Posey to the Hornets (Boston Globe Reporting)

[CoachBo]

One thing's for certain: The bench is all but destroyed. Brown for O'Blount. Now, this.

We're going to get a good look over the next few weeks at exactly how committed this ownership is to winning another title.

[jdub1660]

Why are we all surprised? Who else wouldn't go for a more secured contract as they start aging in the NBA. New Orleans will just use him a year or so and use him as trade bait as he gets older. Look at the Matt Barnes Post. We need him.

[nickagneta]

Most of the wailing around here is absed on two assumptions:

1. Posey was indispensable - or close to it - to the 2009 title run.
2. Posey's decline will coincide with Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and KG's.
3. No matter what we will be bad in two or three years (or at least in an inevitable decline.)

1. I don't really agree with any of these. Posey's contributions this year were about as good as he gets, I expect him to be somewheer from marginally to significantly worse next year. His contributions were also at the SF and PF spots. So we can easily replace his minutes at PF, and we can use Scal and/or Ray Allen at SF to cover that gap with the current roster. This would mean the more critical position to fill is the biggest weakness from last year: backup guard. Now we can get after finding an option that provides depth at the guard spots.

2. Posey should decline earlier and further than any of the big 3, especially KG and PP. I fully expect these guys to be able to play another 5 years at elite or near elite levels, barring a fluke injury (i.e. not regular wear and tear). I think they'll need to play less minutes, but the minutes they play will still be elite. Ray Allen - not so much, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him resigned for a cheaper ammount or moved or let go at the end of his deal anyways.

3. This feeds into the other ones, but I thought we had a solid window with Pierce and KG as the starts of five plus years. Beyond that I want a GM who doesn't have to relottery to stay competitive and rebuild.

Brendan, I think one of the very few things that we can agree on is that we agree on so very little. Then my extremely conservative friend, you surprise the holy heck out of me. A truly brilliant post, I agree completely. TP4U.

I expect both Allen and Rondo to play about 35 MPG. Who plays the other 13 MPG is not a happy thought at this instant. I have faith that KG, Perk, Pierce, Powe, Davis, Scal and even O'Bryant could hold the fort down until Danny convinces P J Brown to return for another half year or gets someone at the trade deadline in the front court.

But the backcourt bench options are not to my liking right now.

If Danny took the remainder of the MLE and cheaply wrapped up Bill Walker for 3 years(I saw two K-State games this year, Xavier and California, and in both I thought he outplayed Beasley and was the best player on the court) and then got Arroyo and Finley signed or made a move at J R Smith(perhaps the great exodus in Denver has begun) and Lue, I would feel a lot better than if they signed Posey to a ridiculously fiscally irresponsible 4 year MLE contract.

[earl]

It's funny how different some of the attitudes have become. We're no worse off right now than we were last year right after the KG trade, title contenders! Now it's a disaster until we can round out the bench. Oh well.

I can't blame Posey for taking that contract at this point in his career, that's some nice coin. I don't blame the C's either for not matching (I'm sure they were given an opportunity). 

We shouldn't panic over the bench. I'll miss Pose, but I'm looking forward to seeing some fresh faces and hopefully a few guys who can bring some new energy to help the team sustain the desire for 18.

[cordobes]

It's funny how different some of the attitudes have become. We're no worse off right now than we were last year right after the KG trade, title contenders! Now it's a disaster until we can round out the bench. Oh well.

There's a big difference: the solutions available via free-agency to fill the bench are much worse now than last year after the KG trade.

[sk7326]

It has nothing to do with a 20 year rebuilding project.  It is about a reloading project in 3 years, which is a relevant thing to worry about.

My point was that a three year reload easily turns into a ten year drought...turns into a twenty year disaster. That, and cap space is over-rated. It played little to no role in the construction of any Championship winning team I can think of - dating back to Chicago, except the O'Neal Lakers.

O'Bryant is a useful flyer to take for the minimum salary.  Is he a dropoff from Scot Pollard?

Until Ainge signs another back-up center it's premature to qualify O'Bryant as Scott Pollard's replacement. But otherwise I agree. If can we also agree that he fits LarBrd33's definition of "scraps."

I am intrigued more by Josh Childress though, although that will take time...

The fact that most of the workable replacements being mentioned are pipe dreams is just good evidence that Ainge has made a mistake. I'm willing to wager my Tommy Points that Atlanta won't let Childress walk for an MLE offer.

Glad you are willing to bet so much.  Atlanta would match that offer right now.  If they have to choose between him and Josh Smith though, which is possible, though less likely with the Clippers trade for Camby, they would pick Smith unless they are stupid (which cannot be dismissed).

Backup big men = scraps.  I was hoping they'd take a flyer and try to recruit Alonzo Mourning, but I suppose he is set on living in Miami.  Bienvenido!

Creating scads of cap space in itself does not a rebuilding project make.  But cap space + a winning organization does.  The Sixers doing well last year + oodles of cap space = Elton Brand.  What I am saying is hardly revelatory.  One day, look at the contracts the San Antonio Spurs carry.  Notice that basically every deal for every role player is tied to a certain large player of theirs.  So yes, keeping Posey in line with what the stars are doing is totally justified -- it's good management.

[cordobes]

Alonzo Mourning went under surgery again and he won't be playing basketball at least for the next 6/7 months.

[winsomme]

1.) Not signing Posey or signing Posey to a two year, five dollar a year deal or a 5 year full MLE deal all guarantees the exact same thing. Nothing! And there's no way to prove that having him here makes it more likely than not that they would win another title. It can't be done, no one can prove the future or guarantee it.

2.) Ten months ago the Celtics players 4-12(including such players as Rondo, Perk, Powe, House and Posey) were being called the worst 4-12 in the league by at least one, long-time, well respected basketball pundit. By the end of the year it was being discussed that the Celtics might have had one of the best 4-12 player groups in the league and easily the best defensive 4-12 group in the league. Most of that group will return.

nick, it might not guarantee or prove anything. but i think it was pretty reasonable to have expected a similar contribution out of Posey next season. and by that i mean playing solid D, knocking down shots and being the same jovial presence in the locker room.

we know he was a good fit in the system and we know he played well off the big three....which is really the most you can expect out of a 6th man.

certainly he is replaceable, but any replacement is more of an x-factor than Posey and i don't see how we can't at least at this point in the off-season say that our team has been weakened by losing him.

it seems to me that the strong reaction to losing Poz stems from thinking about just how close this team is to becoming a Dynasty. the EC is very unstable and WC at least this past season beat the heck out of each other....

so the question then becomes: knowing how possible a Dynasty is, why put an x-factor in a spot where you have known quantity?

[nickagneta]

1.) Not signing Posey or signing Posey to a two year, five dollar a year deal or a 5 year full MLE deal all guarantees the exact same thing. Nothing! And there's no way to prove that having him here makes it more likely than not that they would win another title. It can't be done, no one can prove the future or guarantee it.

2.) Ten months ago the Celtics players 4-12(including such players as Rondo, Perk, Powe, House and Posey) were being called the worst 4-12 in the league by at least one, long-time, well respected basketball pundit. By the end of the year it was being discussed that the Celtics might have had one of the best 4-12 player groups in the league and easily the best defensive 4-12 group in the league. Most of that group will return.

nick, it might not guarantee or prove anything. but i think it was pretty reasonable to have expected a similar contribution out of Posey next season. and by that i mean playing solid D, knocking down shots and being the same jovial presence in the locker room.

we know he was a good fit in the system and we know he played well off the big three....which is really the most you can expect out of a 6th man.

certainly he is replaceable, but any replacement is more of an x-factor than Posey and i don't see how we can't at least at this point in the off-season say that our team has been weakened by losing him.

it seems to me that the strong reaction to losing Poz stems from thinking about just how close this team is to becoming a Dynasty. the EC is very unstable and WC at least this past season beat the heck out of each other....

so the question then becomes: knowing how possible a Dynasty is, why put an x-factor in a spot where you have known quantity?

How did bringing back almost the same exact team work out for San Antonio last year? What about Miami in 2007 when they brought the same crew back that included Posey? What about Detroit in 2005?

It means nothing. Those three instances prove it. It is still possible for the Celtics to tweak the makeup of this team without Posey on it and be a better team. Is there an x-factor, for sure winsomme, of course there is. But that factor works in both directions not just the bad direction.

Who's to say a veteran presence like Kurt Thomas off the bench in the middle and the Celtics playing less small ball and hence only having to replace Posey's minutes at SF(about 10-11 per game) wouldn't be a better fit for this team? That kinda minimizes the actual extent of Posey's loss doesn't it. Thomas is a proven winner, leader, and  contributor.

I don't buy the whole Posey's resigning means you can expect the same thing out of him and the team.

What happens if Rondo comes back to camp with a three point shot? Suddenly Posey's spacing as a three point weak side swing guy is less needed.

What happens if Walker comes out and shows he is a hell of a bargain? Danny has afterall had great 2nd round success, almost a player a year, and he is by far the most athletic player with the highest upside of any 2nd rounder he has drafted. Posey's loss is diminshed even more.

There are a ton of options and variables left that could and probably will affect the 2008-09 Celtics as much as Posey would have.

The difference is those options are going to come for millions less than a 4 year $25 million contract would have.

Could those options fail miserably, sure. But Posey could get injured in the first day of camp and be lost for the rest of his contract just as easily.

[winsomme]

1.) Not signing Posey or signing Posey to a two year, five dollar a year deal or a 5 year full MLE deal all guarantees the exact same thing. Nothing! And there's no way to prove that having him here makes it more likely than not that they would win another title. It can't be done, no one can prove the future or guarantee it.

2.) Ten months ago the Celtics players 4-12(including such players as Rondo, Perk, Powe, House and Posey) were being called the worst 4-12 in the league by at least one, long-time, well respected basketball pundit. By the end of the year it was being discussed that the Celtics might have had one of the best 4-12 player groups in the league and easily the best defensive 4-12 group in the league. Most of that group will return.

nick, it might not guarantee or prove anything. but i think it was pretty reasonable to have expected a similar contribution out of Posey next season. and by that i mean playing solid D, knocking down shots and being the same jovial presence in the locker room.

we know he was a good fit in the system and we know he played well off the big three....which is really the most you can expect out of a 6th man.

certainly he is replaceable, but any replacement is more of an x-factor than Posey and i don't see how we can't at least at this point in the off-season say that our team has been weakened by losing him.

it seems to me that the strong reaction to losing Poz stems from thinking about just how close this team is to becoming a Dynasty. the EC is very unstable and WC at least this past season beat the heck out of each other....

so the question then becomes: knowing how possible a Dynasty is, why put an x-factor in a spot where you have known quantity?

How did bringing back almost the same exact team work out for San Antonio last year? What about Miami in 2007 when they brought the same crew back that included Posey? What about Detroit in 2005?

It means nothing. Those three instances prove it. It is still possible for the Celtics to tweak the makeup of this team without Posey on it and be a better team. Is there an x-factor, for sure winsomme, of course there is. But that factor works in both directions not just the bad direction.

Who's to say a veteran presence like Kurt Thomas off the bench in the middle and the Celtics playing less small ball and hence only having to replace Posey's minutes at SF(about 10-11 per game) wouldn't be a better fit for this team? That kinda minimizes the actual extent of Posey's loss doesn't it. Thomas is a proven winner, leader, and  contributor.

I don't buy the whole Posey's resigning means you can expect the same thing out of him and the team.

What happens if Rondo comes back to camp with a three point shot? Suddenly Posey's spacing as a three point weak side swing guy is less needed.

What happens if Walker comes out and shows he is a hell of a bargain? Danny has afterall had great 2nd round success, almost a player a year, and he is by far the most athletic player with the highest upside of any 2nd rounder he has drafted. Posey's loss is diminshed even more.

There are a ton of options and variables left that could and probably will affect the 2008-09 Celtics as much as Posey would have.

The difference is those options are going to come for millions less than a 4 year $25 million contract would have.

Could those options fail miserably, sure. But Posey could get injured in the first day of camp and be lost for the rest of his contract just as easily.

do you really think that bringing back the same bench is the reason that SA and Miami didn't repeat? c'mon nick.....

and i have already written about DET because they DIDN'T bring back their role players from 2004. they didn't bring back Corliss, Mike James and Okhur and yes i think it is fair to say that losing those three guys could have been a factor in DET not winning more Titles. they actually are the cautionary tale for why losing Posey, House and PJ could prevent more Titles with GPA...

[nickagneta]

1.) Not signing Posey or signing Posey to a two year, five dollar a year deal or a 5 year full MLE deal all guarantees the exact same thing. Nothing! And there's no way to prove that having him here makes it more likely than not that they would win another title. It can't be done, no one can prove the future or guarantee it.

2.) Ten months ago the Celtics players 4-12(including such players as Rondo, Perk, Powe, House and Posey) were being called the worst 4-12 in the league by at least one, long-time, well respected basketball pundit. By the end of the year it was being discussed that the Celtics might have had one of the best 4-12 player groups in the league and easily the best defensive 4-12 group in the league. Most of that group will return.

nick, it might not guarantee or prove anything. but i think it was pretty reasonable to have expected a similar contribution out of Posey next season. and by that i mean playing solid D, knocking down shots and being the same jovial presence in the locker room.

we know he was a good fit in the system and we know he played well off the big three....which is really the most you can expect out of a 6th man.

certainly he is replaceable, but any replacement is more of an x-factor than Posey and i don't see how we can't at least at this point in the off-season say that our team has been weakened by losing him.

it seems to me that the strong reaction to losing Poz stems from thinking about just how close this team is to becoming a Dynasty. the EC is very unstable and WC at least this past season beat the heck out of each other....

so the question then becomes: knowing how possible a Dynasty is, why put an x-factor in a spot where you have known quantity?

How did bringing back almost the same exact team work out for San Antonio last year? What about Miami in 2007 when they brought the same crew back that included Posey? What about Detroit in 2005?

It means nothing. Those three instances prove it. It is still possible for the Celtics to tweak the makeup of this team without Posey on it and be a better team. Is there an x-factor, for sure winsomme, of course there is. But that factor works in both directions not just the bad direction.

Who's to say a veteran presence like Kurt Thomas off the bench in the middle and the Celtics playing less small ball and hence only having to replace Posey's minutes at SF(about 10-11 per game) wouldn't be a better fit for this team? That kinda minimizes the actual extent of Posey's loss doesn't it. Thomas is a proven winner, leader, and  contributor.

I don't buy the whole Posey's resigning means you can expect the same thing out of him and the team.

What happens if Rondo comes back to camp with a three point shot? Suddenly Posey's spacing as a three point weak side swing guy is less needed.

What happens if Walker comes out and shows he is a hell of a bargain? Danny has afterall had great 2nd round success, almost a player a year, and he is by far the most athletic player with the highest upside of any 2nd rounder he has drafted. Posey's loss is diminshed even more.

There are a ton of options and variables left that could and probably will affect the 2008-09 Celtics as much as Posey would have.

The difference is those options are going to come for millions less than a 4 year $25 million contract would have.

Could those options fail miserably, sure. But Posey could get injured in the first day of camp and be lost for the rest of his contract just as easily.

do you really think that bringing back the same bench is the reason that SA and Miami didn't repeat? c'mon nick.....

and i have already written about DET because they DIDN'T bring back their role players from 2004. they didn't bring back Corliss, Mike James and Okhur and yes i think it is fair to say that losing those three guys could have been a factor in DET not winning more Titles. they actually are the cautionary tale for why losing Posey, House and PJ could prevent more Titles with GPA...

I love your logic winsomme. You say that Detroit didn't retain the same bench and hence that is the reason why we should keep our bench and yet when shown two other instances of teams that kept their benches failing, you simply state the bench had nothing to do with it.

Your vascillation on the subject only proves that I would be doomed to a very long, drawn out debate that will do nothing to change either of our minds.

I happen to believe it is quite possible with the players out there to build a better bench than last year. A stronger center presence off the bench as well as a rookie stepping up or a strong backup at the SG position and a cheap vet could just as well win a championship with this group that is left over.

So I will stand by my statements that whether the Celtics bring back Posey or not, it is no guarantee of anything and leave it at that.

[winsomme]

1.) Not signing Posey or signing Posey to a two year, five dollar a year deal or a 5 year full MLE deal all guarantees the exact same thing. Nothing! And there's no way to prove that having him here makes it more likely than not that they would win another title. It can't be done, no one can prove the future or guarantee it.

2.) Ten months ago the Celtics players 4-12(including such players as Rondo, Perk, Powe, House and Posey) were being called the worst 4-12 in the league by at least one, long-time, well respected basketball pundit. By the end of the year it was being discussed that the Celtics might have had one of the best 4-12 player groups in the league and easily the best defensive 4-12 group in the league. Most of that group will return.

nick, it might not guarantee or prove anything. but i think it was pretty reasonable to have expected a similar contribution out of Posey next season. and by that i mean playing solid D, knocking down shots and being the same jovial presence in the locker room.

we know he was a good fit in the system and we know he played well off the big three....which is really the most you can expect out of a 6th man.

certainly he is replaceable, but any replacement is more of an x-factor than Posey and i don't see how we can't at least at this point in the off-season say that our team has been weakened by losing him.

it seems to me that the strong reaction to losing Poz stems from thinking about just how close this team is to becoming a Dynasty. the EC is very unstable and WC at least this past season beat the heck out of each other....

so the question then becomes: knowing how possible a Dynasty is, why put an x-factor in a spot where you have known quantity?

How did bringing back almost the same exact team work out for San Antonio last year? What about Miami in 2007 when they brought the same crew back that included Posey? What about Detroit in 2005?

It means nothing. Those three instances prove it. It is still possible for the Celtics to tweak the makeup of this team without Posey on it and be a better team. Is there an x-factor, for sure winsomme, of course there is. But that factor works in both directions not just the bad direction.

Who's to say a veteran presence like Kurt Thomas off the bench in the middle and the Celtics playing less small ball and hence only having to replace Posey's minutes at SF(about 10-11 per game) wouldn't be a better fit for this team? That kinda minimizes the actual extent of Posey's loss doesn't it. Thomas is a proven winner, leader, and  contributor.

I don't buy the whole Posey's resigning means you can expect the same thing out of him and the team.

What happens if Rondo comes back to camp with a three point shot? Suddenly Posey's spacing as a three point weak side swing guy is less needed.

What happens if Walker comes out and shows he is a hell of a bargain? Danny has afterall had great 2nd round success, almost a player a year, and he is by far the most athletic player with the highest upside of any 2nd rounder he has drafted. Posey's loss is diminshed even more.

There are a ton of options and variables left that could and probably will affect the 2008-09 Celtics as much as Posey would have.

The difference is those options are going to come for millions less than a 4 year $25 million contract would have.

Could those options fail miserably, sure. But Posey could get injured in the first day of camp and be lost for the rest of his contract just as easily.

do you really think that bringing back the same bench is the reason that SA and Miami didn't repeat? c'mon nick.....

and i have already written about DET because they DIDN'T bring back their role players from 2004. they didn't bring back Corliss, Mike James and Okhur and yes i think it is fair to say that losing those three guys could have been a factor in DET not winning more Titles. they actually are the cautionary tale for why losing Posey, House and PJ could prevent more Titles with GPA...

I love your logic winsomme. You say that Detroit didn't retain the same bench and hence that is the reason why we should keep our bench and yet when shown two other instances of teams that kept their benches failing, you simply state the bench had nothing to do with it.

Your vascillation on the subject only proves that I would be doomed to a very long, drawn out debate that will do nothing to change either of our minds.

I happen to believe it is quite possible with the players out there to build a better bench than last year. A stronger center presence off the bench as well as a rookie stepping up or a strong backup at the SG position and a cheap vet could just as well win a championship with this group that is left over.

So I will stand by my statements that whether the Celtics bring back Posey or not, it is no guarantee of anything and leave it at that.

nick you are trying to discuss these things in generalities......Miami didn't repeat because their two best players were shells of their former selves and San Anotnio basically lost Ginobili in the WCF.

and your third example of a team bringing back their bench and not repeating didn't even bring back their bench!!!.....it actually is an ammo for the other side of the debate.....

will bringing back Posey overcome a series altering injury to the big 3 like happened in SA or Miami? no....but those aren't parallel situations......

you have to compare similar scenarios to similar scenarios....apples to apples....and the reason the DET example works as a reason to be concerned about not bringing back Posey, House and PJ is because DETs core was essentially healthy in 2005.

i didn't say 100% that not bringing back their bench is the reason that DET didn't repeat in 2005 (although i lean that way because Okur, James and Corliss is a tremendous bench), but that it was very fair to argue because the rest of their team was essentially the same as a year previous....unlike SA and Miami who were dealing with game changing injuries to their core players...

[ACF]

If (or maybe when) we meet the Hornets in the
2009 Finals, I expect Paul Pierce to take
James Posey to school. No more, no less.

It's too bad he won't be coming back but
I wish him all the best out West.
And you know what?
I'm sure we can win again without him.

[winsomme]

I love your logic winsomme. You say that Detroit didn't retain the same bench and hence that is the reason why we should keep our bench and yet when shown two other instances of teams that kept their benches failing, you simply state the bench had nothing to do with it.

Your vascillation on the subject only proves that I would be doomed to a very long, drawn out debate that will do nothing to change either of our minds.

I happen to believe it is quite possible with the players out there to build a better bench than last year. A stronger center presence off the bench as well as a rookie stepping up or a strong backup at the SG position and a cheap vet could just as well win a championship with this group that is left over.

So I will stand by my statements that whether the Celtics bring back Posey or not, it is no guarantee of anything and leave it at that.

by the way, i agree that nothing is certain at this point in terms of how good our bench will be as of opening night or more importantly opening night of the 2009 playoffs....so there is time to fill Posey's spot.

but i also want to point out that i don't think anybody is arguing that Posey would guarantee another Title....what they are arguing is that he is more of a known quantity than the other replacements being bandied about.....

[RockinRyA]

1.) Not signing Posey or signing Posey to a two year, five dollar a year deal or a 5 year full MLE deal all guarantees the exact same thing. Nothing! And there's no way to prove that having him here makes it more likely than not that they would win another title. It can't be done, no one can prove the future or guarantee it.

2.) Ten months ago the Celtics players 4-12(including such players as Rondo, Perk, Powe, House and Posey) were being called the worst 4-12 in the league by at least one, long-time, well respected basketball pundit. By the end of the year it was being discussed that the Celtics might have had one of the best 4-12 player groups in the league and easily the best defensive 4-12 group in the league. Most of that group will return.

3.) It has been assumed, from I would say 75% of this board or more, that the Celtics would be willing to pay luxury well into the next 4-5 years to assure future championships. They still may be. But not to the extent some believe. It seems based on this report and the action on the Celtics transactions board that the entire concept that ownership is willing to go into the luxury tax is a fairy tale.

In the previous 6 years the Celtics didn't do it. They were very close to not going over it last year and then went over it and then further into it with the Brown and Cassell deals. It could be that Danny has very, very stringent financial guidelines to be working within. I said from the get go that there was no proof of Wyc's continued willingness to go into the luxury tax area and that Danny's approval to do so could be pulled at anytime, so thinking giving Posey a long contract(one over 2 years) was a mistake. Maybe that approval was never given.

4.) I don't begrudge any man trying to make as much money as he possibly can. Players and owners alike. I have no ill will for James taking care of his family by taking the big bucks. I have no ill will towards Wyc Grousbeck if he wants his team to be as profitable as possible. he knows his P & L a lot better than we do and not every owner is Mark Cuban or george Steinbrennar. In fact, most aren't.

5.) There are still a lot of interesting scenarios that could go down with very good players. The following are all still in play even if some RFA's seem like no brainer matches, anything is possible:

Josh Childress
Josh Smith
Andre Iduodala
Eddie House
Emeka Okafor
Luol Deng
Ben Gordon
Delonte West
Jamaal Magliore(if healthy)
Tyrone Lue
J R Smith
Mart Barnes
Dikembe Mutombo
Juan Carlos Navarro
Ryan Gomes
Craig Smith
Jannero Pargo
Bonzi Wells
Carlos Arroyo
Michael Finley
Kurt Thomas

It is quite possible with the money left ove that the Celtics can attain three players that as a unit are as good as the three players that will not return of Posey, House, and Allen. (O'Bryant having already replaced Pollard, some might say Giddens has already replaced Allen).

6.) I expect larger contributions from Rondo, Perk, Powe, and Davis that may well offset some of the loss of quality playing time that we lose in Posey. Less so for Davis since his situation could rely heavily on his physical conditioning. But the others have shown continued growth for at least two years and I don't think it out of the question to think further improvement and more PT is unheard of.

7.) I believe regardless of who fills out this roster, and I still believe we will be surprised as to who is on the opening day roster, this team is the favorite to win it all next year because of the players who remain and the fact that they will be playing together for another year. This team still has growing to do together. The remaining players still have not reached their peak as a collective unit yet. IMO.

8.)It's July, not November.

9.) The sky is not falling.

tp, i agree

thanks posey, congrats with ur new pay. im happy it was the hornets and not the east or the fakers

could we resign TA pls? 

hope scal could get some burn