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Re: Wise to Keep Bill Walker?
« Reply #75 on: January 15, 2009, 08:55:54 PM »

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He is going to pick up those rotations better  as he gets more PT, but he does a lot of good things out there to make up for a missed rotation here and there.

But see, this is my whole point about Walker.  There is no need to make excuses like this, because he took advantage of his time out there.  No one needs to argue that he will pick up the rotations with more playing time, because he went out there, and was arguably the best player on the floor during the little playing time he was given.

Perhaps you are right about POB (although I highly doubt it...but I will happily give you TPs if you are), but I just don't think the C's are in a position where they can simply give someone more playing time, just hoping they will learn the defensive rotations. 

This team is built on good, sound, team defense.  They aren't going to make an exception about that for POB.  If he simply needs more playing time, then perhaps he can go down to the NBDL.  Otherwise, he needs to start stepping it up when he is out there, or else he is never going to win over Doc's trust.

You guys are being way too generous in your comments about how he played. I went back and re-watched that stretch, and yes I did notice he at times was playing good d, much of that was because I was focusing on it. He wasn't perfect. You're making him out to have played this unreal game and it just wasn't the case. He was solid at times. He didn't make a ton of mistakes. I was absolutely thrilled with what we got out of him last night and want to see a lot more of him. He wasn't this unbelievable player ready to go out there and take over the second unit though.

I think the numbers speak for themselves about POB. He IS stepping it up when he is out there. He is doing everything asked of him, and for a guy with very little court time against NBA players, he is doing a fine job. BBD makes more mistakes out there on the floor than POB does. Heck, they all miss assignments and rotations, including the starters. To single the guy out for a couple missed rotations yet completely ignore all the good things he is doing out there is just an agenda against the guy. No different than the Scal haters.

none of that is true IMO. people are excited by how he played, but almost all of us prefaced our comments with "played well, but against scrubs, garbage time, like to see him against real players for a true eval, ect."

we didn't term him "the chosen one" you did. I think your far overblowing the hype going on in this thread.

how should i speak of him EJ? am i allowed to discuss what he did without saying "but of course, we all know this didnt count/wont last/is a myth/isn't useful." or otherwise being overly negiive to prove i'm skeptical?

The only one who seems to be taking manic swings is you reply posts my friend :) We are just discussing a rookie who looked good in garbage time, thats all.
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Re: Wise to Keep Bill Walker?
« Reply #76 on: January 15, 2009, 10:35:34 PM »

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Hard to see people making judgments based on one game. This has been posted already; but is pretty consistent with what I saw from a couple of the Games I saw.

From D League Showcase

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bill-Walker-552/

He has trouble with turnovers (some from charges like last night).
He needs better ball handleing
He gets in foul trouble


Should mention that the foul trouble may be because he was playing more on the interior in D league. Giddens was more consistent than Walker until he hurt his wrist.

Re: Wise to Keep Bill Walker?
« Reply #77 on: January 15, 2009, 10:54:28 PM »

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Hard to see people making judgments based on one game. This has been posted already; but is pretty consistent with what I saw from a couple of the Games I saw.

From D League Showcase

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bill-Walker-552/

He has trouble with turnovers (some from charges like last night).
He needs better ball handleing
He gets in foul trouble


Should mention that the foul trouble may be because he was playing more on the interior in D league. Giddens was more consistent than Walker until he hurt his wrist.

what charge last night?
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Re: Wise to Keep Bill Walker?
« Reply #78 on: January 15, 2009, 11:29:45 PM »

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Hard to see people making judgments based on one game. This has been posted already; but is pretty consistent with what I saw from a couple of the Games I saw.

From D League Showcase

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bill-Walker-552/

He has trouble with turnovers (some from charges like last night).
He needs better ball handleing
He gets in foul trouble


Should mention that the foul trouble may be because he was playing more on the interior in D league. Giddens was more consistent than Walker until he hurt his wrist.

what charge last night?

I think he might mean the play where Billy did the flashy around the guy dribble and he jumped up. I recall when he jumped up to lay it in the basket, during it he crashed into someone. I guess it could have been a charge, but I don't think the refs at that point cared since it was minor, that and it was the last 3 minutes of the game in a blowout.
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Re: Wise to Keep Bill Walker?
« Reply #79 on: January 16, 2009, 02:16:38 AM »

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Im not going to reply to all of the posts id like to but I do have my opinions.
First of all it was not a charge, the defensive man is to be in position before the offensive player leaves the point of no return, this line under the basket was supposed to be used when there was a tie.
We will never see the amount of great plays we saw when MJ was playing now, since most players are afraid to leave to early for fear someone will run under him stop before there is contact, and some dumd ref will make the charge call.
Now to walker, I havent seen him play much, but in the 12 minutes he played last night I saw things that TA,GG,and Ricky Davis have never shown.
Serious foot work on offense, and poise.
The first time he caught the ball he kept it swinging to the opposite side, we all know GG, And RD would have felt compelled to shoot it or drive.
The thing I liked about him was he played team ball on both ends of the floor, but picked his spots on offense enough to keep the defense from leaving him alone.
His foot work was excellent, you cant teach some people this, there are quicker players that cannot get to the rim, just because they dont know how to set up their defender, walker was a natural at this.
His effort on defense was better than either Pierce or Allen, and he stayed in front of him man well.
This may have been garbage time he was in, but it is the same garbage time GG, and TA have had for several years and neither seemed to take to the pro game this well.
I look forward to him getting more time so we can all see what he has sooner rather than after we trade him.
For those that are going to tell me he is not ready and he hasent earned it, whose min is he going to get, there are easy 15 min a game for him right now and nobody on the team has played the 3 spot as well as he did, I find it addition by subtraction, as he will only get min nobody else had made a case for.
Serious with TA out who played the 3 better this year, Pierce excluded.
I also think POB needs more time, right now.
If I ever see Leon, and BBD on the court at the same time again in my life it will be to soon.
I think we should start POB while perk is down, as he would be on the court with 4 stars and he would have excellent people to learn from, and he wont have to worry about cleaning up others mistakes as often with the starters on the floor.
The guy actually changes shots, and can finish at the rim, something, Powe, and BBD struggle at, and with the starters, these will be less contested, as the stars draw so much attention.
With POB and KG playing together, we could beat opposing bigs down the floor more often, and we all know how effective Rondo is on the break, he will be even more awsome with another finisher.
Anyway this is my oppinion.
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Re: Wise to Keep Bill Walker?
« Reply #80 on: January 16, 2009, 05:39:07 AM »

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i really think that if we have more "garbage time" our younger players will be able to grow on the court. from this point forward if we can blow out bad teams instead of losing to them, all of our starters should be able to sit out the fourth quarter. then we can talke about Walker and POB.

Re: Wise to Keep Bill Walker?
« Reply #81 on: January 16, 2009, 08:25:52 AM »

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Doc seemed to question POB's consistency or focus. Given that he has been on the floor limited minuted this would seem to be hard to work on. Is hard to get into the flow of the game when you are always worried that you are going to be yanked. Walker seems to be able get around this because of his confidence and the fact that he seems to thrive on that kind of pressure. The only way POB will get the confidence will be from playing.

Re: Wise to Keep Bill Walker?
« Reply #82 on: January 16, 2009, 09:38:06 AM »

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this is probably the biggest game that billy has played in. heres a video of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0r9HS9qmV8

K-State beats Paul Pierce's #2 ranked Kansas (who later win the championship)

and then this is his first game with KSTATE, he joined the team during the second semester.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K09krOegG4
(at about 2:00 his first basket looks very similar to his first basket 2 nights ago, except here he pulls up for the jumper, basically the same move from the same part of the court though)


Re: Wise to Keep Bill Walker?
« Reply #83 on: January 18, 2009, 01:54:08 PM »

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The talk about his technical foul is ridiculous, he did was your taught, foul hard enough that he doesn't get the And1. Make him earn his points. This is the type of play that made us love Posey. i loved the foul.

Re: Wise to Keep Bill Walker?
« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2009, 06:21:59 PM »

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Where can I see this T foul.
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Re: Wise to Keep Bill Walker?
« Reply #85 on: January 18, 2009, 07:57:21 PM »

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its not even a big enough deal, the only person that thought it was bad was the nets announcer.

Re: Wise to Keep Bill Walker?
« Reply #86 on: January 19, 2009, 11:34:11 AM »

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The winding up and slamming down was the problem. It was a justified flagrant and we would have been saying the same had it been on PP or Ray or something. He wasn't trying to hurt the guy, but you can't wind up when you intentional foul like that. He just needed to reach across both arms at the elbows and hold down and it would have accomplished the same thing. I do like the fact that he was trying to make a good play and not give up the easy basket. They did go over the top with their comments about it. They tried to make it sound dirty which it wasn't.

He didn't play terribly in that last game, but he sure looked better in the first one. Funny how we don't have people clamoring about him taking TA's spot as much after that one... I'd still do it though, but after Gabe.

Re: Wise to Keep Bill Walker?
« Reply #87 on: January 19, 2009, 12:10:34 PM »

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Id just like to say I like what Bill Walker has to offer. Hes a Decent size guy and he can get up in the air with the best of him. In a couple of years I could see him trying to guard Lebron. But hes very Raw right now. Maybe some more paying in the NBA and not the D league will make him better. But I think he has a big upside down the line.
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Re: Wise to Keep Bill Walker?
« Reply #88 on: January 19, 2009, 12:19:21 PM »

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I like the foul.  No lay-ups.  Protect the rim.  Yada, yada.  I think the call could have gone either way, though it probably was the right call.

Now the other 4 fouls, I could have done w/o a few of those...

Re: Wise to Keep Bill Walker?
« Reply #89 on: January 19, 2009, 12:30:15 PM »

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The winding up and slamming down was the problem. It was a justified flagrant and we would have been saying the same had it been on PP or Ray or something. He wasn't trying to hurt the guy, but you can't wind up when you intentional foul like that. He just needed to reach across both arms at the elbows and hold down and it would have accomplished the same thing. I do like the fact that he was trying to make a good play and not give up the easy basket. They did go over the top with their comments about it. They tried to make it sound dirty which it wasn't.

He didn't play terribly in that last game, but he sure looked better in the first one. Funny how we don't have people clamoring about him taking TA's spot as much after that one... I'd still do it though, but after Gabe.

Who's clamoring?  Yeah there are a few posts from people who made some over the top assumptions and observations, but for someone who looks to have been on this board as long as you have you should be use to seeing it every so often.  For the most part it seems like the majority of the posts on this thread are just people expressing cautious optimism and satisfaction with the effort the guy put out in limited time, if you feel more of that or just as much of it needs to be expressed towards POB as well, thats fine, I even agree that hes been much improved that few times Ive seen him, but this thread has Bill Walker written on it.  There has been a lot of negativity about POB on this board, and a lot of it is well deserved IMO, but there are plenty of threads like this one praising POB and asking for more PT as well.
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