Jaylen Traded to PHI for PG, 2 First Round Picks & 2 Second Round Picks

[Who]

Question - are we mad because JB was traded, or are we mad because we got PG13 and only 2 picks in return, when 2 weeks ago we were thinking we might get Giannis at least?  Like if somehow PG0 contributes, maybe not scoring 28ppg but adds to winning and we keep winning, is all forgiven? Or nothing will heal this wound?

In my opinion, nothing short of a championship heals this wound.  They don?t have to win it all next year, but if and when they ever win again, all will be okay.

Quoting you just as an example, not trying to fixate on you specifically. So apologies in advance if it comes across as pointed.

Some seem to think the Jays could still win a title in this new CBA climate. Others did not.

If you think the Jays could still win a title this definitely stings a lot more.

I believe

(1) BOS could have won another title with JB & JT

(2) BOS can still win another title after this trade. Not immediately but they do have a well-filled cupboard of trade assets now that will allow them to get another star player to pair with JT.

When that happens, likely next summer (12 months) or the subsequent trade deadline (18 months), BOS will be back playing for Championships again for the remainder of JT's best years.

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... so I don't think much has changed.

The chances of winning another title are fairly similar with or without this Jaylen Brown trade. The future is still excellent for BOS. Times are good even though we have taken a short term step back for next season.

[Neurotic Guy]

Question - are we mad because JB was traded, or are we mad because we got PG13 and only 2 picks in return, when 2 weeks ago we were thinking we might get Giannis at least?  Like if somehow PG0 contributes, maybe not scoring 28ppg but adds to winning and we keep winning, is all forgiven? Or nothing will heal this wound?

In my opinion, nothing short of a championship heals this wound.  They don?t have to win it all next year, but if and when they ever win again, all will be okay.

Quoting you just as an example, not trying to fixate on you specifically. So apologies in advance if it comes across as pointed.

Some seem to think the Jays could still win a title in this new CBA climate. Others did not.

If you think the Jays could still win a title this definitely stings a lot more.

I believe

(1) BOS could have won another title with JB & JT

(2) BOS can still win another title after this trade. Not immediately but they do have a well-filled cupboard of trade assets now that will allow them to get another star player to pair with JT.

When that happens, likely next summer (12 months) or the subsequent trade deadline (18 months), BOS will be back playing for Championships again for the remainder of JT's best years.

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... so I don't think much has changed.

The chances of winning another title are fairly similar with or without this Jaylen Brown trade. The future is still excellent for BOS. Times are good even though we have taken a short term step back for next season.

I think your last sentence sums it up for me.  The more I look at team 26-27, the more it looks barely different than it would have been if we kept JB this year.  As the dust is settling, and it definitely is, the bottom line is consensus that Brad took such a shockingly small return for a player of JBs caliber/age -- along with disbelief that there were no better offers.  But when considering how the PG13 contract plays out, and considering there is some draft capital gained, the reality of where the team lands becomes, at least potentially, a little less harsh. 

Also... I know that 2nd round picks aren't anything to jump for joy about, but from the looks of the two picks they received I think low 30's is a strong possibility for both.  That gives them SOME value - not all that much different than a late 20's.   Wish it was 3 or 4 firsts, but not to be.

[Who]

Paul George is the new Theo Ratliff.

Theo Ratliff being the expiring contract we needed to match salaries to get Kevin Garnett. That is what Paul George will be to us in 12-18 months time. And the picks we got from Philly (as well as our own) are the young assets we needed to put around Theo Ratliff to get that superstar in KG.

[Who]

Boston's Jaylen Brown trade return of Paul George, two first-round picks, and two second-round picks left numerous NBA executives around the league bewildered.

"They couldn't have gotten better than that?" one neutral observing executive whose team was not in the Brown sweepstakes told HoopsHype.

Many around the league were surprised George, 36, was the best player Boston could land for a 29-year-old Brown who was sixth in the NBA MVP voting this past season. George, a nine-time All-Star in his 16-year career, hasn't been an All-Star the past two seasons since joining the 76ers in free agency. He's been limited to 78 combined games the past two seasons and is owed $110.72 million over the next two seasons, including his player option for the 2027-28 season.

"I can't believe they did that," one executive whose team was consistently monitoring Brown's availability said.

"I've been sitting here thinking about it all day," an executive whose team made an offer to land Brown also told HoopsHype late Monday night.

Around midseason, I expect a lot of GMs will be looking back on this and regretting they didn't go harder after Jaylen Brown. That their teams aren't good enough to win as is and JB could have been the missing the piece. That they blew this opportunity.

Those executive responses remind me of the Pau Gasol trade. The whole lead was flummoxed that Memphis traded away Pau for so little in return. And in that case, did not even openly put him on the market despite the poor offer they had. Although that one worked out well for Memphis in the end. I think this one will work out well for Boston too. 

[ozgod]

For anyone interested Jaylen is streaming (again) on Twitch, ruminating about a range of topics including the media beat up, the trade, Colin Cowherd, Bobby Marks, and how hard it will be for him to "reverse engineer his brain" to start cheering for Philly when he's been programmed to hate Philly as a Celtic.

He keeps repeating "Boston rolled me up, packed me up, sayonara baby...they say it's a business, they treated me like a business". Sounds a bit bitter about how it all went down.

Says he wishes it could have been explained to him better...sounds like he was as surprised as we were about the trade. Says he's not going to be losing any sleep about it though.

Keeps ranting about anonymous sources attacking his character.

He's live right now on the link below.

https://m.twitch.tv/fchwpo

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

For anyone interested Jaylen is streaming (again) on Twitch, ruminating about a range of topics including the media beat up, the trade, Colin Cowherd, Bobby Marks, and how hard it will be for him to "reverse engineer his brain" to start cheering for Philly when he's been programmed to hate Philly as a Celtic.

He keeps repeating "Boston rolled me up, packed me up, sayonara baby...they say it's a business, they treated me like a business". Sounds a bit bitter about how it all went down.

Says he wishes it could have been explained to him better...sounds like he was as surprised as we were about the trade. Says he's not going to be losing any sleep about it though.

Keeps ranting about anonymous sources attacking his character.

He's live right now on the link below.

https://m.twitch.tv/fchwpo

He?s always been a little too close to ?Kyrie territory? for my liking.

[Who]

Isaiah sticking up for Jaylen

Isaiah Thomas
@isaiahthomas

It?s so nasty all the NEGATIVE things I?m seeing people say about Jaylen Brown!!! I don?t care how yall talk about bros game, it?s all opinion based anyway! Please stay away from talking about the PERSON and his character!!!! He?s real as they come! Don?t get it twisted people

Nice to see a former teammate stick up for him.

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I was listening to John Karalis and they say it is still on quiet on the Jayson Tatum front. He has said nothing about Jaylen since the trade.

We heard about the young guys reaching out to Jaylen. Not sure about the other guys on the team.

[radiohead]

It?s interesting that the official Celtics twitter has no goodbye/thank you post for JB and no welcome post for PG. Is the trade not official yet? Even PG?s goodbye Philly post has no mention of Boston. Is Brad trying to ship PG to a third team? I know, i?m overthinking. It?s just weird.

[Celtics2021]

It?s interesting that the official Celtics twitter has no goodbye/thank you post for JB and no welcome post for PG. Is the trade not official yet? Even PG?s goodbye Philly post has no mention of Boston. Is Brad trying to ship PG to a third team? I know, i?m overthinking. It?s just weird.

Correct, not official yet.  No trades can be official until Monday.

[tenn_smoothie]

Paul George is the new Theo Ratliff.

Theo Ratliff being the expiring contract we needed to match salaries to get Kevin Garnett. That is what Paul George will be to us in 12-18 months time. And the picks we got from Philly (as well as our own) are the young assets we needed to put around Theo Ratliff to get that superstar in KG.

But can't Paul George prevent Boston from trading him as an expiring contract next year by simply opting out next summer and declaring himself an unrestricted free agent ?
That would blow up this entire plan if it is, in fact, what Brad had in mind when he did this and took us out of title contention and wasted another season of Tatum's prime.

[Who]

Paul George is the new Theo Ratliff.

Theo Ratliff being the expiring contract we needed to match salaries to get Kevin Garnett. That is what Paul George will be to us in 12-18 months time. And the picks we got from Philly (as well as our own) are the young assets we needed to put around Theo Ratliff to get that superstar in KG.

But can't Paul George prevent Boston from trading him as an expiring contract next year by simply opting out next summer and declaring himself an unrestricted free agent ?
That would blow up this entire plan if it is, in fact, what Brad had in mind when he did this and took us out of title contention and wasted another season of Tatum's prime.

Paul George is going to be earning $60 million dollars. His market value is closer to $20mil a season so he would end up losing a ton of money. So he won't opt out.

But if he does ...

That is fine too because it will open up a ton of cap space for Boston and they will be pursue a star through FA. We will have Tatum & D White & Pritchard on the books. We will have a cap hold for Queta. Scheierman on a cheap deal. We might need to offload M Robinson and Hauser to free up more money (another $25mil or so) but that is doable. We are quite lean financially if PG13 does opt out so we can become a major player in FA if he does.

It is a win-win.

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If Brad strikes out in the trade market over the next 2 years, then PG13 leaves as a free agent and BOS will have cap room in 2028.

Although cap room in 2028 looks tighter than I initially thought. 

Boston will have paid Queta his new extension by then (next summer). If we agree an early deal with Pritchard (expires same time as PG13), that would add his new improved larger deal onto the books as well. Those extra contracts for Pritchard and Queta will probably be $20-25mil each so $40-50mil combined. Plus there is D White & Tatum ($100mil for those 2). That could be $140-150mil for those 4 players by themselves. The cap will have probably gone up to $195mil or so. But you still have Hugo, cap holds for empty roster spots, whatever extensions may have been given to J Walsh or Baylor. Still have to move M Robinson & Hauser. It is doable but tight. More difficult to have large cap space in 2028 than 2027.

So I see that as the fallback option if Brad strikes out in the trade market with PG13. The next best route to acquiring a star to go alongside Tatum. 

[LilRip]

Boston's Jaylen Brown trade return of Paul George, two first-round picks, and two second-round picks left numerous NBA executives around the league bewildered.

"They couldn't have gotten better than that?" one neutral observing executive whose team was not in the Brown sweepstakes told HoopsHype.

Many around the league were surprised George, 36, was the best player Boston could land for a 29-year-old Brown who was sixth in the NBA MVP voting this past season. George, a nine-time All-Star in his 16-year career, hasn't been an All-Star the past two seasons since joining the 76ers in free agency. He's been limited to 78 combined games the past two seasons and is owed $110.72 million over the next two seasons, including his player option for the 2027-28 season.

"I can't believe they did that," one executive whose team was consistently monitoring Brown's availability said.

"I've been sitting here thinking about it all day," an executive whose team made an offer to land Brown also told HoopsHype late Monday night.

Around midseason, I expect a lot of GMs will be looking back on this and regretting they didn't go harder after Jaylen Brown. That their teams aren't good enough to win as is and JB could have been the missing the piece. That they blew this opportunity.

Those executive responses remind me of the Pau Gasol trade. The whole lead was flummoxed that Memphis traded away Pau for so little in return. And in that case, did not even openly put him on the market despite the poor offer they had. Although that one worked out well for Memphis in the end. I think this one will work out well for Boston too.

This is why I wonder why the trade had to happen NOW. If it was done later in the offseason, more executives could have upped their offer.

Maybe there will be another trade but it seems like the Celtics are done for the offseason

[tenn_smoothie]

There has to be some explanation here that we are not aware of.
This trade is so far off what Brad has done historically when he has acquired productive talent that fit the team's needs and chemistry on very reasonable terms.

Maybe there are more moves now or down the road that will end up greatly improving the team in the long run.

A very bad possibility could be this move was forced by new ownership who are only in this for the money and did not want to deal with Brown's extension.

If the reason comes out that this was done because Jaylen had become very unhappy over being shopped, then ok, maybe. But if that was the case, Brad could surely have waited for a better offer. Also, Brown's reaction to the trade indicated he was taken by surprise and very disappointed to be leaving Boston, though his social media comments could have been only for effect and were not sincere.

As it stands now, this makes no sense.

[Celtics4ever]

A very bad possibility could be this move was forced by new ownership who are only in this for the money and did not want to deal with Brown's extension.

This is what I suspect and fear.

[Kernewek]

There has to be some explanation here that we are not aware of.
This trade is so far off what Brad has done historically when he has acquired productive talent that fit the team's needs and chemistry on very reasonable terms.

Maybe there are more moves now or down the road that will end up greatly improving the team in the long run.

A very bad possibility could be this move was forced by new ownership who are only in this for the money and did not want to deal with Brown's extension.

If the reason comes out that this was done because Jaylen had become very unhappy over being shopped, then ok, maybe. But if that was the case, Brad could surely have waited for a better offer. Also, Brown's reaction to the trade indicated he was taken by surprise and very disappointed to be leaving Boston, though his social media comments could have been only for effect and were not sincere.

As it stands now, this makes no sense.

Well, in terms of basketball (paraphrasing from another thread), if the Celtics FO believes that:

• This team is going to be better than last year's team, and the drop off from JB to PG won't be as extreme as it seems
• A team lead by JT and JB can't meaningfully compete for a championship
• Brown isn't worth the contract extension and he won't be happy if he isn't extended, which will impact his play

Then there's a strong argument that it's better to position the team for a deep playoff run in two years' time, where we will have enough space for another max contract, a fully reset repeater tax clock, and a very high pick from the Clippers in time for a very deep free agency pool - versus running it back with the Jays and not a ton of help (because the team is pretty limited in what they can build around both of them this offseason if they stay put).