30 team CelticsBlog draft, year two

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i don't understand why lopsided trades are veto'd. i'm sure that if this trade occurred before the draft, and the trade went like a 1st round pick for two 3rd round picks and a 4th round pick, it would have been approved. one sided trades happen all the time in the real nba. if both parties agree, i don't see why it can be rejected. just this year we saw the gasol trade be one sided, as well as the camby trade. by rejecting the trade, you are not only breaking your vow of neutrality, but also favoring one team over another.

after having not said, i do not expect you to change your decision, because all decisions must be final, and i appreciate your hard work in being the commissioner. i just hope you keep that in mind for future pending trades.

[LarBrd33]

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[Roy Hobbs]

i don't understand why lopsided trades are veto'd. i'm sure that if this trade occurred before the draft, and the trade went like a 1st round pick for two 3rd round picks and a 4th round pick, it would have been approved. one sided trades happen all the time in the real nba. if both parties agree, i don't see why it can be rejected. just this year we saw the gasol trade be one sided, as well as the camby trade. by rejecting the trade, you are not only breaking your vow of neutrality, but also favoring one team over another.

A few points, in wdleehi's defense:

1) Vetos have been a part of this year's draft since the beginning.   Everybody knew about this.

2) Lopsided trades in the NBA (Gasol, Camby) are motivated by money.  We don't have this here.

3) I don't see how this breaks neutrality; if there is a veto power at all, the Commish has to exercise it in the best interests of the league.  The role of a veto is to protect us from ourselves.

I personally would use the veto pretty sparingly, and I don't know if I'd have one  at all.  However, the fact is there *is* a veto, and wdleehi wielded it to protect the league as best he can.

[Evantime34]

Hey guys I haven't been on my computer since I completed the trade with the Washington GM. I'm pretty much up to speed on it so I will comment now.

The Bosh trade should not have been vetoed. He offered it to me in the first place, it's not like I pulled one over on him it was his idea. GM's need to have the freedom to pick who they see fit, and trade for who they see fit. The two 3's have great value because there are still several 20 ppg scorers left on the board and the four still has considerable value. A trade like this would not be vetoed in the real NBA trades rarely are.

That being said Wdleehi is working extremely hard to run this draft. If we are to allow him to do all the work that it takes to update the picks then he should have the authority to act as a commissioner and veto a trade where he sees fit. I would like to have a league wide vote on this trade and future trades because that is the fairest way to determine what trades are valid. If a vote can not take place I fully stand by whatever decision the commish makes.

Did I miss Lebron getting moved?

[LarBrd33]

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[Rondo2287]

A few points, in wdleehi's defense:

1) Vetos have been a part of this year's draft since the beginning.   Everybody knew about this.

Yes they have been there but have never been used even when suggested by other members.

[wdleehi]

i don't understand why lopsided trades are veto'd. i'm sure that if this trade occurred before the draft, and the trade went like a 1st round pick for two 3rd round picks and a 4th round pick, it would have been approved. one sided trades happen all the time in the real nba. if both parties agree, i don't see why it can be rejected. just this year we saw the gasol trade be one sided, as well as the camby trade. by rejecting the trade, you are not only breaking your vow of neutrality, but also favoring one team over another.

A few points, in wdleehi's defense:

1) Vetos have been a part of this year's draft since the beginning.   Everybody knew about this.

2) Lopsided trades in the NBA (Gasol, Camby) are motivated by money.  We don't have this here.

3) I don't see how this breaks neutrality; if there is a veto power at all, the Commish has to exercise it in the best interests of the league.  The role of a veto is to protect us from ourselves.

I personally would use the veto pretty sparingly, and I don't know if I'd have one  at all.  However, the fact is there *is* a veto, and wdleehi wielded it to protect the league as best he can.

My couple of points here...  

By causing the "veto",  The Warriors lose out on Chris Bosh who is a franchise player.

The Bobcats lose out on picks 4th round (#2), 5th round (#8), 12th (#7), 13th (#24), 14th (#7), 15th (#24) and get stuck with a 3rd round (#26) again...

The Hornets lose out on 4 garbage picks (12-15) instead of having two viably talented players (two 9th rounders).

And most importantly... the main culprit... you rob the Wizards of building a core around a 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 4th rounder and a 4th rounder.  

Yeah, that's right... after the trade he would have five 3rd round picks and two 4th round picks.  That means he would have a total of SEVEN players in the top 4 rounds.  That means his 7th man would be equal to the 4th best player on another team.  Essentially his 7th man could have been Rajon Rondo (had he not been overvalued) or Tayshaun Prince.   Meanwhile his starting lineup would consist of all picks in the top 3 rounds.  So his worst starter would likely have been a guy like Ray Allen (had he not been overvalued) or Josh Howard.

I said from the start that the "veto" thing was going to cause problems when the entire game is based on perception, gambling and strategy.    This veto just hampered every single team that was involved in it.  

I feel like I'm one of the only people who understand what these "rounds" and "tiers" are all about.   Commish, I respect your doing a great job, but I'm pretty certain that if you were involved in this league, I probably could have convinced you to trade Bosh for two 3rds and a 4th.   Seriously...

You couldn't convince me to make one trade last year, what makes you think this year would be any different.  



Meanwhile, since it sound like a lot of the trades related to the Wizards and Bobcats are related to the trade I veto, I am just going to dump my mailbox of those trades.  Please resend any that are not related.


Thanks.

[Roy Hobbs]

A suggestion from another member, who requested that I post this anonomously for him:

After the recent controversy over the Bosh trade, I got an idea. What if we started a GM's Union to protect the interests of GMs. One that could overrule the Commissioner's decision if over 2/3's of the teams agreed upon something? (based off of our wonderful government of course).

I'm not taking a position on the idea, although I have communicated my thoughts to the originator of the proposal. 

[wdleehi]

Only trade I have in my mailbox that of the Pacers dealing with a player and a 3rd rounder (I believe)   I have not looked at the trade yet so it is neither accepted or rejected.

[Rondo2287]

i don't understand why lopsided trades are veto'd. i'm sure that if this trade occurred before the draft, and the trade went like a 1st round pick for two 3rd round picks and a 4th round pick, it would have been approved. one sided trades happen all the time in the real nba. if both parties agree, i don't see why it can be rejected. just this year we saw the gasol trade be one sided, as well as the camby trade. by rejecting the trade, you are not only breaking your vow of neutrality, but also favoring one team over another.

A few points, in wdleehi's defense:

1) Vetos have been a part of this year's draft since the beginning.   Everybody knew about this.

2) Lopsided trades in the NBA (Gasol, Camby) are motivated by money.  We don't have this here.

3) I don't see how this breaks neutrality; if there is a veto power at all, the Commish has to exercise it in the best interests of the league.  The role of a veto is to protect us from ourselves.

I personally would use the veto pretty sparingly, and I don't know if I'd have one  at all.  However, the fact is there *is* a veto, and wdleehi wielded it to protect the league as best he can.

My couple of points here...  

By causing the "veto",  The Warriors lose out on Chris Bosh who is a franchise player.

The Bobcats lose out on picks 4th round (#2), 5th round (#8), 12th (#7), 13th (#24), 14th (#7), 15th (#24) and get stuck with a 3rd round (#26) again...

The Hornets lose out on 4 garbage picks (12-15) instead of having two viably talented players (two 9th rounders).

And most importantly... the main culprit... you rob the Wizards of building a core around a 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 4th rounder and a 4th rounder.  

Yeah, that's right... after the trade he would have five 3rd round picks and two 4th round picks.  That means he would have a total of SEVEN players in the top 4 rounds.  That means his 7th man would be equal to the 4th best player on another team.  Essentially his 7th man could have been Rajon Rondo (had he not been overvalued) or Tayshaun Prince.   Meanwhile his starting lineup would consist of all picks in the top 3 rounds.  So his worst starter would likely have been a guy like Ray Allen (had he not been overvalued) or Josh Howard.

I said from the start that the "veto" thing was going to cause problems when the entire game is based on perception, gambling and strategy.    This veto just hampered every single team that was involved in it.  

I feel like I'm one of the only people who understand what these "rounds" and "tiers" are all about.   Commish, I respect your doing a great job, but I'm pretty certain that if you were involved in this league, I probably could have convinced you to trade Bosh for two 3rds and a 4th.   Seriously...

You couldn't convince me to make one trade last year, what makes you think this year would be any different.  



Meanwhile, since it sound like a lot of the trades related to the Wizards and Bobcats are related to the trade I veto, I am just going to dump my mailbox of those trades.  Please resend any that are not related.


Thanks.

Are you suggesting that you are making decisions based on actions from last year?

[LarBrd33]

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[Redz]

potatoes potatas let's call the whole thing off 

[wdleehi]

i don't understand why lopsided trades are veto'd. i'm sure that if this trade occurred before the draft, and the trade went like a 1st round pick for two 3rd round picks and a 4th round pick, it would have been approved. one sided trades happen all the time in the real nba. if both parties agree, i don't see why it can be rejected. just this year we saw the gasol trade be one sided, as well as the camby trade. by rejecting the trade, you are not only breaking your vow of neutrality, but also favoring one team over another.

A few points, in wdleehi's defense:

1) Vetos have been a part of this year's draft since the beginning.   Everybody knew about this.

2) Lopsided trades in the NBA (Gasol, Camby) are motivated by money.  We don't have this here.

3) I don't see how this breaks neutrality; if there is a veto power at all, the Commish has to exercise it in the best interests of the league.  The role of a veto is to protect us from ourselves.

I personally would use the veto pretty sparingly, and I don't know if I'd have one  at all.  However, the fact is there *is* a veto, and wdleehi wielded it to protect the league as best he can.

My couple of points here...  

By causing the "veto",  The Warriors lose out on Chris Bosh who is a franchise player.

The Bobcats lose out on picks 4th round (#2), 5th round (#8), 12th (#7), 13th (#24), 14th (#7), 15th (#24) and get stuck with a 3rd round (#26) again...

The Hornets lose out on 4 garbage picks (12-15) instead of having two viably talented players (two 9th rounders).

And most importantly... the main culprit... you rob the Wizards of building a core around a 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 4th rounder and a 4th rounder.  

Yeah, that's right... after the trade he would have five 3rd round picks and two 4th round picks.  That means he would have a total of SEVEN players in the top 4 rounds.  That means his 7th man would be equal to the 4th best player on another team.  Essentially his 7th man could have been Rajon Rondo (had he not been overvalued) or Tayshaun Prince.   Meanwhile his starting lineup would consist of all picks in the top 3 rounds.  So his worst starter would likely have been a guy like Ray Allen (had he not been overvalued) or Josh Howard.

I said from the start that the "veto" thing was going to cause problems when the entire game is based on perception, gambling and strategy.    This veto just hampered every single team that was involved in it.  

I feel like I'm one of the only people who understand what these "rounds" and "tiers" are all about.   Commish, I respect your doing a great job, but I'm pretty certain that if you were involved in this league, I probably could have convinced you to trade Bosh for two 3rds and a 4th.   Seriously...

You couldn't convince me to make one trade last year, what makes you think this year would be any different.  



Meanwhile, since it sound like a lot of the trades related to the Wizards and Bobcats are related to the trade I veto, I am just going to dump my mailbox of those trades.  Please resend any that are not related.


Thanks.

Are you suggesting that you are making decisions based on actions from last year?

No.  I made a decision based on a trade that was given me.  

[wdleehi]

i don't understand why lopsided trades are veto'd. i'm sure that if this trade occurred before the draft, and the trade went like a 1st round pick for two 3rd round picks and a 4th round pick, it would have been approved. one sided trades happen all the time in the real nba. if both parties agree, i don't see why it can be rejected. just this year we saw the gasol trade be one sided, as well as the camby trade. by rejecting the trade, you are not only breaking your vow of neutrality, but also favoring one team over another.

A few points, in wdleehi's defense:

1) Vetos have been a part of this year's draft since the beginning.   Everybody knew about this.

2) Lopsided trades in the NBA (Gasol, Camby) are motivated by money.  We don't have this here.

3) I don't see how this breaks neutrality; if there is a veto power at all, the Commish has to exercise it in the best interests of the league.  The role of a veto is to protect us from ourselves.

I personally would use the veto pretty sparingly, and I don't know if I'd have one  at all.  However, the fact is there *is* a veto, and wdleehi wielded it to protect the league as best he can.

My couple of points here...  

By causing the "veto",  The Warriors lose out on Chris Bosh who is a franchise player.

The Bobcats lose out on picks 4th round (#2), 5th round (#8), 12th (#7), 13th (#24), 14th (#7), 15th (#24) and get stuck with a 3rd round (#26) again...

The Hornets lose out on 4 garbage picks (12-15) instead of having two viably talented players (two 9th rounders).

And most importantly... the main culprit... you rob the Wizards of building a core around a 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 3rd rounder, 4th rounder and a 4th rounder.  

Yeah, that's right... after the trade he would have five 3rd round picks and two 4th round picks.  That means he would have a total of SEVEN players in the top 4 rounds.  That means his 7th man would be equal to the 4th best player on another team.  Essentially his 7th man could have been Rajon Rondo (had he not been overvalued) or Tayshaun Prince.   Meanwhile his starting lineup would consist of all picks in the top 3 rounds.  So his worst starter would likely have been a guy like Ray Allen (had he not been overvalued) or Josh Howard.

I said from the start that the "veto" thing was going to cause problems when the entire game is based on perception, gambling and strategy.    This veto just hampered every single team that was involved in it.  

I feel like I'm one of the only people who understand what these "rounds" and "tiers" are all about.   Commish, I respect your doing a great job, but I'm pretty certain that if you were involved in this league, I probably could have convinced you to trade Bosh for two 3rds and a 4th.   Seriously...

You couldn't convince me to make one trade last year, what makes you think this year would be any different.  



Meanwhile, since it sound like a lot of the trades related to the Wizards and Bobcats are related to the trade I veto, I am just going to dump my mailbox of those trades.  Please resend any that are not related.


Thanks

wdleehi, I understand I get on your nerves (I get on everyone's nerves... lol) and you're in the middle of your power trip.  But riddle me this....

Would you rather have picks 1-15 where your starting lineup consists of:

1st rounder
2nd rounder
3rd rounder
4th rounder
5th rounder
----------
6th rounder
7th rounder


Or...

Would you rather have a core built around this:

3rd rounder
3rd rounder
3rd rounder
3rd rounder
3rd rounder
------------
4th rounder
4th rounder
5th rounder
6th rounder


Do you want me to replace those "rounds" with players from my chart or do you have a pretty good handle on what is happening in this game?  Because by "vetoing" the Wizards/Warriors trade you just robbed KCattheStripe of his intended core that he would have after the completion of the trades...     and if that was the intention, do you intend on also replacing KCattheStripe with another GM... possibly someone who you feel has a better "handle" on talent evaluation and strategy?  Do you have another relative perhaps?... since the Knicks are doing such a wonderful job under your brother at the moment...

If I wanted a power trip, I could have veto every lopsided trade you sent to me. 


I could have ended this argument with my site powers.




But no, all I did was use my veto power on a one trade I found lopsided and did what I decided was best for the league.


You want to spend all this time complaining about decisions on picks and trades you are not involved in. 

[LarBrd33]

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