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Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #270 on: July 13, 2008, 05:12:37 PM »

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Just out of curiosity, I wonder if Clifford Ray has any input to the signing of young bigmen like POB. It would make sense although I dont remember seeing his name on the list of Celtics guys who were present when O'Bryant worked out for the team in Waltham.

I guess he could have had him around at a bigman camp or gone from films to make a judgement. Maybe he saw him play a few times somewhere? I would think Danny might use his input as a 'big' talent evaluator. 8)

I bet he does have input.  If he didn't see POB in his recent work outs, I bet he saw him a couple years ago when POB tried out in Boston.
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Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #271 on: July 13, 2008, 06:15:38 PM »

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Maybe he deserves a chance?! If he doesn't improve in the early regular season, come the deadline, maybe we sign a veteran C/PF, or bring PJ back from retirement again.. lol..
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Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #272 on: July 13, 2008, 06:31:24 PM »

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Quote from: AHHH GiVE mE a bReaK link=topic=21107.msg330283#msg330283
If O'bryant comes in and does the things that The Kandiman did well (rebound and block the occasion shot) we would be getting a steal for that money.

I know I'll get blasted for this, but I'm not sure why we didn't just re-sign Kandi for the vet minimum last year and this.  For a winning team, in a specified role, I can see Kandi filling that role nicely.  (Not so sure of it now after a year off, but I always thought he would've been better than Pollard last year).

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« Reply #273 on: July 13, 2008, 06:41:36 PM »

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Quote from: AHHH GiVE mE a bReaK link=topic=21107.msg330283#msg330283
If O'bryant comes in and does the things that The Kandiman did well (rebound and block the occasion shot) we would be getting a steal for that money.

I know I'll get blasted for this, but I'm not sure why we didn't just re-sign Kandi for the vet minimum last year and this.  For a winning team, in a specified role, I can see Kandi filling that role nicely.  (Not so sure of it now after a year off, but I always thought he would've been better than Pollard last year).

I'm not going to bash you, I was actually thinking the same thing... last year.  However, at this point, I'm not as sure.  O'Bryant has upside... we all know that, Kandi doesn't have any.  However, if O'Bryant struggles, I wouldn't mind working out Kandi, although I'd really hope that P.J. would come back for another late season run.

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« Reply #274 on: July 13, 2008, 06:48:31 PM »

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Quote from: AHHH GiVE mE a bReaK link=topic=21107.msg330283#msg330283
If O'bryant comes in and does the things that The Kandiman did well (rebound and block the occasion shot) we would be getting a steal for that money.

I know I'll get blasted for this, but I'm not sure why we didn't just re-sign Kandi for the vet minimum last year and this.  For a winning team, in a specified role, I can see Kandi filling that role nicely.  (Not so sure of it now after a year off, but I always thought he would've been better than Pollard last year).

I wondered the same thing last year.  Only thing I can think of is that KG and Kandi didn't get along....
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Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #275 on: July 13, 2008, 07:09:20 PM »

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Quote from: AHHH GiVE mE a bReaK link=topic=21107.msg330283#msg330283
If O'bryant comes in and does the things that The Kandiman did well (rebound and block the occasion shot) we would be getting a steal for that money.

I know I'll get blasted for this, but I'm not sure why we didn't just re-sign Kandi for the vet minimum last year and this.  For a winning team, in a specified role, I can see Kandi filling that role nicely.  (Not so sure of it now after a year off, but I always thought he would've been better than Pollard last year).

he moved like a fossil and looked quite literally like his feet were stuck in cement.  if o'bryant can do anything with his size, it's an upgrade over pollard who was limited in both skill and usefulness (due to his injuries).  but kandi, pity the man, was nothing more than an overrated waste of space...
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« Reply #276 on: July 13, 2008, 07:41:56 PM »

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Quote from: AHHH GiVE mE a bReaK link=topic=21107.msg330283#msg330283
If O'bryant comes in and does the things that The Kandiman did well (rebound and block the occasion shot) we would be getting a steal for that money.

I know I'll get blasted for this, but I'm not sure why we didn't just re-sign Kandi for the vet minimum last year and this.  For a winning team, in a specified role, I can see Kandi filling that role nicely.  (Not so sure of it now after a year off, but I always thought he would've been better than Pollard last year).

I'm not going to bash you, I was actually thinking the same thing... last year.  However, at this point, I'm not as sure.  O'Bryant has upside... we all know that, Kandi doesn't have any.  However, if O'Bryant struggles, I wouldn't mind working out Kandi, although I'd really hope that P.J. would come back for another late season run.

not to change the thread topic, but the POB and kandi comparisons maybe insightful.

when i watched kandi with the celtics, there were moments when you could see just how athletic he was and hy he was the #1 pick in the draft.

i remember one play on the offensive end, kandi kept a rebound alive while surrounded by 3 players from the other team. but it looked so easy for him, almost like a man among children.

when kandi really wanted to play, he is (was?) a superior talent. but that, as has been discussed at length in this blog, is the rub with kandi. never a question of talent for him, only of desire.

and that is my biggest question about POB. he is NOT as talented as kandi, that is certain, but has he suddenly become dedicated to being as good as he can be? will he become a taller powe? a quicker perk?

on the offensive end POB will make perk look like the slow dinosaur he is. (i like perk, but we all know it can be painful it is to watch him on offense)

if KG, rondo, and others can get the ball to POB as they do perk, POB will put it in the basket easily. no more "catch the ball, put the ball down on the floor, lumber around a bit, go to the basket...." and hope it aint blocked from behind...ahow often did we see perkins perform that dance? instead, POB should be able to catch the ball and put it up immediately, and finish better around the basket. (I am not saying POB will be great, only better than perk on offense.)

if POB really WANTS to play HARD, i am sure he will pick up a LOT of easy baskets. he will be fine backup for perk.... ha, i will go further. if POB actually performs up to his abiity, i predict threads of posters here clamoring for him to start in place of perk.

but all of this happens if, and only if, POB decides he really wants to play to his abilities.
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Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #277 on: July 13, 2008, 08:01:23 PM »

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POB would need to become a 15 and 10 guy to supplant Perk as a starter.  Perk is just too valuable defensively.  KG has called him the best low post defender in the league, and although he was probably trumpeting a teammate a bit, Perk is int he top five or so. 

If POB can become half the defender Perk has become, and develops his offense (he has a sweet hook shot and a soft jumper), the Cs will have a nice young backup.  It's all about his attitude.  If POB sees it as the opportunity it is, he could be looking at a Blount-like $35+ million contract in a couple of years, if he's efficient and productive here. 

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« Reply #278 on: July 13, 2008, 08:03:54 PM »

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Can't believe it this may actually make it to 20 pages!
How many pages did Batista get last year?
Was clear that Batista got out played by Powe and BBD.
No way that happens with POB. Agree with the post above.
The big three have turned Perkins in to a major offensive weapon.
Imagine what they can do for POB.

Perk is a Beast. Maybe some of it can rub off on POB.
POB can help Perk with his hook shot.
KG will keep a fire under him no doubt.

He should be very fired up to be in such special company.

Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #279 on: July 13, 2008, 08:12:02 PM »

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Maybe this post will be at the top of page 20?  Whatever, I agree with whoever said this is the result of "no Posey news" with Celtics fans starving for something to talk about.  Also, if POB's 1st year contract is guaranteed, he deserves a heck of a lot more discussion than Batista.

Oh, and great post, hwangjini_1.  I agree 100%. ;)

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« Reply #280 on: July 13, 2008, 08:19:40 PM »

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Can't believe it this may actually make it to 20 pages!
How many pages did Batista get last year?
Was clear that Batista got out played by Powe and BBD.
No way that happens with POB. Agree with the post above.
The big three have turned Perkins in to a major offensive weapon.
Imagine what they can do for POB.

Perk is a Beast. Maybe some of it can rub off on POB.
POB can help Perk with his hook shot.
KG will keep a fire under him no doubt.

He should be very fired up to be in such special company.

Ha! I already forgot about Batista!! Wasn't he going to be the next Vlade Divac or Hakeem Olajuwon!  ::)

Now Obryant is either going to be the next Robert Parish.... or Blount/Olowakandi.  :-X

I'm not sure why i'm still checking in on this thread.... (read: desperate for Celtics FA news)... I need to go to the beach and get some sun or something.

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« Reply #281 on: July 13, 2008, 08:57:58 PM »

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From what I gather about POB he has long arms and is a good rebounder and defender.

Isn't that kind of like Perk?  Wouldn't that make him possibly a good back up?

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« Reply #282 on: July 13, 2008, 09:05:00 PM »

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From what I gather about POB he has long arms and is a good rebounder and defender.

Isn't that kind of like Perk?  Wouldn't that make him possibly a good back up?

O'Bryant really isn't "good" at anything right now.  If he was a good rebounder and defender, he would have gotten playing time.

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Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #283 on: July 13, 2008, 09:26:57 PM »

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As I have said for me the determining factor as to whether this is a good signing is what was he signed for as a contract and where will his role be.

Since the roster hasn't been completed for this year yet, regarding the latter, I don't currently have an opinion on.

The former is different. If they used the LLE in a guaranteed 2 year deal then I feel it was a bad signing. If it was a vet minimum for a 2 year with 1 year guaranteed and the other with either a team provision or a kicker that guarantees the contract based on games played or performance, then it is a good signing.

I just hope this is not the vet C they plan on throwing out on the floor as part of some grand scheme to rework the bench due to the loss of Posey, House, or both.

Just because he will be healthy to play and Pollard wasn't, doesn't mean that by playing he couldn't actually set this club back.

But if he slowly shows something and the Celtics feel that Erden is further away from being ready than just one year overseas, why not try to develop a guy for two years and maybe get lucky.

From what I have read, scouts and teams weren't exactly salivating at the opportunity to have Ben Wallace, Brad Miller, and Jermaine O'Neal when they were very young and just entered the league. It took a team change or 2 and some different coaching and work to develop those guys.

I have never seen him play so maybe POB never becomes more than Kevinn Pinkney but if the coaching staff feels that they see something they can work with and he isn't going to be thrown into a position on the team any higher than the 12th spot and he is costing only a vet min contract that's guaranteed for 1 year,

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Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #284 on: July 13, 2008, 09:31:43 PM »

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Does anyone else agree that this deal is very similar to what Dallas did two years ago when they signed Diop. Diop showed nothing for the Cavs and looked like a total bust. He was signed by Dallas for the minimum and transformed himself into a good defensive back up center. If the the celtics get similar production out of O'Bryant then it will be great, if not they will just sign a high energy 7 footer who does not have a job. There is a good move by Danny because O'Bryant can only get better and if he does not then you cut him and take no financial loss.