

The second thing that you mentioned was definitely the case. Powe doesn't have the size to play centers. He's a PF so that shouldn't be surprising. Ray Allen can't play Shaq either.

The first thing was nonsense though. No Powe can't shoot the jump shot, but at 31% success rate neither can BBD. You can't elevate BBD over Powe based only on Powe NOT being able to do it. BBD has to do it well for that to be a differentiator.

Somewhat fair.  There's been some games this year that he's been hitting it and its mattered.  If it makes you happy, I can modify my comment to say that Davis has shown more of an offensively diversified game than Powe.  That better?

[EJPLAYA]

I think it partly depends on Mikki Moore.  If he pans out and sticks around, I think that it points more towards Davis sticking around, to the muscular Ying to Moore's lengthy/athletic Yang.  If not, I'd still go with Davis over Powe.  Powe's nice, but he lacks two things Baby has: a jump shot and bulk.  Powe will never be able to guard big guys like Shaq and Big Z the way Davis can. 

The second thing that you mentioned was definitely the case. Powe doesn't have the size to play centers. He's a PF so that shouldn't be surprising. Ray Allen can't play Shaq either.

The first thing was nonsense though. No Powe can't shoot the jump shot, but at 31% success rate neither can BBD. You can't elevate BBD over Powe based only on Powe NOT being able to do it. BBD has to do it well for that to be a differentiator.

Somewhat fair.  There's been some games this year that he's been hitting it and its mattered.  If it makes you happy, I can modify my comment to say that Davis has shown more of an offensively diversified game than Powe.  That better?

I would agree with that. TP to you. The two things that make a huge difference for me is I truly think BBD will eat his way out of the league soon, and that Powe's low post game and rebounding are such huge needs for that second unit that we have got to keep him. There are tons of guys who can be aggressive defensively and hit jumpers better than BBD can. Mikki Moore might even be that guy. The only thing that he does that I personally think is above average is guard huge centers like Shaq and Yao. That is such a rare thing though that it isn't worth all his other deficiencies.

[BudweiserCeltic]

We would sign Davis with early bird rights.

And EJ, stop spreading lies around. Thanks.

Why don't you stop your personal attacks, or at least make a point about what you disagree with BC. Since you just chose to slander me and not actually make a point I will have to assume you disagree with BBD being fatter than he was at the draft. Take a look at this link and tell me I am wrong. (If someone can post it in the thread itself versus the link a TP to you)

http://media.2theadvocate.com/images/davis+nba+draft+062907.jpg

All you need to see is him playing to see that he's not getting fatter as you're claiming. Is he fatter than when he entered on draft day? That's up to debate and may be true. He didn't take care of himself during the season LAST year while eating the bench. Since the past offseason he has become quite LEANER as the months have gone by, and if you don't notice how his muscle tone keeps improving then what's left to debate? You clearly don't want to hear none of it, and have shown as much in various threads throughout the season, so why should I keep amusing you with your lies? What you're claiming is simply untrue. Keep in mind that having more weight doesn't necessarily mean being fatter. His improved muscle definition should at least hint you as much.

I've made no such personal attack. Stop taking everything so personally. I commented on what you said, something that is completely untrue. It's as simple as that.

Also, everyone knows that pictures can be, and are most of the times, very deceptive. I'll leave it at that.

[Jon]

I think it partly depends on Mikki Moore.  If he pans out and sticks around, I think that it points more towards Davis sticking around, to the muscular Ying to Moore's lengthy/athletic Yang.  If not, I'd still go with Davis over Powe.  Powe's nice, but he lacks two things Baby has: a jump shot and bulk.  Powe will never be able to guard big guys like Shaq and Big Z the way Davis can. 

The second thing that you mentioned was definitely the case. Powe doesn't have the size to play centers. He's a PF so that shouldn't be surprising. Ray Allen can't play Shaq either.

The first thing was nonsense though. No Powe can't shoot the jump shot, but at 31% success rate neither can BBD. You can't elevate BBD over Powe based only on Powe NOT being able to do it. BBD has to do it well for that to be a differentiator.

Somewhat fair.  There's been some games this year that he's been hitting it and its mattered.  If it makes you happy, I can modify my comment to say that Davis has shown more of an offensively diversified game than Powe.  That better?

I would agree with that. TP to you. The two things that make a huge difference for me is I truly think BBD will eat his way out of the league soon, and that Powe's low post game and rebounding are such huge needs for that second unit that we have got to keep him. There are tons of guys who can be aggressive defensively and hit jumpers better than BBD can. Mikki Moore might even be that guy. The only thing that he does that I personally think is above average is guard huge centers like Shaq and Yao. That is such a rare thing though that it isn't worth all his other deficiencies.

Maybe.  To be brutally honest, I don't think we'll regret losing either of them.  They're both decent, undersized big men who probably look a bit better than they really are due to playing with superior talent and a great system. 

They're nice to have around, but neither is irreplaceable. 

The thing I worry about more is that Danny signs one of them to a one year extension and then gives that person a big raise the next year.  Too often in the past we've seen average players look good on great teams get contract they don't deserve.  Austin Croshere comes to mind as one. 

[EJPLAYA]

We would sign Davis with early bird rights.

And EJ, stop spreading lies around. Thanks.

Why don't you stop your personal attacks, or at least make a point about what you disagree with BC. Since you just chose to slander me and not actually make a point I will have to assume you disagree with BBD being fatter than he was at the draft. Take a look at this link and tell me I am wrong. (If someone can post it in the thread itself versus the link a TP to you)

http://media.2theadvocate.com/images/davis+nba+draft+062907.jpg

All you need to see is him playing to see that he's not getting fatter as you're claiming. Is he fatter than when he entered on draft day? That's up to debate and may be true. He didn't take care of himself during the season LAST year while eating the bench. Since the past offseason he has become quite LEANER as the months have gone by, and if you don't notice how his muscle tone keeps improving then what's left to debate? You clearly don't want to hear none of it, and have shown as much in various threads throughout the season, so why should I keep amusing you with your lies? What you're claiming is simply untrue. Keep in mind that having more weight doesn't necessarily mean being fatter. His improved muscle definition should at least hint you as much.

I've made no such personal attack. Stop taking everything so personally. I commented on what you said, something that is completely untrue. It's as simple as that.

Also, everyone knows that pictures can be, and are most of the times, very deceptive. I'll leave it at that.

I am not sure where you grew up and what manners you were raised with/without, but calling me a liar is a personal attack plain and simple. Don't fool yourself into thinking that is appropriate or not personal. Especially when in your "defense" statement you once again call me a liar. TELL ME what I said that is "completely untrue".

If you can look at that picture, and then look at him at the end of last year, and right now as well, and with a straight face say that him being fatter than he was at the draft is not a 100% accurate statement, then it is YOU my friend that is not being truthful.

Let me quote you again what I said. More than once I said he seems to have lost a few pounds the last couple months off of the tub of complete goo that he was in that parade. I don't care what you do to those pictures, but you can't look at the draft one I posted, and those shirtless ones in the parade and say it was just the lighting. If you refuse to admit that then you are truly just being argumentative.  I also stated that my opinion that he seems to have gotten into a little better shape though is because of his upcoming contract year. How hard is it to believe that if he did it once he is doing it again. He may be working out and adding muscle. If so, which is likely the case, that would explain why he looks a little better. He does however still have a very fat neck, and in this picture he is definitely at the best shape he has been in over his playing days. (Including college and likely HS as well)

If you want to argue whether this added bulk helps give the guy one of the only things he does very very well, being too big to push around, then we can have that discussion. If all you want to do is be offensive and call me a liar, then save it.

[BudweiserCeltic]

This is what you claim:
"and if he continues adding weight like he has since the draft".

You have made comments like that numerous times in different ways all to express the same thing. You are making people believe that there is some sort of pattern with Baby adding weight since draft day, when it's none existant. It's quite simple. It might've been true during the season last year, but there's nothing to suggest that it is happening currently... so there is no "continues adding weight" as you express it.

Also, just because he seemed to have less weight on draft night doesn't mean that he was in better shape. That's why trainers teach about losing weight the right way.

Also, just because I believe you're spreading lies, it doesn't mean that I'm calling you a liar. For all I know you truely believe what you're saying is true, so in that context you're really not being a liar, just misinformed as far as I'm concerned. So I can call something a lie all I want if I feel it's non-factual, regardless of my personal opinion of a poster.

[Green17]

Guys....remember this is a message board about a basketball team and try to relax. 

Please stop all allegations of spreading lies and confronting each other in these posts. 

[EJPLAYA]

This is what you claim:
"and if he continues adding weight like he has since the draft".

You have made comments like that numerous times in different ways all to express the same thing. You are making people believe that there is some sort of pattern with Baby adding weight since draft day, when it's none existant. It's quite simple. It might've been true during the season last year, but there's nothing to suggest that it is happening currently... so there is no "continues adding weight" as you express it.

Also, just because he seemed to have less weight on draft night doesn't mean that he was in better shape. That's why trainers teach about losing weight the right way.

Also, just because I believe you're spreading lies, it doesn't mean that I'm calling you a liar. For all I know you truely believe what you're saying is true, so in that context you're really not being a liar, just misinformed as far as I'm concerned. So I can call something a lie all I want if I feel it's non-factual, regardless of my personal opinion of a poster.

Have some class BC. How about rephrasing it to say something like "EJ, I think you are wrong about BBD gaining weight". Do you really think that there is a difference between posting to everyone that I am "spreading lies" all over the place, and calling me a liar?! Especially when your argument just takes pieces of my comments and twists them around to try and back that ridiculous statement? There is no place for that kind of nonsense on here. Grow up buddy.

[Edgar]

last chance or this will be locked.

and evaluated post by post.

[Scalablob990]

  By now it's no secret on my end (like my dislike of Scal) but my vote goes to POW.

[Spfldkid]

I think Leon rebounds better on the offensive end, but he has to find a way to do more with it when he gets it. He gets his shot blocked more than anyone, although he does get to the line often because of it. BBD has that shot going, Leon could use an outside shot, or dunk way more. I also think BBD could be better if he lost more weight. He is looking okay, but he has to realize he is going up against some of the best athlites around. They both need to be able to dunk right off the catch/rebound. I am sorry but I can't deceide which one to keep. It would come down to $$$, or trade offers...!

[Mr October]

Just a bump to report that so far Powe has the edge over Baby when it comes to getting resigned next summer.

(subject to change after the playoffs of course)

[LB3533]

I am picking Baby because his game is more suited to Rajon's game.

When we talk about resigning players, we must think about the future and who else is playing.

Rajon is our future and in today's NBA game, a pick and pop player is more valuable to Rajon's game than a post presence.

A post presence is very nice, but it is a "dying breed" just like the legit Center position is a "dying breed".

Baby will make Rajon better and vice versa.

Throwing it down low to Powe, although at times successful is just so [dang] boring and does not utilize Rajon's skill set.

[xmuscularghandix]

I am picking Baby because his game is more suited to Rajon's game.

When we talk about resigning players, we must think about the future and who else is playing.

Rajon is our future and in today's NBA game, a pick and pop player is more valuable to Rajon's game than a post presence.

A post presence is very nice, but it is a "dying breed" just like the legit Center position is a "dying breed".

Baby will make Rajon better and vice versa.

Throwing it down low to Powe, although at times successful is just so [dang] boring and does not utilize Rajon's skill set.

very good call, Powe defenitly clogs the lanes that Rondo will use to get to the basket. I love Big Baby while Leon often frustrates me.