Time for a change?

[Vermont Green]

Sounds like they are cheaping out. Trusting in their management brain power to put together quality supporting casts for Tatum with medium contract vets, small money FAs and young players. That they are not willing to spend big money on multiple stars without being championship favorites.

it's premature to be throwing "the owners are cheaping" out accusations at this point.  I have little doubt goal #1 this coming season is to stay under the cap and reset the repeater tax penalty.

next year with that penalty reset they should be expended to pony up the cash for players but at that point what tools would Brad have to add top players?

Especially in light of the fact that the team tried to trade for Giannis.  That is not exactly cheaping out.

[Goldstar88]

According to The Ringer?s Bill Simmons, folks around him during the French festival noted that Brown appears to have mentally moved on from Boston already. The word on the street on Jaylen in France, and I know multiple people who were either in his vicinity or whatever, is that he was acting like he?s done in Boston, and that this is it, and I don?t think he?s very happy with this, Simmons said during Sunday?s episode of his podcast.
Larry Brown Sports

[slamtheking]

Sounds like they are cheaping out. Trusting in their management brain power to put together quality supporting casts for Tatum with medium contract vets, small money FAs and young players. That they are not willing to spend big money on multiple stars without being championship favorites.

it's premature to be throwing "the owners are cheaping" out accusations at this point.  I have little doubt goal #1 this coming season is to stay under the cap and reset the repeater tax penalty.

next year with that penalty reset they should be expected to pony up the cash for players but at that point what tools would Brad have to add top players?

Especially in light of the fact that the team tried to trade for Giannis.  That is not exactly cheaping out.

precisely

[snively]

Sounds like they are cheaping out. Trusting in their management brain power to put together quality supporting casts for Tatum with medium contract vets, small money FAs and young players. That they are not willing to spend big money on multiple stars without being championship favorites.

it's premature to be throwing "the owners are cheaping" out accusations at this point.  I have little doubt goal #1 this coming season is to stay under the cap and reset the repeater tax penalty.

next year with that penalty reset they should be expended to pony up the cash for players but at that point what tools would Brad have to add top players?

Especially in light of the fact that the team tried to trade for Giannis.  That is not exactly cheaping out.

It seems that they are unsatisfied with paying JB. That if they are going to pay big money it be for a consensus top 5-10 guy and if not to trim payroll and find a way to add production at a lower price point.

[Celtics4ever]

I think these extensions that happen three or four years before the contract is done, are the dumbest thing the league has ever done.

[Celtics2021]

I think these extensions that happen three or four years before the contract is done, are the dumbest thing the league has ever done.

It is funny.  Owners demanded shorter contracts.  6 years used be quite common.  Now they are generally 4 and sometimes 5 years long, so after two year a player comes back asking for a new linger deal, winding up where we used to be before.

[Goldstar88]

League sources said that the Celtics have continued to field calls from teams interested in trading for Brown. A league source said that Brown has grown frustrated with the organization?s approach following a season in which he guided the Celtics to 56 wins while Jayson Tatum was sidelined for months with an Achilles injury.
Boston Globe

[jpotter33]

League sources said that the Celtics have continued to field calls from teams interested in trading for Brown. A league source said that Brown has grown frustrated with the organization?s approach following a season in which he guided the Celtics to 56 wins while Jayson Tatum was sidelined for months with an Achilles injury.
Boston Globe

https://x.com/jakeissenberg/status/2071779977759228322

Jaylen liking some thoughtful instagram comments today.

The comment in question says: "Man as a person who can't stand the Celtics I hope they do right by him and trading him to a city who respects him."

I'm done with the JB experience. The petulant "woe is me" attitude because his own ego can't tune out the noise from the media and social media in particular - which, by the way, his own comments and actions have only stoked all season long - is just super frustrating. I think it's best for all parties involved to move on at this point.

Appreciate all he has done for the Celtics, and his jersey very well may end up in the rafters. However, the juice is no longer worth the squeeze in my eyes, regardless if we're discussing the contract issue, his impact on winning games, or all the noise that accompanies him because of his dynamic with JT. Just lean fully into JT moving forward and start *truly* building the team around him.

We obviously screwed the pooch on the Giannis thing - though there were legitimate questions about fit and health there. I'm coming around on the Nuggets idea. Not a huge fan of Murray, but it would be interesting to see JT with a better offensive guard.

[Phantom255x]

League sources said that the Celtics have continued to field calls from teams interested in trading for Brown. A league source said that Brown has grown frustrated with the organization?s approach following a season in which he guided the Celtics to 56 wins while Jayson Tatum was sidelined for months with an Achilles injury.
Boston Globe

https://x.com/jakeissenberg/status/2071779977759228322

Jaylen liking some thoughtful instagram comments today.

The comment in question says: "Man as a person who can't stand the Celtics I hope they do right by him and trading him to a city who respects him."

I'm done with the JB experience. The petulant "woe is me" attitude because his own ego can't tune out the noise from the media and social media in particular - which, by the way, his own comments and actions have only stoked all season long - is just super frustrating. I think it's best for all parties involved to move on at this point.

Appreciate all he has done for the Celtics, and his jersey very well may end up in the rafters. However, the juice is no longer worth the squeeze in my eyes, regardless if we're discussing the contract issue, his impact on winning games, or all the noise that accompanies him because of his dynamic with JT. Just lean fully into JT moving forward and start *truly* building the team around him.

We obviously screwed the pooch on the Giannis thing - though there were legitimate questions about fit and health there. I'm coming around on the Nuggets idea. Not a huge fan of Murray, but it would be interesting to see JT with a better offensive guard.

I'm still not trading him if the value isn't there in a return. What's he gonna do, be frustrated and sit out? Then good luck getting the extension, because I think the league is also basically saying they don't want to give Jaylen those additional years nor are they willing to give up a ton to get him in trade.

I do agree the analytic comments criticizing Jaylen are way too much and the fact that teams are valuing others like Morant/Lamelo more is a bit asinine, but that's just the harsh reality too. I really can't see Brad just dumping Jaylen for scraps, it can't be that bad, and even if it is, just keep him. If he sits out and continues lashing out in the media, I don't see how that helps his cause in trying to get an extension, either here or somewhere else.

Edit - Just to clarify, if they get "80 cents on the dollar" for Jaylen, I'd still be a bit irked but accept it at this point. What I'm talking about is if a team is offering like a bad contract OR just a mere role player and maybe 2 future picks for Jaylen in trade. THAT would be terrible and not worth it even with his antics. And frankly, now that the Blazers aren't pursuing him idk what is realistic.

[Goldstar88]

Sounds like Kawhi is done playing for the LAC. Wonder if Ballmer will now make a move for JB.

Surprised we aren?t hearing more about Houston. If they are keeping KD and FVV, adding JB would be a win now move. Rockets were a 5th seed last year.

Houston:
Starters: Vanvleet, Brown, Thompson, KD, Adams
Bench: Shepard, Eason, Finney-Smith, Capela

That?s a very good team.

Boston:
Starters: Pritchard, White, Tatum, Smith Jr, Sengun
Bench: Baylor, Harper Jr, Hauser, Hugo, Walsh, Queta, Garza

I could live with that.

[Who]

League sources said that the Celtics have continued to field calls from teams interested in trading for Brown.

A league source said that Brown has grown frustrated with the organization's approach following a season in which he guided the Celtics to 56 wins while Jayson Tatum was sidelined for months with an Achilles injury.

Boston Globe

I did not realize that was Himmelsbach reporting this.

I was listening to John Karalis and he did not like seeing that. Himmelsbach being a local beat writer will be more reluctant / hesitant to write rumours unlike national media who will report on anything. That Himmelsbach wrote this gives it far more credibility in the eyes of Karalis.

[SparzWizard]

League sources said that the Celtics have continued to field calls from teams interested in trading for Brown. A league source said that Brown has grown frustrated with the organization?s approach following a season in which he guided the Celtics to 56 wins while Jayson Tatum was sidelined for months with an Achilles injury.
Boston Globe

https://x.com/jakeissenberg/status/2071779977759228322

Jaylen liking some thoughtful instagram comments today.

The comment in question says: "Man as a person who can't stand the Celtics I hope they do right by him and trading him to a city who respects him."

I'm done with the JB experience. The petulant "woe is me" attitude because his own ego can't tune out the noise from the media and social media in particular - which, by the way, his own comments and actions have only stoked all season long - is just super frustrating. I think it's best for all parties involved to move on at this point.

Appreciate all he has done for the Celtics, and his jersey very well may end up in the rafters. However, the juice is no longer worth the squeeze in my eyes, regardless if we're discussing the contract issue, his impact on winning games, or all the noise that accompanies him because of his dynamic with JT. Just lean fully into JT moving forward and start *truly* building the team around him.

We obviously screwed the pooch on the Giannis thing - though there were legitimate questions about fit and health there. I'm coming around on the Nuggets idea. Not a huge fan of Murray, but it would be interesting to see JT with a better offensive guard.

I'm still not trading him if the value isn't there in a return. What's he gonna do, be frustrated and sit out? Then good luck getting the extension, because I think the league is also basically saying they don't want to give Jaylen those additional years nor are they willing to give up a ton to get him in trade.

I do agree the analytic comments criticizing Jaylen are way too much and the fact that teams are valuing others like Morant/Lamelo more is a bit asinine, but that's just the harsh reality too. I really can't see Brad just dumping Jaylen for scraps, it can't be that bad, and even if it is, just keep him. If he sits out and continues lashing out in the media, I don't see how that helps his cause in trying to get an extension, either here or somewhere else.

Edit - Just to clarify, if they get "80 cents on the dollar" for Jaylen, I'd still be a bit irked but accept it at this point. What I'm talking about is if a team is offering like a bad contract OR just a mere role player and maybe 2 future picks for Jaylen in trade. THAT would be terrible and not worth it even with his antics. And frankly, now that the Blazers aren't pursuing him idk what is realistic.

It's better to get something out of him than nothing at that point. Whether it's 80 cents for a dollar or 30 cents for a dollar, just make the swing. JB is done with Boston.

And Brad, idk what he thinks of Hugo and Baylor that he can't unload them for Giannis, but those two better be All-Stars this upcoming season. Otherwise this JB/Giannis saga will torpedo the Celtics

[Ilikesports17]

League sources said that the Celtics have continued to field calls from teams interested in trading for Brown. A league source said that Brown has grown frustrated with the organization?s approach following a season in which he guided the Celtics to 56 wins while Jayson Tatum was sidelined for months with an Achilles injury.
Boston Globe

https://x.com/jakeissenberg/status/2071779977759228322

Jaylen liking some thoughtful instagram comments today.

The comment in question says: "Man as a person who can't stand the Celtics I hope they do right by him and trading him to a city who respects him."

I'm done with the JB experience. The petulant "woe is me" attitude because his own ego can't tune out the noise from the media and social media in particular - which, by the way, his own comments and actions have only stoked all season long - is just super frustrating. I think it's best for all parties involved to move on at this point.

Appreciate all he has done for the Celtics, and his jersey very well may end up in the rafters. However, the juice is no longer worth the squeeze in my eyes, regardless if we're discussing the contract issue, his impact on winning games, or all the noise that accompanies him because of his dynamic with JT. Just lean fully into JT moving forward and start *truly* building the team around him.

We obviously screwed the pooch on the Giannis thing - though there were legitimate questions about fit and health there. I'm coming around on the Nuggets idea. Not a huge fan of Murray, but it would be interesting to see JT with a better offensive guard.

I'm still not trading him if the value isn't there in a return. What's he gonna do, be frustrated and sit out? Then good luck getting the extension, because I think the league is also basically saying they don't want to give Jaylen those additional years nor are they willing to give up a ton to get him in trade.

I do agree the analytic comments criticizing Jaylen are way too much and the fact that teams are valuing others like Morant/Lamelo more is a bit asinine, but that's just the harsh reality too. I really can't see Brad just dumping Jaylen for scraps, it can't be that bad, and even if it is, just keep him. If he sits out and continues lashing out in the media, I don't see how that helps his cause in trying to get an extension, either here or somewhere else.

Edit - Just to clarify, if they get "80 cents on the dollar" for Jaylen, I'd still be a bit irked but accept it at this point. What I'm talking about is if a team is offering like a bad contract OR just a mere role player and maybe 2 future picks for Jaylen in trade. THAT would be terrible and not worth it even with his antics. And frankly, now that the Blazers aren't pursuing him idk what is realistic.

It's better to get something out of him than nothing at that point. Whether it's 80 cents for a dollar or 30 cents for a dollar, just make the swing. JB is done with Boston.

And Brad, idk what he thinks of Hugo and Baylor that he can't unload them for Giannis, but those two better be All-Stars this upcoming season. Otherwise this JB/Giannis saga will torpedo the Celtics

It seems like Brad just completely overvalues Jaylen

He wasnt willing to budge on Brown + 2 firsts, and in my opinion its not because he overvalues Hugo or Baylor. Its because he felt Brown + 2 firsts was a much much better offer than it really was.

I really think Brad though that he could get a PG -> Clippers type deal for Jaylen Brown at the drop of that hat. He just appears to have totally misread the market.

I suppose some team can always come in with a moronic offer, but I cant imagine this ending well.

[Neurotic Guy]

League sources said that the Celtics have continued to field calls from teams interested in trading for Brown. A league source said that Brown has grown frustrated with the organization?s approach following a season in which he guided the Celtics to 56 wins while Jayson Tatum was sidelined for months with an Achilles injury.
Boston Globe

https://x.com/jakeissenberg/status/2071779977759228322

Jaylen liking some thoughtful instagram comments today.

The comment in question says: "Man as a person who can't stand the Celtics I hope they do right by him and trading him to a city who respects him."

I'm done with the JB experience. The petulant "woe is me" attitude because his own ego can't tune out the noise from the media and social media in particular - which, by the way, his own comments and actions have only stoked all season long - is just super frustrating. I think it's best for all parties involved to move on at this point.

Appreciate all he has done for the Celtics, and his jersey very well may end up in the rafters. However, the juice is no longer worth the squeeze in my eyes, regardless if we're discussing the contract issue, his impact on winning games, or all the noise that accompanies him because of his dynamic with JT. Just lean fully into JT moving forward and start *truly* building the team around him.

We obviously screwed the pooch on the Giannis thing - though there were legitimate questions about fit and health there. I'm coming around on the Nuggets idea. Not a huge fan of Murray, but it would be interesting to see JT with a better offensive guard.

I'm still not trading him if the value isn't there in a return. What's he gonna do, be frustrated and sit out? Then good luck getting the extension, because I think the league is also basically saying they don't want to give Jaylen those additional years nor are they willing to give up a ton to get him in trade.

I do agree the analytic comments criticizing Jaylen are way too much and the fact that teams are valuing others like Morant/Lamelo more is a bit asinine, but that's just the harsh reality too. I really can't see Brad just dumping Jaylen for scraps, it can't be that bad, and even if it is, just keep him. If he sits out and continues lashing out in the media, I don't see how that helps his cause in trying to get an extension, either here or somewhere else.

Edit - Just to clarify, if they get "80 cents on the dollar" for Jaylen, I'd still be a bit irked but accept it at this point. What I'm talking about is if a team is offering like a bad contract OR just a mere role player and maybe 2 future picks for Jaylen in trade. THAT would be terrible and not worth it even with his antics. And frankly, now that the Blazers aren't pursuing him idk what is realistic.

It's better to get something out of him than nothing at that point. Whether it's 80 cents for a dollar or 30 cents for a dollar, just make the swing. JB is done with Boston.

And Brad, idk what he thinks of Hugo and Baylor that he can't unload them for Giannis, but those two better be All-Stars this upcoming season. Otherwise this JB/Giannis saga will torpedo the Celtics

It seems like Brad just completely overvalues Jaylen

He wasnt willing to budge on Brown + 2 firsts, and in my opinion its not because he overvalues Hugo or Baylor. Its because he felt Brown + 2 firsts was a much much better offer than it really was.

I really think Brad though that he could get a PG -> Clippers type deal for Jaylen Brown at the drop of that hat. He just appears to have totally misread the market.

I suppose some team can always come in with a moronic offer, but I cant imagine this ending well.

We don?t know what Brads final offer actually was to Milwaukee or the nature of the conversations had between the Cs and Bucks. Also don?t know what teams have put on the table to get JB or what they might be willing to pay after free agency plays out. It may be that Brads only received lowball offers or maybe he?s received decent offers and is being patient and not worried about losing the offers and ending up keeping Jaylen.   Maybe Jaylen is perfectly fine returning and realizes that whoever pays him 60M in 2026-27 deserves the best player he can be.   Not a single person on this blog has all the info and actually knows what has happened or what will happen. But from the sounds of people?s convictions I may be the only one who hasn?t a clue what will happen.

[celticinorlando]

While I am done with the JB experience, there is just no interest in him around the league. He is not valued like Brad values him and you cannot give him away.

Let's face it...we are stuck with him and he is stuck in Boston. Need to try to make this a working relationship and both sides need to realize that they are in this position for at least 2 more seasons.

Do not think there will be an extension. But it is disheartening to see Brad make a mess of this. His failure to gauge JB's real value on the open market is concerning.

They are a better team with him than just selling low. Both sides suck it up and move forward.

Focus on the needs of this team...a big and a quick guard.