Who will be cut? (Poll Added)

[Chris]

pruitt is the odd man out, unfortunatly.

 were too deep at his position to justify keeping a prospect player who needs minutes and cutting a forward when were shallow at the spot depth wise, and scal and his contract aren't going anywhere.

How do you keep Miles if it puts the two rookies as the 5th and 6th swingmen?



How do you keep Miles if he is the 5th swingman?

you think giddins isn't NBDL bound?

i assume only walker will avoid the developmental league.

Pruitt can not be sent to the NBDL?

he could, im just not sure they think its worth another year of the NDBL for pruitt to mabey be a player, after two years already down thier.

i think there likely to cut the cord.

personally i want to keep pruitt and cut sammy, since scal is safe on his albatross contract, and go to war with our current 15 minus the alien, but based on the promises and contract he got, that seems to be out of the question.

I never said i wanted to cut pruitt, i just think its likely that he's the one to go. I hope im wrong, we'll see.

I see him having a future role replacing Cassell next year.  That's the kind of guy you want to keep in the DL.  The player with a clear future role. 


What is Miles future role?  What will be his current role? 

It all depends on his health, and if his explosiveness returns.  If it starts to look like he will have any of it back by the end of preseason, then he could become a part of this core going forward. 

However, if he continues to look like an incredibly mediocre athlete who still can't shoot like he did last night then he has no role on this team right now, or in the future. 

Hell, he doesn't even bring a veteran presence to this team.  I wouldn't be surprised if Bill Walker is already more mature than Miles.

[Mr October]

Pruitt.

There have been some tweener-types drafted in the second round who proved to be stars - Monta Ellis and Gilbert Arenas come to mind.  Unless you're a special player like those guys, though, tweener-types are so dime-a-dozen in the league, they really don't have value. 

If his upside (best case) is basically to be another Eddie House, what's the point in keeping him around?  He's the fourth PG, he doesn't seem ready to crack the rotation, and he's shown nothing to indicate that he can really be a star.  You can always get a guy like this in free agency, for cheap money.  No point in this team spending a roster spot on a guy who, maybe, can be the eighth or ninth man in another year. 

Better to keep instead a guy who's still a legit PG (Cassell, even with his warts I'd trust him in there a lot more than Pruit), has a contract we need for trading purposes (Scal), or who can back up at a more needed position (Miles, Walker). 

The only thing that saves Pruit is if Bill Walker proves to be good enough for Miles to be expendable, but I think they'll keep both of them.

If Pruit shows the coaching staff more than I've seen, maybe Cassell does get put on the bench in a suit and tie a year early.  Have him keep in shape in case someone gets hurt.  No reason the assistant coach can't be in the scrimmage, right?

Pruitt has a better handle, speed and defense.

Eddie is more experienced, a better shooter, and an energy spark off the bench.

[Mr October]

It all depends on his health, and if his explosiveness returns.  If it starts to look like he will have any of it back by the end of preseason, then he could become a part of this core going forward. 

However, if he continues to look like an incredibly mediocre athlete who still can't shoot like he did last night then he has no role on this team right now, or in the future. 

Hell, he doesn't even bring a veteran presence to this team.  I wouldn't be surprised if Bill Walker is already more mature than Miles.

Yep, Miles role is to be in the regular rotation off the bench. If he isn't good enough to crack the rotation by the end of camp, he should be the one cut.

[the_Bird]

I know there are differences between Pruitt and House, that's not the point.

I don't see the benefit in "developing" a guy like Pruitt who seems, unless I'm really wrong, to have a very limited upside.  When fully developed, Pruit's the kind of player that can be most easily replaced with someone LIKE an Eddie House.  Why spend a roster spot on a combo guard that stands about a 1% chance of actually helping the team out this year?

He just does nothing for me.  He's unnecessary and replaceable.

Of course, since the last roster spots ultimately mean nothing, it'll probably end up being the guy with a non-guaranteed contract, especially since his best-case seems to be "semi-crippled role player" as well.  The key, I think, is Walker; if they're confident that he (and Tony Allen) can pick up the backup 3-spot, Miles is gone.  If they aren't confident that will happen, they'll keep Miles for insurance and Pruit is gone.

[rondofan1255]

I hate business decisions like these, especially as a fan. Nevertheless, I want to see Miles make it; the same goes for Pruitt. Therefore, I'd go with Cassell becoming a coach, since I do not want to see anyone else leave (Scal's a mascot, and he's not leaving for monetary reasons).

Realistically, however, I do not think Pruitt is going to be cut for nothing. It is a toss-up. A trade must happen (btw, I thought BBD looked better than last year despite sloppy ,turnover-filled play).

How about Scal + Pruitt for a guy like Pollard or  a power forward or a second round pick and a trade exception?

[greg_kite]

1)  Scal.  He has the least value on the team, regardless of contract.  Even Miles at 50% is better than Scal at 100. The owners have spent money to make this a championship team.  If dumping Scal is best for the team then Danny and the owners will let him go.  I sure hope so anyway.

2)  Giddens.  If they can see already that he's not worth the time and effort to groom then they can cut him loose now without wasting too much time on him.  I would hold out though.  We haven't seen him yet.  He seemed enthusiastic though.

3)  Miles.  Only because he can be cut without costing the team anything.

[Mr October]

I know there are differences between Pruitt and House, that's not the point.

I don't see the benefit in "developing" a guy like Pruitt who seems, unless I'm really wrong, to have a very limited upside.  When fully developed, Pruit's the kind of player that can be most easily replaced with someone LIKE an Eddie House.  Why spend a roster spot on a combo guard that stands about a 1% chance of actually helping the team out this year?

He just does nothing for me.  He's unnecessary and replaceable.

Of course, since the last roster spots ultimately mean nothing, it'll probably end up being the guy with a non-guaranteed contract, especially since his best-case seems to be "semi-crippled role player" as well.  The key, I think, is Walker; if they're confident that he (and Tony Allen) can pick up the backup 3-spot, Miles is gone.  If they aren't confident that will happen, they'll keep Miles for insurance and Pruit is gone.

I hear ya. Thanks for clarifying. Right now, no one in the bottom 5 look like must keepers. I'll be interesting to see who steps up in the next 2 weeks.

[cdif911]

this thread seems poll worthy

[ManUp]

I honestly think a trade is going to go down. I don't see us cutting one of the younger guys without getting any type of return. If we do actually cut a player I'm guessing it'll be Pruitt.

When do the cuts have to be made?

[nickagneta]

I have been saying it since they signed Miles, he will not make this team. Miles has to prove that he can still play, that he has matured, that he is willing to play defense first and offense second, that he still has his athleticism since that is such an important component of his game, and that his knee will withstand a year's worth of NBA stress and punishment.

When it all comes down to it, that's an awful lot to prove definitively and from what I saw last night, he hasn't proven much of anything yet. He's overweight, he's still not in great shape, he's clearly not close athletically to where he once was, and doctor's exams at the end of the preseason will tell a significant story as to whether his knee will last or not.

With a non-guaranteed contract, it's fairly obvious to me, and has been for some time, that he will not be making this team.

[JBcat]

For those who say Scal, and he did play awful last night, but he played decent in a starting role when KG was out last year (We also kept on winning with him starting).  That along with his contract will make a tough cut.  If we are thinking a trade with Scal and either Pruitt or Davis I hope it's a little more than a second round pick.  Remember they came out in a deep draft and were both barely 2nd round picks and projected to be 1st round at some point (Davis if he came out a year earlier, Pruitt I've heard would have been projected as a 1st rounder this year).  So I would hope they are valued a little bit more than getting a 2nd round pick back in return.  

Doc has been on record that we are keeping 4 PGs and the value in at least a couple of them maybe even 3 of them is that they can also play a little SG.  We all know Doc likes to play small ball at times.

Ainge has said we didn't go after Miles and he sought us out.   Since he is not an "Ainge" guy and it's a non guaranteed deal maybe it's him.  Although I liked what I saw last night but need to see more of him.

What I'd prefer is to keep Sam around in a coaching role and see if at any point during the season that we will need him if a roster spot opens up via trade or cut.  I'm curious if that has been talked about among the Celtics brass and if Sam would buy into that.  

Funny after 1 preseason game all the people that might have wanted POB cut aren't mentioning him anymore as a possibility.   Clifford Ray has done a nice job already with this guy.  

[woodsie]

D League?

No one has mentioned the D League.   What about sending JR Giddens there to start the season and then if there are injuries bring him up.  

[Mr October]

D League?

No one has mentioned the D League.   What about sending JR Giddens there to start the season and then if there are injuries bring him up.   

D-leaguers still count towards the C's roster

[Tradetime]

Trade Scal/Giddens for Shelden Williams and a future second.

[JBcat]

Trade Scal/Giddens for Shelden Williams and a future second.

Interesting.   For being a 5th overall pick I think Williams has been disappointing and not sure if he is that much of an upgrade over Powe or BBD for that matter but I didn't see him play much last year.