Time for a change?

[Goldstar88]

The Celtics are the only team in the NBA with two super max contracts. With the new CBA they can?t operate this way. This is the main reason they are moving on from Brown. He is not worth a super max contract.

I wish I could envision a scenario that has the Cs bringing back equal or greater value for JB.
None of the trades here feel right. Giannis was a risk worth taking, but I see nothing else that would be.  Finding ways to supplement the Jays feels like the right path, but I think a trade will happen. And knowing me, it will take about 15 minutes post-trade for me to be psyched about it.

Yeah, that player would have been Giannis, but Brad dropped the ball. Should have given the Bucks Hugo and Baylor. Even an extra first rounder and/or swap. Huge miscalculation by Stevens.

Brown, Hugo, Scheierman, 2026 #1, 2027 #1, 2031 #1?

If Giannis was healthy we may have gotten a short-term boost, but we'd still over have the MLE to improve the team, and we'd havr handcuffed our future.  And, with all that, we probably wouldn't have been title favorites.

That's how you commit franchise suicide.

Queta / Garza / Williams
Giannis / Walsh
Tatum / Hauser
White / Harper
Pritchard / ?

No picks in 2026, 2027, 2029, 2031

What would your plan have been?  We'd be hardcapped at the first apron, so we'd basically have the MLE and minimum contracts to fix the worst bench in the NBA.

They could replace Hugo and Baylor with Vet min players. It?s not like those guys were playing big minutes anyway.  They are deep bench players averaging 4-5pts per game. Also, JB and Giannis make the same amount of money, so I don?t see how it is much different than the current situation. Except for Giannis being a superior player.

[Phantom255x]

I was reading the Cavaliers sites', a lot of their fans would not trade Mobley for Jaylen but would prefer trading Mitchell instead. Seems interesting

[Neurotic Guy]

The Celtics are the only team in the NBA with two super max contracts. With the new CBA they can?t operate this way. This is the main reason they are moving on from Brown. He is not worth a super max contract.

I wish I could envision a scenario that has the Cs bringing back equal or greater value for JB.
None of the trades here feel right. Giannis was a risk worth taking, but I see nothing else that would be.  Finding ways to supplement the Jays feels like the right path, but I think a trade will happen. And knowing me, it will take about 15 minutes post-trade for me to be psyched about it.

Yeah, that player would have been Giannis, but Brad dropped the ball. Should have given the Bucks Hugo and Baylor. Even an extra first rounder and/or swap. Huge miscalculation by Stevens.

I said Giannis was a risk worth taking, but he is a risk.  No, I wouldn't have wanted Brad to go all-in as you've described.  Might have gone Hugo or Scheierman but I don't blame Brad for being cautious.  Giannis' injury history is concerning -- he's 32 with a lot of wear on his tires. I think Brad was right to hold the line.

[Who]

Some Cavs fans thoughts on Mobley & Jaylen

People will poo poo players like [Donovan] Mitchell and [Jaylen] Brown and cry about how they aren't worth the cash when  [Evan] Mobley makes the same or more and gives you less on the court. Off season Mobley is truly the greatest player of all time.

Unpopular opinion in this sub, but I don't like the fit of Mobley and Allen together.

Look at how good Allen played when Mobley was out last year.....I really think there's more growth for Allen and him playing along side Mobley has stunted that.

Bringing in Brown would give us a huge advantage and would also allow Allen to dominate like he's capable of doing.

100% agree that E Mobley has negatively impacted the performance of J Allen. Evan Mobley's bad shooting ability hampers a lot of what CLE do.

So oddly worded lol. I think getting Jaylen would improve our scoring and offensive consistency dramatically but this team is incredibly reliant on leaning on the frontcourt defense, we could end up ironically turning into the Harden Nets who scored a ton but played historically bad defense.

People bring up that he's 30 like he's elderly or something, he's just reaching his apex.

[celticinorlando]

I would prefer Mitchell for Brown. Fixes the backcourt, replaces the scoring you lose with Brown. Great friends with Tatum.

Then trade Sam for a center or sign one on FA.

[DrJasper]

Brown and Hauser for Zion and Murphy. Then trade picks for Myles Turner and absorb him with our trade exception!

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Pritchard-Hugo-Scheiermann-Williams-Queta

If we stay healthy thats a championship team in my opinion

[Jiri Welsch]

The absolute best case scenario for me is that Brown is traded ASAP ? for a package that is headlined by a big man and also adds some guard depth and/or picks in the future.

[Neurotic Guy]

If the C's could swing a deal for Mobley there would be some nice upside. At 25 it changes the picture a bit. JT at 29 and Mobley at 25 (just turned) is a young 'Big 2'.   Lots of time for growth and time for building.  JT-Giannis is basically one shot over the next 2-3 years.  Everyone loved Mobley a few years ago - thought he was a beast in waiting.  He's been very good, but not quite at the level many thought he might be at this point.  The C's have done well developing big and I'm warming to the idea of Q, Mobley, and Amari becoming a force... at least defensively.   Three 7-footers (or thereabouts) is nice - though I wish one was 7'3".  So Mobley brings a present and a future to think about more so than if Brad trades for a 30+.  I do think it would be a step back offensively this season with Mobley but I don't hate the idea at all moving forward. 

I also think Cleveland should be pretty interested in this - JB for Mobley means more time on the court for Allen who was 15/8 in 27 minutes last year.  And I think Mitchell and Brown on the court together will be scary... I don't really want to mention Harden too, but those three can score.  That's 80 ppg in 25-26 for that trio!   

[Neurotic Guy]

I would prefer Mitchell for Brown. Fixes the backcourt, replaces the scoring you lose with Brown. Great friends with Tatum.

Then trade Sam for a center or sign one on FA.

I don't hate the idea of Donovan Mitchell - great scorer.  Obviously we lose defensively with that trade and I can't help feeling a little Kemba Walker reminiscent.  Probably unfair to Mitchell but Kemba was the same age, similar size, and fell pretty fast.

[Goldstar88]

Brown and Hauser for Zion and Murphy. Then trade picks for Myles Turner and absorb him with our trade exception!

White-Murphy-Tatum-Zion-Turner
Pritchard-Hugo-Scheiermann-Williams-Queta

If we stay healthy thats a championship team in my opinion

Yeah, I?d roll the dice on that considering how young Zion and Murphy are. They have not even entered their prime years.

Starters: White, Murphy, Tatum, Zion, sign KP with MLE
Bench: Pritchard, Baylor, Hauser, Hugo, Harper Jr, Queta, Garza

Would need to do load management with Zion and KP, but that is a contender for sure.

[Neurotic Guy]

Brown and Hauser for Zion and Murphy. Then trade picks for Myles Turner and absorb him with our trade exception!

White-Murphy-Tatum-Zion-Turner
Pritchard-Hugo-Scheiermann-Williams-Queta

If we stay healthy thats a championship team in my opinion

Yeah, I?d roll the dice on that considering how young Zion and Murphy are. They have not even entered their prime years.

Starters: White, Murphy, Tatum, Zion, sign KP with MLE
Bench: Pritchard, Baylor, Hauser, Hugo, Harper Jr, Queta, Garza

Would need to do load management with Zion and KP, but that is a contender for sure.

Not sure why you'd trust Zion.  Evidence points pretty clearly to - stay away.  I think everyone sees what could be in Zion, but at this point it would be surprising if he turned things around.

[Donoghus]

Brown and Hauser for Zion and Murphy. Then trade picks for Myles Turner and absorb him with our trade exception!

White-Murphy-Tatum-Zion-Turner
Pritchard-Hugo-Scheiermann-Williams-Queta

If we stay healthy thats a championship team in my opinion

Yeah, I?d roll the dice on that considering how young Zion and Murphy are. They have not even entered their prime years.

Starters: White, Murphy, Tatum, Zion, sign KP with MLE
Bench: Pritchard, Baylor, Hauser, Hugo, Harper Jr, Queta, Garza

Would need to do load management with Zion and KP, but that is a contender for sure.

Not sure why you'd trust Zion.  Evidence points pretty clearly to - stay away.  I think everyone sees what could be in Zion, but at this point it would be surprising if he turned things around.

If you go by the "every other year" theory, he'll give you about 28 games this season. 

[DrJasper]

That's why he's even available right? Otherwise he would be an MVP candidate. Also we would get Murphy aswell to make the gamble worth it in my opinion!

I don't see other trades that turn us into instant contenders like this, i would swing for the fences

[Goldstar88]

Brown and Hauser for Zion and Murphy. Then trade picks for Myles Turner and absorb him with our trade exception!

White-Murphy-Tatum-Zion-Turner
Pritchard-Hugo-Scheiermann-Williams-Queta

If we stay healthy thats a championship team in my opinion

Yeah, I?d roll the dice on that considering how young Zion and Murphy are. They have not even entered their prime years.

Starters: White, Murphy, Tatum, Zion, sign KP with MLE
Bench: Pritchard, Baylor, Hauser, Hugo, Harper Jr, Queta, Garza

Would need to do load management with Zion and KP, but that is a contender for sure.

Not sure why you'd trust Zion.  Evidence points pretty clearly to - stay away.  I think everyone sees what could be in Zion, but at this point it would be surprising if he turned things around.

Everything is a risk, NG. Just look at what happened to Tatum. I would be willing to gamble considering Zions age, the fact that he lost 50lbs and him playing in 61 games last year. He will need to be load managed, though. Just like the Spurs did with Wemby who is also injury prone.

[Donoghus]

I would prefer Mitchell for Brown. Fixes the backcourt, replaces the scoring you lose with Brown. Great friends with Tatum.

Then trade Sam for a center or sign one on FA.

I don't hate the idea of Donovan Mitchell - great scorer.  Obviously we lose defensively with that trade and I can't help feeling a little Kemba Walker reminiscent.  Probably unfair to Mitchell but Kemba was the same age, similar size, and fell pretty fast.

I don't want to be the team handing Mitchell his extension.   That's not going to go well.