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Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #255 on: July 13, 2008, 12:42:11 PM »

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Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #256 on: July 13, 2008, 12:44:03 PM »

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Well, if he can give us what Blount gave us before his big payday, then it would be a hell of a pickup.  That player was an excellent defender, with decent offensive skills, and a decent rebounder. 

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« Reply #257 on: July 13, 2008, 12:56:55 PM »

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Well, if he can give us what Blount gave us before his big payday, then it would be a hell of a pickup.  That player was an excellent defender, with decent offensive skills, and a decent rebounder. 


Blount before the attitude appeared (and contract season) was a good backup.  If O'bryant can match close to that, it is a good min contract.

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« Reply #258 on: July 13, 2008, 01:12:20 PM »

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Well, if he can give us what Blount gave us before his big payday, then it would be a hell of a pickup.  That player was an excellent defender, with decent offensive skills, and a decent rebounder. 


Blount before the attitude appeared (and contract season) was a good backup.  If O'bryant can match close to that, it is a good min contract.

In reality, if Patrick o/Bryant matched Blount type numbers for the contract he signed then he is a bargain. My biggest problem with Blount was always his lack of desire, especially after he signed that ridiculous contract.

If POB can set picks, hit his Free Throws, clog the lane and get a few rebounds for 10+ mpg then we made a great acquistion. How many young 7 footers are out there with any semblance of an NBA body or game are available for a minimum contract?

I hope the kid thrives in a positive, lets prove them all wrong atmosphere and gives us more than Scot Pollard or Kandiman have been able to provide for the past few seasons. He will never be Robert Parish, but if he works hard and is commited then I am okay with him. 8)
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« Reply #259 on: July 13, 2008, 02:57:24 PM »

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How many young 7 footers are out there with any semblance of an NBA body or game are available for a minimum contract?


I think thats the thing that has to worry us though.  Why did no one else take a flier on this guy?  If Diop who averages 3 and 5 got a full mid-level, this kid should be able to get more than a minimum.  He doesn't seem like someone who'd come to the C's because there's a title opportunity, and take a paycut. Maybe there's something with his agent repping someone else and a little palm greasing move..I'm not really sure honestly
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« Reply #260 on: July 13, 2008, 03:07:40 PM »

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How many young 7 footers are out there with any semblance of an NBA body or game are available for a minimum contract?


I think thats the thing that has to worry us though.  Why did no one else take a flier on this guy?  If Diop who averages 3 and 5 got a full mid-level, this kid should be able to get more than a minimum.  He doesn't seem like someone who'd come to the C's because there's a title opportunity, and take a paycut. Maybe there's something with his agent repping someone else and a little palm greasing move..I'm not really sure honestly
Worried is not he emotion that you should have when no one else attempts to sign a player that comes to the C's. Just because the other teams don't see what the Celtics see, doesn't mean his talent isn't there. People under valued Posey last year but he was a bargain. What I'm trying to say are contracts aren't always indicative of talent.
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Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #261 on: July 13, 2008, 03:19:33 PM »

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Well, if he can give us what Blount gave us before his big payday, then it would be a hell of a pickup.  That player was an excellent defender, with decent offensive skills, and a decent rebounder. 


Blount before the attitude appeared (and contract season) was a good backup.  If O'bryant can match close to that, it is a good min contract.

In reality, if Patrick o/Bryant matched Blount type numbers for the contract he signed then he is a bargain. My biggest problem with Blount was always his lack of desire, especially after he signed that ridiculous contract.

If POB can set picks, hit his Free Throws, clog the lane and get a few rebounds for 10+ mpg then we made a great acquistion. How many young 7 footers are out there with any semblance of an NBA body or game are available for a minimum contract?

I hope the kid thrives in a positive, lets prove them all wrong atmosphere and gives us more than Scot Pollard or Kandiman have been able to provide for the past few seasons. He will never be Robert Parish, but if he works hard and is commited then I am okay with him. 8)

If O'bryant comes in and does the things that The Kandiman did well (rebound and block the occasion shot) we would be getting a steal for that money. We do not need O'bryant to be a star or a six man. we need him to be a player who can come in off the bench and fill his roll every night.

I loved O'bryant in college, but in a very weak draft he was selected much higher than his talent. In this years draft he would have been selected a the bottom of the 1st/start of the 2nd round.

overall good signing. he is low risk high reward. what more could you want?

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« Reply #262 on: July 13, 2008, 03:20:06 PM »

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For you guys who are jumping on me about a quick mention of a possibility of why Eddie isn't being signed while at the same time writing the disclaimer that I didn't necessarily think it was true but was just theorizing, I think you need to understand, I wanted Eddie back if someone with definitively more PG skills isn't availble for about the same money.

Read the original post for Pete's sake.

It was a theory, that's it. Not a shot a Eddie. But be realistic.

1.) Eddies doesn't have extendedly proficient PG skills, he's more of a shooter. I can admit that and still think Eddie is a hell of a player.

2.) In the midst of a playoff drive and considering the lack of just about any questionably negative comments coming out of the player's mouths all year, his comments while not expletive laced and venemous, were definitely a gripe about his playing time.

3.)If you want to get technical about his late season slump here are his #'s for Nov-Feb and then for Mar-Apr of the regular season.

Nov-Feb  7.7 PPG  41.7FG%   40.5 3PT%  19.3 MPG
Mar-Apr  7.0 PPG  38.6FG%   36.0 3PT%  18.6 MPG

That's over 10 % off. Not exactly just a little off.


on points one and two, nick, i think while maybe technically accurate, IMO they miss the bigger point.

Eddie's investment in and commitment to the team and it's success is unquestionable - gripe or no gripe. plus, all he did was point out the obvious. and when players don't express the desire to play, people say "he's too wishy-washy"....actually the more i think about it, i LIKE the way he handled not getting the PT. if he had declined to comment or gave some some pat reply it could have stirred to pot even more because people would be talking about how he was "secrectly" steamed about the whole thing. but by saying that it was hard not playing, but he focusing his energy on being ready to play when his number was called, he confrimed that he was feeling what ANY competitive player would feel in that cuircumstance and also confirmed that his energy was focused in the right place ...which proved truthful by how he handled himself on the sideline and how he handled himself once he got in the games....

there simply is nothing that Eddie did that would be a reason to not bring him back. i think that is pretty clear. if anything his demeanor while not playing (ie his staying mentally in the game even  from the sidelines) is a reason TO bring him back. when you have a guy have to come in cold the way he did in the playoffs after being a key reserve all year and immediately find ways to contribute....that's a check the positive not negative column.

the other thing that the playoffs highlighted is that the absolute necessity for a "true" PG as a backup was overstated. and i was in the camp wanting another ballhandler to be able to run the offense. but when all was said and done, Eddie's shooting and defense proved way more important than having another "true"PG...it helped keep teams more honest in their attempts to collapse on Pierce, RA and KG.

anyway, like with Posey, he's not irreplaceable, but whoever you get, i think needs to be able to knock down open shots and play good D. i think that was the right recipe. Pruitt fits the mold, but he may be a year away from being ready...
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Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #263 on: July 13, 2008, 03:34:19 PM »

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How many young 7 footers are out there with any semblance of an NBA body or game are available for a minimum contract?


I think thats the thing that has to worry us though.  Why did no one else take a flier on this guy?  If Diop who averages 3 and 5 got a full mid-level, this kid should be able to get more than a minimum.  He doesn't seem like someone who'd come to the C's because there's a title opportunity, and take a paycut. Maybe there's something with his agent repping someone else and a little palm greasing move..I'm not really sure honestly

Funny that you mentioned Diop, who was very underachieving in Cleveland before signing a 2 year $3.6 m FA deal with Dallas.  In Dallas, playing a complementary role surrounded by a better roster, he was very effective in his role. 

If POB makes a commitment to get in great shape and work hard (Cs trainers Walter Norton and Brian Doo are the best in the NBA)< there's no reason he can't be an effective backup in the Celtics' system. 

The fact that another team didn't take a flier on his is irrelevant. POB and his agent mist have seen how productive Perk was in the system last year (best FG% season in Cs history) being fed for easy buckets by the talented cast.  i actually expect this guy to play pretty well for the Celtics this season. 

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« Reply #264 on: July 13, 2008, 03:38:53 PM »

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Since we haven't announced the signing of O'Bryant yet, I believe another signing is currently pending. The same happened with House last year; he wasn't introduced until we signed Pollard 5 days later. Maybe it's Posey, but I think we have shifted our attention to another player as Posey's decision could take another month or so when all good free agents will be long gone.

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« Reply #265 on: July 13, 2008, 04:06:49 PM »

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Well, if he can give us what Blount gave us before his big payday, then it would be a hell of a pickup.  That player was an excellent defender, with decent offensive skills, and a decent rebounder. 


Blount before the attitude appeared (and contract season) was a good backup.  If O'bryant can match close to that, it is a good min contract.

In reality, if Patrick o/Bryant matched Blount type numbers for the contract he signed then he is a bargain. My biggest problem with Blount was always his lack of desire, especially after he signed that ridiculous contract.

If POB can set picks, hit his Free Throws, clog the lane and get a few rebounds for 10+ mpg then we made a great acquistion. How many young 7 footers are out there with any semblance of an NBA body or game are available for a minimum contract?

I hope the kid thrives in a positive, lets prove them all wrong atmosphere and gives us more than Scot Pollard or Kandiman have been able to provide for the past few seasons. He will never be Robert Parish, but if he works hard and is commited then I am okay with him. 8)

If O'bryant comes in and does the things that The Kandiman did well (rebound and block the occasion shot) we would be getting a steal for that money. We do not need O'bryant to be a star or a six man. we need him to be a player who can come in off the bench and fill his roll every night.

I loved O'bryant in college, but in a very weak draft he was selected much higher than his talent. In this years draft he would have been selected a the bottom of the 1st/start of the 2nd round.

overall good signing. he is low risk high reward. what more could you want?
In other words, exactly where the C's picked.  Given his limited NBA experience and age, I view POB as a "draft pick".  Here's a challenge for the draft nuts out there:  Name me another legit 7-footer who can block shots and clean up around the rim that was available to the C's at #30 that you would rather have than O'Bryant. If you can't, that helps explain why Giddens was chosen.

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« Reply #266 on: July 13, 2008, 04:14:46 PM »

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Good pick up. His main hurdle has been getting over the unrealistically high expectations that came with going as high as he did; but the added maturity is very valuable and he should be a solid contributor. Better than Pollard or Ratliff. C's do not want to get burnt by another injury prone vet.

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« Reply #267 on: July 13, 2008, 04:26:16 PM »

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Just out of curiosity, I wonder if Clifford Ray has any input to the signing of young bigmen like POB. It would make sense although I dont remember seeing his name on the list of Celtics guys who were present when O'Bryant worked out for the team in Waltham.

I guess he could have had him around at a bigman camp or gone from films to make a judgement. Maybe he saw him play a few times somewhere? I would think Danny might use his input as a 'big' talent evaluator. 8)
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« Reply #268 on: July 13, 2008, 04:39:27 PM »

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Good pick up. His main hurdle has been getting over the unrealistically high expectations that came with going as high as he did; but the added maturity is very valuable and he should be a solid contributor. Better than Pollard or Ratliff. C's do not want to get burnt by another injury prone vet.

I think Ratliff was more of a wink wink injury though...he showed he could help in Detroit (not enough though as we beat them in 6! yay good memories!)
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« Reply #269 on: July 13, 2008, 05:08:45 PM »

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How many young 7 footers are out there with any semblance of an NBA body or game are available for a minimum contract?


I think thats the thing that has to worry us though.  Why did no one else take a flier on this guy?  If Diop who averages 3 and 5 got a full mid-level, this kid should be able to get more than a minimum.  He doesn't seem like someone who'd come to the C's because there's a title opportunity, and take a paycut. Maybe there's something with his agent repping someone else and a little palm greasing move..I'm not really sure honestly

Funny that you mentioned Diop, who was very underachieving in Cleveland before signing a 2 year $3.6 m FA deal with Dallas.  In Dallas, playing a complementary role surrounded by a better roster, he was very effective in his role. 

If POB makes a commitment to get in great shape and work hard (Cs trainers Walter Norton and Brian Doo are the best in the NBA)< there's no reason he can't be an effective backup in the Celtics' system. 

The fact that another team didn't take a flier on his is irrelevant. POB and his agent mist have seen how productive Perk was in the system last year (best FG% season in Cs history) being fed for easy buckets by the talented cast.  i actually expect this guy to play pretty well for the Celtics this season. 

For some reason, I believe that Clifford Ray was Diop's position coach in Dallas.  Is that correct?