Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings

[BudweiserCeltic]

What is being overlooked here is that while Noccioni is more expensive than Posey, we wouldn't be paying Scal's contract next since this is a trade not an additional player. That's 3 million (6 if we are in luxury land).

So financially is not as bad as some are making it out to be when compared to what would've been Posey's deal.

[guava_wrench]

I think Noccioni would be a fit IF we can sign both Marbury and Smith.

But
Noccioni is making 8 mil for 4 years I think, thats a lot of salary and will make it hard for the celtics to make many moves in the future .

I think there a lot better options as a wing who are a lot cheaper , but do the same kinds of things

I think Matt Barnes could be had for relatively cheap and is oly making 700K

Why would Phx trade Barnes? He is on a one year contract, is cheep, and he plays a lot. We have nothing to offer them in return, especially since they need shooters again now that they will run.

[Roy Hobbs]

The Globe is reporting that the Celts have interest in signing Calvin booth.  Who knows, maybe it could be in conjunction with a Nocioni deal.

(The rumor has been scuttled, but you never know.)

[greg_kite]

I'm on the fence about this one.  Can they take Baby out of the deal and include a re-signed Pollard?  That I would do in a second.

[cordobes]

What is being overlooked here is that while Noccioni is more expensive than Posey, we wouldn't be paying Scal's contract next since this is a trade not an additional player. That's 3 million (6 if we are in luxury land).

So financially is not as bad as some are making it out to be when compared to what would've been Posey's deal.

Posey got a $25 million contract. Nocioni's making $29 million in the same period. This upsets Scal's contract. Plus, we're giving Big Baby away.

But as someone who never took seriously the "oh, that single season of a MLE contract in 2012 will kill our future" rationale I see your point.

[guava_wrench]

What is being overlooked here is that while Noccioni is more expensive than Posey, we wouldn't be paying Scal's contract next since this is a trade not an additional player. That's 3 million (6 if we are in luxury land).

So financially is not as bad as some are making it out to be when compared to what would've been Posey's deal.

Posey got a $25 million contract. Nocioni's making $29 million in the same period. This upsets Scal's contract. Plus, we're giving Big Baby away.

But as someone who never took seriously the "oh, that single season of a MLE contract in 2012 will kill our future" rationale I see your point.

The important point is that we already considered Posey's contract too rich. Even the offer we made was artificially rich since he was a known commodity for us.

We would need a replacement for BBD's defense against big centers.

[celticmaestro]

What is being overlooked here is that while Noccioni is more expensive than Posey, we wouldn't be paying Scal's contract next since this is a trade not an additional player. That's 3 million (6 if we are in luxury land).

So financially is not as bad as some are making it out to be when compared to what would've been Posey's deal.

Posey got a $25 million contract. Nocioni's making $29 million in the same period. This upsets Scal's contract. Plus, we're giving Big Baby away.

But as someone who never took seriously the "oh, that single season of a MLE contract in 2012 will kill our future" rationale I see your point.

The important point is that we already considered Posey's contract too rich. Even the offer we made was artificially rich since he was a known commodity for us.

We would need a replacement for BBD's defense against big centers.

Yeah, we'd need someone to replace the way he lets big centers shoot over him and basically do what they want (see Gasol, Pau)...

Big fatty is average at best and I'd love to see him gone.

[crownsy]

What is being overlooked here is that while Noccioni is more expensive than Posey, we wouldn't be paying Scal's contract next since this is a trade not an additional player. That's 3 million (6 if we are in luxury land).

So financially is not as bad as some are making it out to be when compared to what would've been Posey's deal.

Posey got a $25 million contract. Nocioni's making $29 million in the same period. This upsets Scal's contract. Plus, we're giving Big Baby away.

But as someone who never took seriously the "oh, that single season of a MLE contract in 2012 will kill our future" rationale I see your point.

The important point is that we already considered Posey's contract too rich. Even the offer we made was artificially rich since he was a known commodity for us.

We would need a replacement for BBD's defense against big centers.

Yeah, we'd need someone to replace the way he lets big centers shoot over him and basically do what they want (see Gasol, Pau)...

Big fatty is average at best and I'd love to see him gone.

so you think leon is a better choice at C post this trade? i dont. he's got all of big babies flaws, and doesn't even have the "fat" to at least try to keep guys out of the paint.

[celticmaestro]

What is being overlooked here is that while Noccioni is more expensive than Posey, we wouldn't be paying Scal's contract next since this is a trade not an additional player. That's 3 million (6 if we are in luxury land).

So financially is not as bad as some are making it out to be when compared to what would've been Posey's deal.

Posey got a $25 million contract. Nocioni's making $29 million in the same period. This upsets Scal's contract. Plus, we're giving Big Baby away.

But as someone who never took seriously the "oh, that single season of a MLE contract in 2012 will kill our future" rationale I see your point.

The important point is that we already considered Posey's contract too rich. Even the offer we made was artificially rich since he was a known commodity for us.

We would need a replacement for BBD's defense against big centers.

Yeah, we'd need someone to replace the way he lets big centers shoot over him and basically do what they want (see Gasol, Pau)...

Big fatty is average at best and I'd love to see him gone.

so you think leon is a better choice at C post this trade? i dont. he's got all of big babies flaws, and doesn't even have the "fat" to at least try to keep guys out of the paint.

No I'd bank on us signing someone else. Booth? Smith? Anyone. When KG went out against LA, we put Davis on Gasol and he was tormented. That was the nail in the coffin for me, he's got a lot to prove in my book.

[BudweiserCeltic]

What is being overlooked here is that while Noccioni is more expensive than Posey, we wouldn't be paying Scal's contract next since this is a trade not an additional player. That's 3 million (6 if we are in luxury land).

So financially is not as bad as some are making it out to be when compared to what would've been Posey's deal.

Posey got a $25 million contract. Nocioni's making $29 million in the same period. This upsets Scal's contract. Plus, we're giving Big Baby away.

But as someone who never took seriously the "oh, that single season of a MLE contract in 2012 will kill our future" rationale I see your point.

The important point is that we already considered Posey's contract too rich. Even the offer we made was artificially rich since he was a known commodity for us.

We would need a replacement for BBD's defense against big centers.

Yeah, we'd need someone to replace the way he lets big centers shoot over him and basically do what they want (see Gasol, Pau)...

Big fatty is average at best and I'd love to see him gone.

All good, if we ignore his contributions like the ones against Dwight Howard.

[KungPoweChicken]

I'd do this deal without batting an eyelash.

[Evantime34]

If we do this trade a 4 for one, then you have to assume we'll sign other players. Let's say we can bring back Noccioni, Marbury, and Booth after trading POB, Baby, TA and Scal. IMO that makes us a heck of a lot better.
Also now that Joe Smith isn't getting traded what is the likelihood that he gets bought out?

[Andy Jick]

Nocioni is being paid twice what he's worth.

...as are 75% of the players in the nba.  there is typically no such thing as the perfect trade or the perfect contract.

nocioni, though it's looking like this won't happen, would be a nice player that would provide a solid player next to KG and pierce up front, possibly adding longevity to their careers.

i don't want this celtics team to become what the '80s celtics became: old and tired...nocioni is the kind of player to make sure that wouldn't happen so easily.

[greenwise]

Nocioni would be awesome. It seems unlikely though...only 42 minutes remaining...

[BillfromBoston]

What is being overlooked here is that while Noccioni is more expensive than Posey, we wouldn't be paying Scal's contract next since this is a trade not an additional player. That's 3 million (6 if we are in luxury land).

So financially is not as bad as some are making it out to be when compared to what would've been Posey's deal.

Posey got a $25 million contract. Nocioni's making $29 million in the same period. This upsets Scal's contract. Plus, we're giving Big Baby away.

But as someone who never took seriously the "oh, that single season of a MLE contract in 2012 will kill our future" rationale I see your point.

Nocioni is a more effective PF than Posey and is far more of an offensive threat - he's a true 6th man, not a specialist type - if Boston did do this deal, (highly doubt it,) it would be completely different than signing Posey.

It wasn't about the $$ with Posey, it was about the value Posey brought relative to the role he'd fill. Nocioni is more valuable at his price, but he's still likely too expensive to justify...

What i'd like to know is this: If Boston ends up getting Joe Smith and Stephon Marbury, what is everyone going to have to say for themselves that Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ed about the past off-season and Danny "screwing up?"

The plan was clearly always about playing the trade and waiver wire game, so if it pays off then it looks like he did his job well...