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Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2008, 04:41:50 PM »

Offline greg683x

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The season is 82 games long.  We havent played one.

The All Star break isnt until February.  The deadline to sign Free Agents isnt until March.

We have plenty to time evaluate players, and problems with players playing certain positions.

Lets wait until theres a problem before we try and solve it, instead of trying to solve a problem that might be not even be an issue
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Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2008, 04:58:04 PM »

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Now that the roster is set there is no need to dump any players. Also, Sam has lots of experience and he will be a valuable player in the playoffs.


Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2008, 05:08:32 PM »

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Now that the roster is set there is no need to dump any players. Also, Sam has lots of experience and he will be a valuable player in the playoffs.


Yeah. Just like he was so valuable in last years playoffs to us. How can you guys look at his tenure so far and still try to pretend the guy played well for us?! He was absolutely horrid other than a couple games that he got hot. Even those couple he was still a ball hog though. Coach Cassell I am okay with. Sam I am the player... No Way!

Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2008, 05:11:58 PM »

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Well I guess it wasn't apparent to every one with a set of eyes.  I tend to want to deal with issues before they become issues but, I respect that Danny will prevent this from becoming as bad as it was just 3 months ago.
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Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2008, 05:30:10 PM »

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Look at this from the eyes of a business owner.

Bringing in Sam last year showed management and the coaching staff that Sam's days as a player are probably all but done but if in an emergency he is needed, he could probably add something to a team this year. Also, Sam showed an amazing ability to communicate with the younger players in a teaching role and management found out he would probably be a great coach someday that they could use.

So, knowing that and the fact that the Celtics were committed to 14 roster spots this year, what would be the best way to keep Sam as part of the fold while keeping all options open and spending the least amount of money.

Simple, sign Sam to a veteran's minimum contract that the league subsidizes. Sam will be the 15th player on the team, inactive most nights in a suit, coaching up the young guards. So if Sam is needed in case of an emergency, he's readily available. He's still coaching, just not being called a coach. And the NBA is picking up nearly half his salary.

Now if Sam was just a coach he'd be making coaches pay and we would most likely have another vet min guy on the bench. We'd be paying our portion of the vet min, same as if Sam is the 15th guy, but we'd also be having to pay Sam a coach's salary. And on top of that if House goes down, we'd have to cut the veteran eating that contract, end Sam's coaching contract by firing him, probably eating that contract and then have to sign Sam to the vet min contract anyway. The Celtics might end up throwing away about $1.5 million that way when the current way is just so convenient and inexpensive.

Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2008, 05:38:49 PM »

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Now that the roster is set there is no need to dump any players. Also, Sam has lots of experience and he will be a valuable player in the playoffs.


Yeah. Just like he was so valuable in last years playoffs to us. How can you guys look at his tenure so far and still try to pretend the guy played well for us?! He was absolutely horrid other than a couple games that he got hot. Even those couple he was still a ball hog though. Coach Cassell I am okay with. Sam I am the player... No Way!

Last year he barely knew the system, and he had some trouble adjusting to his role here. But he's a proven veteran that can score when younger players may not dare to shoot during the playoffs. He is a respected player by the referees, coaches and other players and he has lots of experience that can still help on court in May/June.

Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2008, 11:01:16 PM »

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Sam in a suit coaching the kids? Love it. Sam in a uni clogging up the offense? No thanks, I'm good. Sam's ready for the glue factory right now. A turnstile on D and can't really hit the perimeter shot with consistency anymore. I'm all for bring him into the staff and keeping that last spot open for a big man like mourning later.
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Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2008, 12:28:39 AM »

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First of all Sam did start complaining about his PT later in the year.

No, he didn't. You are trying to twist words which you have a habit of doing when it suits you.

Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2008, 12:30:00 AM »

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How can you guys look at his tenure so far and still try to pretend the guy played well for us?!

Well, can we look at how well he played in a larger sample size with the Clippers last season?

Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2008, 01:52:39 AM »

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Perhaps Sam is simply keeping P.J.'s spot on the bench warm until after the All Star break?  ;)

Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2008, 06:03:55 AM »

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Now that the roster is set there is no need to dump any players. Also, Sam has lots of experience and he will be a valuable player in the playoffs.


Yeah. Just like he was so valuable in last years playoffs to us. How can you guys look at his tenure so far and still try to pretend the guy played well for us?! He was absolutely horrid other than a couple games that he got hot. Even those couple he was still a ball hog though. Coach Cassell I am okay with. Sam I am the player... No Way!

so whats the problem if he's one of the non-dressed guys or doesn't get alot of playing time then?
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Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2008, 06:06:50 AM »

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First of all Sam did start complaining about his PT later in the year.

No, he didn't. You are trying to twist words which you have a habit of doing when it suits you.

yea, im with soap, he certainly did not that i can remeber. if you think otherwise, please provide a link.

the one thing he said close to it was something like "of course i'd like to play, everyone does, but im happy to help the team anyway i can" or something to that effect when a reporter asked him flat out if he wanted to play more minutes.

that's not complaining about playing time, thats stating the obvious. everyone wants to play.

but by all means, lets twist facts in an anti cassell campaign.
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Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2008, 06:17:16 AM »

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If he's here as in mentor role he can gracefully ascend to coaching next year but, unfortunately I'm very leery in regards to Doc playing Sam.  I mean how obvious was it that House should have been playing over Sam during last years playoffs?  He didn't finally make a move until late in Detroit series when it was obvious to anyone with a set of eyes that Sam was horrendous.  I've always stuck up for Doc because he was dealt a losing hand his first few years in Boston and he still got a very young team to play hard but, 39 year old PGs don't normally go from being bad to good.  When you hit the bad time it only gets worse.

does anyone seriously think eddie signs a 2 year deal without assurances he's the top combo gaurd off the bench out of the goodness of his heart? its not like he couldn't have gone other places for similar money. I'm sure him and doc and danny had a talk about who's the first guard off the bench this year. th epreseason pretty much confirmed as much.
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Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2008, 07:12:00 AM »

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Stop with the "dump Cassell" business, give him a chance. He's had an off-season with the team, he should now be much more accustomed to the plays, and how we play and hopefully he gets ubuntu now. If he isn't working out we'll know soon enough, but for now can we at least support the guys on our roster rather than get on their case?

Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2008, 07:39:13 AM »

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TP maestro!

I think it's wise to support all our players. I will stop being so hard with Scal, for example ::)