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Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2008, 05:08:57 PM »

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After a big Game 3 win, Sam decided it was a good time to voice his concerns about playing time to the media:

“It’s very frustrating,” Cassell said yesterday when asked if the lack of playing time was difficult to deal with.

“This is my first year (in the NBA) that I sat out in a playoff game,” Cassell said. “I didn’t get any playing time in four games. That’s my first time ever. It boggles not just me but anyone around, like, ‘Why’s he not playing?’ I’m not discouraged, but it’s tough, ain’t no lie. It was tough because I know I can play.

“All of this is brand new for me. I’ve never been in this situation before. I understand (it), and it’s a role that it takes time to get comfortable with. I’m not complaining about it, but it just takes time to get comfortable in the role.”

"I ain't going to lie, it was tougher because I knew I could play. I competed against these guys with my teammates, with other teams before in the playoffs, and had a lot of success. But me getting here late in the year, who knows?"

Playing Sam over House in the playoffs last year was probably Doc's worst move since he's been a coach for the C's IMO.  Why he switched a lineup that won 66 games is beyond me.  It's a new year though and now that Sam will know the offense he won't be relegated to pounding the ball on one side of court back to basket until the clock is about to expire and then jack up a fall away jumper.  Of course I've always felt that was the worst thing to do when joining a team with so many great players.  The Sam you saw is the Sam I saw his whole career.  That was the Sam that averaged 17 pts on a horrible Clippers team.  I'll concede that he's on the team and things might be different this year so for now this will be my last post concerning Sam and I'll root for him unless things change.


Witness Sam Cassell complaining after a WIN about his playing time. And this isn't even the article I was referring to. I can't find it right now but the one I'm talking about Sam was complaining during the regular season about a stretch not too long after he was signed about him not playing and he DID make a quote about "I don't know why they signed me if they don't intend to play me" or to that extent. I don't have a problem with Sam on the roster as long as he doesn't play at all through the All-Star break unless Rondo breaks his neck an after the break is moved up to the coaching staff so we can sign a vet big like Mourning if he's ready or someone like that. Sam was a joke last year and players at his age don't get better; they get worse and no amount of excuses for his play are gonna change that.
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Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2008, 05:27:17 PM »

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I guess Tony Allen and Eddie House remained quiet when asked about their playing time during the playoffs right? They didn't voice any concerns over it? They were satisfied with their role on the bench?

Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2008, 05:53:03 PM »

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I guess Tony Allen and Eddie House remained quiet when asked about their playing time during the playoffs right? They didn't voice any concerns over it? They were satisfied with their role on the bench?
That's a good point. Tony, Eddie and Sam all did at one time or another make remarks one could interpret as "griping" about playing time. Only one of them were going to be used and all three were desperate to play. I think that speaks volumes on their respective competitive spirits and probably a little about just how smart they are considering I think it's a pretty dumb time to start commenting about playing time when one's team is competing for a championship. I'm not calling any of these gentlemen dumb just that the decision making process might need some adjustment.

Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is about the league paying half the salary of our newest assistant coach. Because when it all comes down to it and Sam is sitting at the end of the bench in street clothes for most if not almost all of the year coaching the guards, that is what it comes down to. He's a coach being passed off as a player so that the league picks up half his salary and so he's instantly available in cases of emergency.

Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2008, 07:18:44 PM »

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I guess Tony Allen and Eddie House remained quiet when asked about their playing time during the playoffs right? They didn't voice any concerns over it? They were satisfied with their role on the bench?
That's a good point. Tony, Eddie and Sam all did at one time or another make remarks one could interpret as "griping" about playing time. Only one of them were going to be used and all three were desperate to play. I think that speaks volumes on their respective competitive spirits and probably a little about just how smart they are considering I think it's a pretty dumb time to start commenting about playing time when one's team is competing for a championship. I'm not calling any of these gentlemen dumb just that the decision making process might need some adjustment.

Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is about the league paying half the salary of our newest assistant coach. Because when it all comes down to it and Sam is sitting at the end of the bench in street clothes for most if not almost all of the year coaching the guards, that is what it comes down to. He's a coach being passed off as a player so that the league picks up half his salary and so he's instantly available in cases of emergency.

Come on Nick. You are usually right on with these things! You can't compare House's legitimately being frustrated over playing time lost to Sam. House got completely shafted with them handing the time to Sam. He was playing well all year, we were winning games that he was a big part of, then this has-been old timer comes in and gets gifted all his minutes. Then the guy proceeds to go out and stink it up out there 95% of the time and he is forced to sit and watch our team struggle more than they were due to this guys play. Once Sam finally got the well deserved boot from the lineup he did nothing other than head right out and continue with the energy and effort that we got from him before. Sam then throws masked comments out there about his lack of PT, which anyone but him knew he should have lost. It isn't the same. House didn't make a big stink about it. He said nothing more than Sam did. He just had a legitimate reason as his team was playing poorly without him.

As far as TA's complaining. More of the same as Sam. The guy was playing terribly and shouldn't have seen the floor. It's nice to see him at least showing glimpses of old in the preseason.

Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2008, 07:26:30 PM »

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I guess Tony Allen and Eddie House remained quiet when asked about their playing time during the playoffs right? They didn't voice any concerns over it? They were satisfied with their role on the bench?
That's a good point. Tony, Eddie and Sam all did at one time or another make remarks one could interpret as "griping" about playing time. Only one of them were going to be used and all three were desperate to play. I think that speaks volumes on their respective competitive spirits and probably a little about just how smart they are considering I think it's a pretty dumb time to start commenting about playing time when one's team is competing for a championship. I'm not calling any of these gentlemen dumb just that the decision making process might need some adjustment.

Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is about the league paying half the salary of our newest assistant coach. Because when it all comes down to it and Sam is sitting at the end of the bench in street clothes for most if not almost all of the year coaching the guards, that is what it comes down to. He's a coach being passed off as a player so that the league picks up half his salary and so he's instantly available in cases of emergency.

Come on Nick. You are usually right on with these things! You can't compare House's legitimately being frustrated over playing time lost to Sam. House got completely shafted with them handing the time to Sam. He was playing well all year, we were winning games that he was a big part of, then this has-been old timer comes in and gets gifted all his minutes. Then the guy proceeds to go out and stink it up out there 95% of the time and he is forced to sit and watch our team struggle more than they were due to this guys play. Once Sam finally got the well deserved boot from the lineup he did nothing other than head right out and continue with the energy and effort that we got from him before. Sam then throws masked comments out there about his lack of PT, which anyone but him knew he should have lost. It isn't the same. House didn't make a big stink about it. He said nothing more than Sam did. He just had a legitimate reason as his team was playing poorly without him.

As far as TA's complaining. More of the same as Sam. The guy was playing terribly and shouldn't have seen the floor. It's nice to see him at least showing glimpses of old in the preseason.
EJ, I am not saying that Eddie and Tony weren't justified in what they were saying or had bad opinions, but, yes, their comments were interpreted as griping about playing time by both those in the media and people who read the remarks.

I think Eddie and Tony had every right to be p---ed, especially Eddie and especially, as you say, considering the way the guy who replaced them was playing. I just feel they should have addressed such matters in the coach's office and left it at that.

Unfortunately, questions by the media sometimes need to go unanswered and yet players feel they have to answer them. I love Bill Belichick's way of handling such matters. He says nothing and dismisses the question.

If these guys were responding to a question from a media person regarding their usage they should have differed the question to Doc and left it at that.

Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2008, 07:29:43 PM »

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I guess Tony Allen and Eddie House remained quiet when asked about their playing time during the playoffs right? They didn't voice any concerns over it? They were satisfied with their role on the bench?
That's a good point. Tony, Eddie and Sam all did at one time or another make remarks one could interpret as "griping" about playing time. Only one of them were going to be used and all three were desperate to play. I think that speaks volumes on their respective competitive spirits and probably a little about just how smart they are considering I think it's a pretty dumb time to start commenting about playing time when one's team is competing for a championship. I'm not calling any of these gentlemen dumb just that the decision making process might need some adjustment.

Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is about the league paying half the salary of our newest assistant coach. Because when it all comes down to it and Sam is sitting at the end of the bench in street clothes for most if not almost all of the year coaching the guards, that is what it comes down to. He's a coach being passed off as a player so that the league picks up half his salary and so he's instantly available in cases of emergency.

Come on Nick. You are usually right on with these things! You can't compare House's legitimately being frustrated over playing time lost to Sam. House got completely shafted with them handing the time to Sam. He was playing well all year, we were winning games that he was a big part of, then this has-been old timer comes in and gets gifted all his minutes. Then the guy proceeds to go out and stink it up out there 95% of the time and he is forced to sit and watch our team struggle more than they were due to this guys play. Once Sam finally got the well deserved boot from the lineup he did nothing other than head right out and continue with the energy and effort that we got from him before. Sam then throws masked comments out there about his lack of PT, which anyone but him knew he should have lost. It isn't the same. House didn't make a big stink about it. He said nothing more than Sam did. He just had a legitimate reason as his team was playing poorly without him.

As far as TA's complaining. More of the same as Sam. The guy was playing terribly and shouldn't have seen the floor. It's nice to see him at least showing glimpses of old in the preseason.
EJ, I am not saying that Eddie and Tony weren't justified in what they were saying or had bad opinions, but, yes, their comments were interpreted as griping about playing time by both those in the media and people who read the remarks.

I think Eddie and Tony had every right to be ****ed, especially Eddie and especially, as you say, considering the way the guy who replaced them was playing. I just feel they should have addressed such matters in the coach's office and left it at that.

Unfortunately, questions by the media sometimes need to go unanswered and yet players feel they have to answer them. I love Bill Belichick's way of handling such matters. He says nothing and dismisses the question.

If these guys were responding to a question from a media person regarding their usage they should have differed the question to Doc and left it at that.
I'll buy that explanation. They should have all three kept their mouths shut. I was mainly upset at people acting like Sam was justified in his response because Eddie mentioned frustration.

These reporters definitely know how to pull stuff from these guys when they are frustrated. Unfortunately to the detriment of the team sometimes.

TP for altering my opinion some!

Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #51 on: October 21, 2008, 08:03:39 PM »

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I guess Tony Allen and Eddie House remained quiet when asked about their playing time during the playoffs right? They didn't voice any concerns over it? They were satisfied with their role on the bench?

No Eddie wasn't satisfied but when asked about playing time when Doc unceremoniously handed Eddie's playing time to Sam Eddie gave this gem:

"I'd rather be playing but I'm gonna stay ready so that when Doc calls on me I won't have to get ready."

One guy acted like a champ last year when he wasn't playing, the other acted like a chump. Big difference to me.
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Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #52 on: October 21, 2008, 08:08:53 PM »

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I guess Tony Allen and Eddie House remained quiet when asked about their playing time during the playoffs right? They didn't voice any concerns over it? They were satisfied with their role on the bench?



"I'd rather be playing but I'm gonna stay ready so that when Doc calls on me I won't have to get ready."



**** as if

I’ve never been in this situation before. I understand (it), and it’s a role that it takes time to get comfortable with. I’m not discouraged, but it’s tough, ain’t going to  lie.


is anything different than what eddie said, which was the exact same "sitting sucks, but i'll be ready if needed " line . all he's saying thier is its tough to go from a 15 year starter to a bench player in 2 months.

but i forgot, sam said it, so of course, its somehow griping about not playing and being a cancer, while eddie's is being a good soilder.

 ::)

my fault, carry on with the character assassination. didn't mean to bring those pesky facts to a good one.

/popcorn
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Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2008, 04:46:59 AM »

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Isn't it great that the worst of our problems consist of coming off an NBA championship demolition of the Lakers and arguing over the 12th or a non-dressing spot on the roster   ;D

Re: Dump Cassell
« Reply #54 on: October 22, 2008, 07:30:30 PM »

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I guess Tony Allen and Eddie House remained quiet when asked about their playing time during the playoffs right? They didn't voice any concerns over it? They were satisfied with their role on the bench?



"I'd rather be playing but I'm gonna stay ready so that when Doc calls on me I won't have to get ready."



**** as if

I’ve never been in this situation before. I understand (it), and it’s a role that it takes time to get comfortable with. I’m not discouraged, but it’s tough, ain’t going to  lie.


is anything different than what eddie said, which was the exact same "sitting sucks, but i'll be ready if needed " line . all he's saying thier is its tough to go from a 15 year starter to a bench player in 2 months.

but i forgot, sam said it, so of course, its somehow griping about not playing and being a cancer, while eddie's is being a good soilder.

 ::)

my fault, carry on with the character assassination. didn't mean to bring those pesky facts to a good one.

/popcorn

When you bring some facts to the conversation you let me know an maybe we can discuss. It's already been said what Sam said(an I'm not referring to the quote you just mentioned here and I already said that) and YES it is different than what Eddie said but if you have a problem with that that will just have to be your problem champ. Don't make it mine. Sam gave the selfish answers. Eddie gave the teammate answers. It's not a character assassination. This is shooting fish in a bucket. Sam did that all by himself. And yeah, it is your fault and don't let it happen again.
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