The Tony Allen Bandwagon

[D Dub]

I'm on board.  I think Tony adds that element of a slasher than can create off the bench for us that we didn't have last year.  Also, I think he is one of the most under-rated defenders in the league.  I think he will play well in the playoffs this year when wistles blow more often for quick slashers like him.

That said, EJ, this line is hilarious.  Can't agree with your sentiment, but TP for the laugh.

News Alert! While driving down the lane, the Tony Allen Bandwagon just ran into the car in front of them causing a rollover... Or was that a TURNover...

[TatteredOnMySleeve]

Yeah, hes really helping us right now 

Sorry, but he's an embarrassment, i wish the best for him, i've tried to like him...just dont

8 posts in and already somebody bashing him, nice. He obviously cant help us now as he is hurt, but when he was playing he was obvioulsy helping them win games. If he is an embarassment i dont want to know what the rest of the bench is.

How do you expect people to respond to your question of "Do you like TA" if you don't want anyone to say they don't?! You can't take a guy like TA who you obviously know a huge amount of people dislike, and expect them not to say they don't like him when you ask the question. Sorry we couldn't stroke your ego agreeing with you, but the guy has more minuses than pluses. If you want to start a thread where no one will disagree then start something like "KG has great energy out there. Don't you all agree?!"

I know there are many who dont like him, thats why the point of this thread was about people who DO like him. THere are plenty of threads to hate on TA in, this was just about people who like him and wanted to say good thing about him. It may be a suprise to you, but there are actually a good amount of people who like TA and have good things to say about him. I wasnt telling people who dont like him to like him or say good things about him, it's for people who are fans of him and wanted to get a chance to compliment him without every other post bashing him.

What is there good to say about Tony? Honestly... I can think of nothing positive to say about him...what do you like about him? I just dont get it, list me some things positive about him please

[wdleehi]

Yeah, hes really helping us right now 

Sorry, but he's an embarrassment, i wish the best for him, i've tried to like him...just dont

8 posts in and already somebody bashing him, nice. He obviously cant help us now as he is hurt, but when he was playing he was obvioulsy helping them win games. If he is an embarassment i dont want to know what the rest of the bench is.

How do you expect people to respond to your question of "Do you like TA" if you don't want anyone to say they don't?! You can't take a guy like TA who you obviously know a huge amount of people dislike, and expect them not to say they don't like him when you ask the question. Sorry we couldn't stroke your ego agreeing with you, but the guy has more minuses than pluses. If you want to start a thread where no one will disagree then start something like "KG has great energy out there. Don't you all agree?!"

I know there are many who dont like him, thats why the point of this thread was about people who DO like him. THere are plenty of threads to hate on TA in, this was just about people who like him and wanted to say good thing about him. It may be a suprise to you, but there are actually a good amount of people who like TA and have good things to say about him. I wasnt telling people who dont like him to like him or say good things about him, it's for people who are fans of him and wanted to get a chance to compliment him without every other post bashing him.

What is there good to say about Tony? Honestly... I can think of nothing positive to say about him...what do you like about him? I just dont get it, list me some things positive about him please

He makes healthy diet choices. 

[Big_Matt34]

ITs pretty simple, he plays hardnosed basketball, plays good, tough defense most of the time which is backed up ny his opponents PER. He leads the bench in ppg on a good FG%, his slashing ability opens up alot of good looks for House outside and Powe downlow, its up to them to finish the plays though. He loves playing for the Celtics which he has made clear many times and his teammates like him. I never made him out to be a star or anything, but he is a pretty good roleplayer and really cares about winning which sadly isnt a given with all athletes anymore.

I can understand why people dont like him but you dont see me saying those people are crazy for not liking him, its a matter of opinion. I know he makes frustrating plays on offense and defense, cant shoot, and looks for contact instead of finishing way too much but i think he brings alot of good too. My opinion isn't going to change and either is yours, that wasnt the point of this thread but i wish people would of tried not to bash him in here and done it in the 400 threads that do that already.

[CoachBo]

I'll jump on the "TA Support Bus", not necessarily the bandwagon.

Be careful.

I've got a tire iron and I'm loosening the nuts on the wheels.

 

[crownsy]

ITs pretty simple, he plays hardnosed basketball, plays good, tough defense most of the time which is backed up ny his opponents PER. He leads the bench in ppg on a good FG%, his slashing ability opens up alot of good looks for House outside and Powe downlow, its up to them to finish the plays though. He loves playing for the Celtics which he has made clear many times and his teammates like him. I never made him out to be a star or anything, but he is a pretty good roleplayer and really cares about winning which sadly isnt a given with all athletes anymore.

I can understand why people dont like him but you dont see me saying those people are crazy for not liking him, its a matter of opinion. I know he makes frustrating plays on offense and defense, cant shoot, and looks for contact instead of finishing way too much but i think he brings alot of good too. My opinion isn't going to change and either is yours, that wasnt the point of this thread but i wish people would of tried not to bash him in here and done it in the 400 threads that do that already.

dont you need to be able to dribble to be considered a slasher?

[Big_Matt34]

He is a good enough dribbler when its just slashing to the hoop and he has a pretty good power crossover but anything more than 2 dribbles and he gets himself in trouble, thats why i cringe when i see him taking it up the court because he starts dribbling lazy and loses the ball or bounces it off his knees lol, its painful to watch. He should just start all of his drives from 20 feet or so, further out than that the result usually isnt very good.

[shiggins]

ITs pretty simple, he plays hardnosed basketball, plays good, tough defense most of the time which is backed up ny his opponents PER. He leads the bench in ppg on a good FG%, his slashing ability opens up alot of good looks for House outside and Powe downlow, its up to them to finish the plays though. He loves playing for the Celtics which he has made clear many times and his teammates like him. I never made him out to be a star or anything, but he is a pretty good roleplayer and really cares about winning which sadly isnt a given with all athletes anymore.

I can understand why people dont like him but you dont see me saying those people are crazy for not liking him, its a matter of opinion. I know he makes frustrating plays on offense and defense, cant shoot, and looks for contact instead of finishing way too much but i think he brings alot of good too. My opinion isn't going to change and either is yours, that wasnt the point of this thread but i wish people would of tried not to bash him in here and done it in the 400 threads that do that already.

dont you need to be able to dribble to be considered a slasher?

dont you need to dribble to be a point guard?  nobody cares that eddie dribbles even worse than tony

[gkiteisscal]

I was on the Tony bandwagon from day 1.  I thought he brought a lot of raw talent to the table.  When PP was injured that year, I thought Tony was becoming the player I thought he could be.  Then he got injured, by surpise, suprise, doing something stupid.  I felt last season his injury held him back and he was relearning how to play his game.  This season I came in thinking he is going to have his chance to show that he can be that player.  He had a couple seasons under his belt, he is a hard worker, and hopefully some of his athleticism would come back.  

So far, even when he was playing well, I have been absolutely disapointed.  He still makes mistakes that he should not make.  Since he came into the league, I've been saying he leaves his feet too much and he fould jumpshooters too often.  Guess what?  It hasn't changed.  Also, I have been in 100% agreement with Cousy, 3 dribble drives.  If Tony puts the ball on the ground more than 3 times trying to get to the lane he either turns it over or forces up a bad shot.  If he has not learnt to do these two things in the past 4 years, I doubt he ever will.  Having said that I hope the TA bandwagon has a destination in another city, hopfully one with an extra veteran inside presence.

I know this thread was supposed to be about positivity and as a TA fan I cannot say I am positive about much of his game at this point.

[Roy Hobbs]

ITs pretty simple, he plays hardnosed basketball, plays good, tough defense most of the time which is backed up ny his opponents PER. He leads the bench in ppg on a good FG%, his slashing ability opens up alot of good looks for House outside and Powe downlow, its up to them to finish the plays though. He loves playing for the Celtics which he has made clear many times and his teammates like him. I never made him out to be a star or anything, but he is a pretty good roleplayer and really cares about winning which sadly isnt a given with all athletes anymore.

I can understand why people dont like him but you dont see me saying those people are crazy for not liking him, its a matter of opinion. I know he makes frustrating plays on offense and defense, cant shoot, and looks for contact instead of finishing way too much but i think he brings alot of good too. My opinion isn't going to change and either is yours, that wasnt the point of this thread but i wish people would of tried not to bash him in here and done it in the 400 threads that do that already.

dont you need to be able to dribble to be considered a slasher?

dont you need to dribble to be a point guard?  nobody cares that eddie dribbles even worse than tony

At least Eddie keeps his turnovers down.  Eddie averages the fewest turnovers per minute of any guard on the team; Tony averages the highest number of turnovers per minute of any of our rotation player (for the second year in a row).  Tony also has a negative assist-to-turnover ratio.  Turnovers are a problem with the guy, and his defenders need to recognize this.

[Toine43]

ITs pretty simple, he plays hardnosed basketball, plays good, tough defense most of the time which is backed up ny his opponents PER. He leads the bench in ppg on a good FG%, his slashing ability opens up alot of good looks for House outside and Powe downlow, its up to them to finish the plays though. He loves playing for the Celtics which he has made clear many times and his teammates like him. I never made him out to be a star or anything, but he is a pretty good roleplayer and really cares about winning which sadly isnt a given with all athletes anymore.

I can understand why people dont like him but you dont see me saying those people are crazy for not liking him, its a matter of opinion. I know he makes frustrating plays on offense and defense, cant shoot, and looks for contact instead of finishing way too much but i think he brings alot of good too. My opinion isn't going to change and either is yours, that wasnt the point of this thread but i wish people would of tried not to bash him in here and done it in the 400 threads that do that already.

A lot of guys play hardnosed basketball and are great teammates, and try hard, etc. So while I think that stuff is worth mentioning, it shouldn't be the centerpiece of your argument.

I know this is supposed to be a TA support thread, but that's a little boring, isn't it? Here's my opinion of Tony Allen. I'm using a part of a post of mine from a couple of weeks ago, because my opinion is no different now.

Tony Allen is not a good basketball player, and if we go into the playoffs with him as the backup 2, we will be in major trouble. He is offensive posion - he has possibly the worst handles of any NBA shooting guard I've ever seen, he has horrible court vision, no basketball IQ to speak of, one of the ugliest jumpers in the league, he's not a 3-point threat, whenver he gets the ball he disrupts the flow of the offense, he's predictable to guard, easy to help off of due to his poor shot, he's a walking turnover, and he's not even a very good finisher. The only thing he has is natural athletic ability, which can be said for a billion other guys in the NBA. He once had 2 redeeming qualities (leaping ability and quickness), and now he only has 1, because he lost his leaping ability after the knee surgery. On top of all that, he's injury prone, and his defense has deteriorated this year to the point where he's simply not worth having on the floor anymore.

[Redz]

One of my dad's favorite lines is:  "The nice thing about banging your head against the wall is that if feels good when you stop."

I'm pretty much at that point with Tony.  I'm tired of getting my hopes up.

[xmuscularghandix]

One of my dad's favorite lines is:  "The nice thing about banging your head against the wall is that if feels good when you stop."

I'm pretty much at that point with Tony.  I'm tired of getting my hopes up.

your dad has a good taste in lines, thats a good one.

[Andy Jick]

it's time to hitch his wagon to a new ride...

[Vermont Green]

Think of it this way, is a Pruitt-T. Allen 2nd team backcourt better than a Pruitt-House backcourt (I think so)?

My point is that putting Tony out there with House is bad for both House and Tony but especially for Tony.  He of all people needs a real point guard.

Tony is alright but cetainly expendable if a trade were to materialize.