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Re: The Tony Allen Bandwagon
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2009, 05:02:22 PM »

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One of my dad's favorite lines is:  "The nice thing about banging your head against the wall is that if feels good when you stop."

I'm pretty much at that point with Tony.  I'm tired of getting my hopes up.

your dad has a good taste in lines, thats a good one.

Yes he does...His issue is beating the dead horse with them   ::)::)

Actually, I guess that's more my issue (he just seems to enjoy beating that horse more and more as the years go by)
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Re: The Tony Allen Bandwagon
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2009, 05:13:42 PM »

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ITs pretty simple, he plays hardnosed basketball, plays good, tough defense most of the time which is backed up ny his opponents PER. He leads the bench in ppg on a good FG%, his slashing ability opens up alot of good looks for House outside and Powe downlow, its up to them to finish the plays though. He loves playing for the Celtics which he has made clear many times and his teammates like him. I never made him out to be a star or anything, but he is a pretty good roleplayer and really cares about winning which sadly isnt a given with all athletes anymore.

I can understand why people dont like him but you dont see me saying those people are crazy for not liking him, its a matter of opinion. I know he makes frustrating plays on offense and defense, cant shoot, and looks for contact instead of finishing way too much but i think he brings alot of good too. My opinion isn't going to change and either is yours, that wasnt the point of this thread but i wish people would of tried not to bash him in here and done it in the 400 threads that do that already.

dont you need to be able to dribble to be considered a slasher?



dont you need to dribble to be a point guard?  nobody cares that eddie dribbles even worse than tony

At least Eddie keeps his turnovers down.  Eddie averages the fewest turnovers per minute of any guard on the team; Tony averages the highest number of turnovers per minute of any of our rotation player (for the second year in a row).  Tony also has a negative assist-to-turnover ratio.  Turnovers are a problem with the guy, and his defenders need to recognize this.

  Eddie doesn't turn the ball over because his offensive contribution (which is useful to us, don't get me wrong) consists mainly of shooting the ball when someone passes it to him when he's open. He doesn't dribble much or make a lot of tough passes. Allen is turnover prone but he's trying to create his own shot or at least break down the defense when he turns the ball over. While Tony does have a negative assist/turnover ratio, Eddie's assist/bad pass ratio is the same as Tony's.

Re: The Tony Allen Bandwagon
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2009, 05:26:23 PM »

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TA will be fine come playoff time, just as BBD will be fine.  Are they tradeable?  Of course.  On this roster, everyone except Pierce and Garnett is tradeable.  Even Ray Allen could be had for the right price (which would be high).

Re: The Tony Allen Bandwagon
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2009, 05:31:22 PM »

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I think what everyone needs to realize, no matter who you like on the bench, is that none of them are all that good, and no one on the bench is going to make us regret trading them. 

The consequences of such a realization are twofold:

1) We need to upgrade the bench pretty badly.

2) Trading any of our "young talent" (which is grossly overrated by some on this board) to acquire better bench players should not be bemoaned.  The chances of anyone on this bench being anything more than a role player is fairly remote and the chances of anyone ever being a star is almost nonexistent. 

Re: The Tony Allen Bandwagon
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2009, 05:49:47 PM »

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I think what everyone needs to realize, no matter who you like on the bench, is that none of them are all that good, and no one on the bench is going to make us regret trading them. 

The consequences of such a realization are twofold:

1) We need to upgrade the bench pretty badly.

2) Trading any of our "young talent" (which is grossly overrated by some on this board) to acquire better bench players should not be bemoaned.  The chances of anyone on this bench being anything more than a role player is fairly remote and the chances of anyone ever being a star is almost nonexistent. 

So what else is new?  You could make that statement about every team in the league, with the possible exception of Minnesota (Kevin Love).

Re: The Tony Allen Bandwagon
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2009, 06:12:06 PM »

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ITs pretty simple, he plays hardnosed basketball, plays good, tough defense most of the time which is backed up ny his opponents PER. He leads the bench in ppg on a good FG%, his slashing ability opens up alot of good looks for House outside and Powe downlow, its up to them to finish the plays though. He loves playing for the Celtics which he has made clear many times and his teammates like him. I never made him out to be a star or anything, but he is a pretty good roleplayer and really cares about winning which sadly isnt a given with all athletes anymore.

I can understand why people dont like him but you dont see me saying those people are crazy for not liking him, its a matter of opinion. I know he makes frustrating plays on offense and defense, cant shoot, and looks for contact instead of finishing way too much but i think he brings alot of good too. My opinion isn't going to change and either is yours, that wasnt the point of this thread but i wish people would of tried not to bash him in here and done it in the 400 threads that do that already.

dont you need to be able to dribble to be considered a slasher?



dont you need to dribble to be a point guard?  nobody cares that eddie dribbles even worse than tony

At least Eddie keeps his turnovers down.  Eddie averages the fewest turnovers per minute of any guard on the team; Tony averages the highest number of turnovers per minute of any of our rotation player (for the second year in a row).  Tony also has a negative assist-to-turnover ratio.  Turnovers are a problem with the guy, and his defenders need to recognize this.

They always will be because Tony's basketball IQ is apparently a single-digit number. You can't have that kind of player on the floor in crunch time, regular season or playoffs.

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Re: The Tony Allen Bandwagon
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2009, 06:15:13 PM »

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I'll jump on the bandwagon. Go TA and and go Celts.

Anyone who comes back from the kind of injuries Tony has had is a winner in my book.

Re: The Tony Allen Bandwagon
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2009, 06:20:26 PM »

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Yeah, hes really helping us right now  ::)

Sorry, but he's an embarrassment, i wish the best for him, i've tried to like him...just dont

8 posts in and already somebody bashing him, nice. He obviously cant help us now as he is hurt, but when he was playing he was obvioulsy helping them win games. If he is an embarassment i dont want to know what the rest of the bench is.

How do you expect people to respond to your question of "Do you like TA" if you don't want anyone to say they don't?! You can't take a guy like TA who you obviously know a huge amount of people dislike, and expect them not to say they don't like him when you ask the question. Sorry we couldn't stroke your ego agreeing with you, but the guy has more minuses than pluses. If you want to start a thread where no one will disagree then start something like "KG has great energy out there. Don't you all agree?!"

I know there are many who dont like him, thats why the point of this thread was about people who DO like him. THere are plenty of threads to hate on TA in, this was just about people who like him and wanted to say good thing about him. It may be a suprise to you, but there are actually a good amount of people who like TA and have good things to say about him. I wasnt telling people who dont like him to like him or say good things about him, it's for people who are fans of him and wanted to get a chance to compliment him without every other post bashing him.

What is there good to say about Tony? Honestly... I can think of nothing positive to say about him
...what do you like about him? I just dont get it, list me some things positive about him please

Shame on all of you who decided to bash TA in this thread. The purpose of the thread was for positive Tony Allen discussion, as Matt stated in the original post. Post on one of the countless other TA hating topics instead of just blatantly ignoring the point of this thread.

The fact that you can't think of anything positive to say about Tony Allen, our best defender at the 2, shows a limited knowledge of the game.

Re: The Tony Allen Bandwagon
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2009, 06:25:41 PM »

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ITs pretty simple, he plays hardnosed basketball, plays good, tough defense most of the time which is backed up ny his opponents PER. He leads the bench in ppg on a good FG%, his slashing ability opens up alot of good looks for House outside and Powe downlow, its up to them to finish the plays though. He loves playing for the Celtics which he has made clear many times and his teammates like him. I never made him out to be a star or anything, but he is a pretty good roleplayer and really cares about winning which sadly isnt a given with all athletes anymore.

I can understand why people dont like him but you dont see me saying those people are crazy for not liking him, its a matter of opinion. I know he makes frustrating plays on offense and defense, cant shoot, and looks for contact instead of finishing way too much but i think he brings alot of good too. My opinion isn't going to change and either is yours, that wasnt the point of this thread but i wish people would of tried not to bash him in here and done it in the 400 threads that do that already.

dont you need to be able to dribble to be considered a slasher?



dont you need to dribble to be a point guard?  nobody cares that eddie dribbles even worse than tony

At least Eddie keeps his turnovers down.  Eddie averages the fewest turnovers per minute of any guard on the team; Tony averages the highest number of turnovers per minute of any of our rotation player (for the second year in a row).  Tony also has a negative assist-to-turnover ratio.  Turnovers are a problem with the guy, and his defenders need to recognize this.


Your statistic on Eddie House is too flawed to even provoke an intelligent rebuttal.

Re: The Tony Allen Bandwagon
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2009, 06:40:12 PM »

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Yeah, hes really helping us right now  ::)

Sorry, but he's an embarrassment, i wish the best for him, i've tried to like him...just dont

8 posts in and already somebody bashing him, nice. He obviously cant help us now as he is hurt, but when he was playing he was obvioulsy helping them win games. If he is an embarassment i dont want to know what the rest of the bench is.

How do you expect people to respond to your question of "Do you like TA" if you don't want anyone to say they don't?! You can't take a guy like TA who you obviously know a huge amount of people dislike, and expect them not to say they don't like him when you ask the question. Sorry we couldn't stroke your ego agreeing with you, but the guy has more minuses than pluses. If you want to start a thread where no one will disagree then start something like "KG has great energy out there. Don't you all agree?!"

I know there are many who dont like him, thats why the point of this thread was about people who DO like him. THere are plenty of threads to hate on TA in, this was just about people who like him and wanted to say good thing about him. It may be a suprise to you, but there are actually a good amount of people who like TA and have good things to say about him. I wasnt telling people who dont like him to like him or say good things about him, it's for people who are fans of him and wanted to get a chance to compliment him without every other post bashing him.

What is there good to say about Tony? Honestly... I can think of nothing positive to say about him
...what do you like about him? I just dont get it, list me some things positive about him please

Shame on all of you who decided to bash TA in this thread. The purpose of the thread was for positive Tony Allen discussion, as Matt stated in the original post. Post on one of the countless other TA hating topics instead of just blatantly ignoring the point of this thread.

The fact that you can't think of anything positive to say about Tony Allen, our best defender at the 2, shows a limited knowledge of the game.


Maybe since about 80% of the comments in this thread are NOT people on the TA Bandwagon the answer is that there are a lot of empty seats around you guys. Most people have seen the light that he has way to many flaws.

Re: The Tony Allen Bandwagon
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2009, 06:43:22 PM »

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Yeah, hes really helping us right now  ::)

Sorry, but he's an embarrassment, i wish the best for him, i've tried to like him...just dont

8 posts in and already somebody bashing him, nice. He obviously cant help us now as he is hurt, but when he was playing he was obvioulsy helping them win games. If he is an embarassment i dont want to know what the rest of the bench is.

How do you expect people to respond to your question of "Do you like TA" if you don't want anyone to say they don't?! You can't take a guy like TA who you obviously know a huge amount of people dislike, and expect them not to say they don't like him when you ask the question. Sorry we couldn't stroke your ego agreeing with you, but the guy has more minuses than pluses. If you want to start a thread where no one will disagree then start something like "KG has great energy out there. Don't you all agree?!"

I know there are many who dont like him, thats why the point of this thread was about people who DO like him. THere are plenty of threads to hate on TA in, this was just about people who like him and wanted to say good thing about him. It may be a suprise to you, but there are actually a good amount of people who like TA and have good things to say about him. I wasnt telling people who dont like him to like him or say good things about him, it's for people who are fans of him and wanted to get a chance to compliment him without every other post bashing him.

What is there good to say about Tony? Honestly... I can think of nothing positive to say about him
...what do you like about him? I just dont get it, list me some things positive about him please

Shame on all of you who decided to bash TA in this thread. The purpose of the thread was for positive Tony Allen discussion, as Matt stated in the original post. Post on one of the countless other TA hating topics instead of just blatantly ignoring the point of this thread.

The fact that you can't think of anything positive to say about Tony Allen, our best defender at the 2, shows a limited knowledge of the game.


Maybe since about 80% of the comments in this thread are NOT people on the TA Bandwagon the answer is that there are a lot of empty seats around you guys. Most people have seen the light that he has way to many flaws.

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Re: The Tony Allen Bandwagon
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2009, 06:47:17 PM »

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Yeah, hes really helping us right now  ::)

Sorry, but he's an embarrassment, i wish the best for him, i've tried to like him...just dont

8 posts in and already somebody bashing him, nice. He obviously cant help us now as he is hurt, but when he was playing he was obvioulsy helping them win games. If he is an embarassment i dont want to know what the rest of the bench is.

How do you expect people to respond to your question of "Do you like TA" if you don't want anyone to say they don't?! You can't take a guy like TA who you obviously know a huge amount of people dislike, and expect them not to say they don't like him when you ask the question. Sorry we couldn't stroke your ego agreeing with you, but the guy has more minuses than pluses. If you want to start a thread where no one will disagree then start something like "KG has great energy out there. Don't you all agree?!"

I know there are many who dont like him, thats why the point of this thread was about people who DO like him. THere are plenty of threads to hate on TA in, this was just about people who like him and wanted to say good thing about him. It may be a suprise to you, but there are actually a good amount of people who like TA and have good things to say about him. I wasnt telling people who dont like him to like him or say good things about him, it's for people who are fans of him and wanted to get a chance to compliment him without every other post bashing him.

What is there good to say about Tony? Honestly... I can think of nothing positive to say about him
...what do you like about him? I just dont get it, list me some things positive about him please

Shame on all of you who decided to bash TA in this thread. The purpose of the thread was for positive Tony Allen discussion, as Matt stated in the original post. Post on one of the countless other TA hating topics instead of just blatantly ignoring the point of this thread.

The fact that you can't think of anything positive to say about Tony Allen, our best defender at the 2, shows a limited knowledge of the game.


Maybe since about 80% of the comments in this thread are NOT people on the TA Bandwagon the answer is that there are a lot of empty seats around you guys. Most people have seen the light that he has way to many flaws.

All that shows is a complete disregard for what was asked.

Re: The Tony Allen Bandwagon
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2009, 06:50:19 PM »

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Yeah, hes really helping us right now  ::)

Sorry, but he's an embarrassment, i wish the best for him, i've tried to like him...just dont

8 posts in and already somebody bashing him, nice. He obviously cant help us now as he is hurt, but when he was playing he was obvioulsy helping them win games. If he is an embarassment i dont want to know what the rest of the bench is.

How do you expect people to respond to your question of "Do you like TA" if you don't want anyone to say they don't?! You can't take a guy like TA who you obviously know a huge amount of people dislike, and expect them not to say they don't like him when you ask the question. Sorry we couldn't stroke your ego agreeing with you, but the guy has more minuses than pluses. If you want to start a thread where no one will disagree then start something like "KG has great energy out there. Don't you all agree?!"

I know there are many who dont like him, thats why the point of this thread was about people who DO like him. THere are plenty of threads to hate on TA in, this was just about people who like him and wanted to say good thing about him. It may be a suprise to you, but there are actually a good amount of people who like TA and have good things to say about him. I wasnt telling people who dont like him to like him or say good things about him, it's for people who are fans of him and wanted to get a chance to compliment him without every other post bashing him.

What is there good to say about Tony? Honestly... I can think of nothing positive to say about him
...what do you like about him? I just dont get it, list me some things positive about him please

Shame on all of you who decided to bash TA in this thread. The purpose of the thread was for positive Tony Allen discussion, as Matt stated in the original post. Post on one of the countless other TA hating topics instead of just blatantly ignoring the point of this thread.

The fact that you can't think of anything positive to say about Tony Allen, our best defender at the 2, shows a limited knowledge of the game.


Maybe since about 80% of the comments in this thread are NOT people on the TA Bandwagon the answer is that there are a lot of empty seats around you guys. Most people have seen the light that he has way to many flaws.

Actually, there are a few more people in this thread that said they liked TA than people who said they didnt. But yeah 80% is right on  ::). There are about 9 or 10 people who bashed him here while 12 or 13 said they like him.

Re: The Tony Allen Bandwagon
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2009, 06:51:04 PM »

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I think what everyone needs to realize, no matter who you like on the bench, is that none of them are all that good, and no one on the bench is going to make us regret trading them. 

The consequences of such a realization are twofold:

1) We need to upgrade the bench pretty badly.

2) Trading any of our "young talent" (which is grossly overrated by some on this board) to acquire better bench players should not be bemoaned.  The chances of anyone on this bench being anything more than a role player is fairly remote and the chances of anyone ever being a star is almost nonexistent. 

True. Which is exactly the reason we haven't made any trades to this point. No one wants anyone on that bench, or at least bad enough to give something back to us of value. If TA was as good as this thread is trying to insinuate, we would have been able to make a deal by now.  There are 4 guys on here that I don't want to see leave. Eddie and Powe. They are dependable and fill a needed role. Then Walker and POB. Walker has glimpses of big potential, and you won't get anything for POB and a 7 footer with that wingspan and offensive ability is more valuable than anything we'd get in return. Take anyone else and get whatever you can for them. No one else is that good. Especially not TA.

Re: The Tony Allen Bandwagon
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2009, 07:02:37 PM »

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I think what everyone needs to realize, no matter who you like on the bench, is that none of them are all that good, and no one on the bench is going to make us regret trading them. 

The consequences of such a realization are twofold:

1) We need to upgrade the bench pretty badly.

2) Trading any of our "young talent" (which is grossly overrated by some on this board) to acquire better bench players should not be bemoaned.  The chances of anyone on this bench being anything more than a role player is fairly remote and the chances of anyone ever being a star is almost nonexistent. 

True. Which is exactly the reason we haven't made any trades to this point. No one wants anyone on that bench, or at least bad enough to give something back to us of value. If TA was as good as this thread is trying to insinuate, we would have been able to make a deal by now.  There are 4 guys on here that I don't want to see leave. Eddie and Powe. They are dependable and fill a needed role. Then Walker and POB. Walker has glimpses of big potential, and you won't get anything for POB and a 7 footer with that wingspan and offensive ability is more valuable than anything we'd get in return. Take anyone else and get whatever you can for them. No one else is that good. Especially not TA.

Nobody in this thread said TA is anymore than a roleplayer, so thats a baseless comment. Maybe its possible Danny isnt trying to shop TA, thats why he hasnt been dealt, unless you are in on the meeting with Danny then you have no idea.

Eddie and Powe fill roles and are dependable? Eddie the guy who ruins our offensive tempo every game, he is really dependable if you expect him to slow to game down and get abused on defense. TA averages more ppg than House without a 3 point shot, he also shoots 47% from the field. TA has scored in double figures 14 times in 33 games, House has scored in double figures 14 times in 41 games. amd dont even say House brings other things because all he can do is shoot. TA has 3 or more assists 6 times in 33 games, House has 3 or more assists 7 times in 41 games, so House certainly does get more assists and dont even bring defense into it.

Len Powe, the "loveable" hard worker so far this year has been a huge disappointment too, his minutes are up from last year yet his ppg, fg%,Ft% are down while his rebounds are the same in 1 more minute a game. He has scored in double figured 13 times in 42 games while being bad on defense, especially on rotations. He has been just as inconsistent as TA on offense and not even close as good defensively, what is so dependable about him?

So please, tell me what they bring that we need so bad. People are living off of last year with Powe and House, they both have regressed and if we got something of value theyd be gone. Powe has been as good as TA this year, those two are close but House hasnt even been close to as good as TA, this fallacy of those two being so important to us while TA isn't is a joke, much like House and Powe's defense/passing. And POB, lol, the guy over the last few weeks who is averaging 15 fouls per 48 minutes and 9 TO's per 48 playing against scrubs. Nevermind not trading him, he is getting released as soon as the Celts add another player.
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