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Re: Time for a change?
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Question for cap experts: Can the C's use Vucevic in any way to potentially facilitate a S&T that helps with salary matching?

Like is there a way to give up White, Hauser, 1-2 young players (Baylor and a filler piece) and Vucevic as well on a reasonable extension and send it to MIL for Giannis?

I think the iteration of White/Hauser is still not quite enough for Giannis in terms of money, unless you also add Pritchard which I don't want to do (or if you do, I'd prefer to keep Baylor then). It'd make it easier if possible, but is it possible with Vucevic? What are the cap ramifications and such

I'm not Celtics2021, and I'm sure he will correct me if I'm wrong. AFAIK it is doable under the CBA, but trading a newly signed player would hard cap Milwaukee at the first apron, which is the real penalty. So next season here is our cap situation:

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So as things stand we are $13m below the tax line and $21m below the first apron, with Vuc's $21m off the books. Say we re-sign Vuc for $8m and offer the following package:

White - $30.3m
Hauser - $10.8m
Baylor - $2.8m
Banton - $2.8m
Vuc - $12m (sign and trade)

TOTAL = $58.8m

Giannis = $58m

While the salaries would match, sign and trading Vuc would immediately hard cap Milwaukee at $209m which is the first apron

So adding up all the salaries, it would leave us with a roster of:

Tatum $58m
Giannis $58m
Brown $57m
Pritchard $7m
Gonzales $2.9m
Garza $2.9m
Queta $2.8m
Harper 2.5m
Walsh $2.4m
Williams $2.1m
Shulga $2.1m

11 players at $197m. So to get to 14 players we would have to sign 3 players, vet mis are $2.1m to $3m depending on years of service, because we would have $12m to spend before exceeding the first apron. And we would be over the luxury tax so we wouldn't be able to reset the repeater tax, given big spending coming the following year, we would be paying the repeater tax rate of 425%.

Also keep in mind - having zero trade flexibility with 3 top heavy contracts at $58m, then the next one is PP at $7m, then its all vet mins.

I'm trying to answer your own question without providing my own opinion on it...but I observing how Brad values flexibility, he doesn't want himself tobe hardcapped at any apron, or not have tradeable pieces to adjust the team if something happens like an injury or lack of chemistry (we all saw what Phoenix had to do to get themselves out of having a top heavy balance sheet, not to mention Morey's challenges with Philly. I think If we want Giannis the most likely, and simplest path is to trade Jaylen. Because Milwaukee are going to say, if you want Giannis give us Jaylen, we don't want White/Hauser/Baylor/Vuc/Banton, espcially if it's going to hard-cap us in what is basically a salary dump of Vuc. You want someone good you gotta give up someone good  :police:

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Re: Time for a change?
« Reply #106 on: Today at 10:39:29 AM »

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Really interesting presser from Brad. Brutally honest.

I expected him to say they are close, he likes his team...the whole stay the course but he did not. Said Boston struggles to generate good looks on offense.

He was the opposite. Felt like Brad realized they are not good enough as is. Said they need to add to the team. Talked about their record vs the elite teams in the league.

I think after hearing that presser we might see some moves like we did after 2023.
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I'm old enough to know when a  player says things like Brown, it's time to move on when you have some leverage.
Given we're still one year from going all in(If I'm understanding the cap right) then it's better to let the saying "better trade a year too early than a year too late" be the philosophy that guides Brad.

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« Reply #108 on: Today at 11:02:39 AM »

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I'm old enough to know when a  player says things like Brown, it's time to move on when you have some leverage.
Given we're still one year from going all in(If I'm understanding the cap right) then it's better to let the saying "better trade a year too early than a year too late" be the philosophy that guides Brad.
he is already too late. He should have done it last summer and properly tanked this year with the really good draft. 
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Brad:

"Dunks, layups, and FTs are better than 3-pointers but Celtics aren't not able to generate these."

Hmmm...I wonder who could help get you more dunks, FTS and lay ups...

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« Reply #110 on: Today at 11:22:01 AM »

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Really interesting presser from Brad. Brutally honest.

I expected him to say they are close, he likes his team...the whole stay the course but he did not. Said Boston struggles to generate good looks on offense.

He was the opposite. Felt like Brad realized they are not good enough as is. Said they need to add to the team. Talked about their record vs the elite teams in the league.

I think after hearing that presser we might see some moves like we did after 2023.

I don't think that means anything. Tatum was out for 75-80% of the season. Of course their record against stronger teams isn't going to be good this year.

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Really interesting presser from Brad. Brutally honest.

I expected him to say they are close, he likes his team...the whole stay the course but he did not. Said Boston struggles to generate good looks on offense.

He was the opposite. Felt like Brad realized they are not good enough as is. Said they need to add to the team. Talked about their record vs the elite teams in the league.

I think after hearing that presser we might see some moves like we did after 2023.

I don't think that means anything. Tatum was out for 75-80% of the season. Of course their record against stronger teams isn't going to be good this year.

He talked about it in depth. Added that the league this year had a lot of teams playing for draft picks and next year the league will be much better.

Sounded like he knows his team just is not good enough.

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Really interesting presser from Brad. Brutally honest.

I expected him to say they are close, he likes his team...the whole stay the course but he did not. Said Boston struggles to generate good looks on offense.

He was the opposite. Felt like Brad realized they are not good enough as is. Said they need to add to the team. Talked about their record vs the elite teams in the league.

I think after hearing that presser we might see some moves like we did after 2023.

The things I got from this press conference, what Stevens said and how interpret this:

  • When asked about Vucevic he said that he was a great lockerroom guy, professional and did his best = he'll absolutely not return
  • About Queta he said that he struggled to stay on the floor, but came back stong in game 7 which he can use to build on = very unlikely to be traded, there's faith in him
  • Also when asked about minutes for individual players (Hugo), he said he draws a firm line between him as a GM and coaching territory, besides the obvious ones in Jayson, Jaylen, Derrick and Payton = Pritchard is regarded as a star player
  • Multiple times he addressed the issue of generating good shots as a problem of the last couple of years, including the championship year = unsatisfied with the driving and playmaking ability of the core Tatum-Brown-White-Pritchard-Hauser
  • A lot of emphasis on our record against top teams, the amount of tanking teams and that we'll see what this team is made of next year = not impressed with the regular season record as an indicator we're close

Overall conclusion is that Stevens and his staff will definitely be looking for big moves. This is not about making some small adjustment on the back-end of the roster. No the remaining core Tatum-Brown-White-Pritchard-Hauser of the last three years (with Holiday, Horford and Porzingis already gone) is not safe.

More to that, between the lines I heard some praise for Pritchard who's probably higher regarded internally than externally. And the criticism does not apply to Hauser, who doesn't take a lot of bad shots or is much responsible for generating shots.

So I think we can expect that at the start of the new season one or two guys of Tatum/Brown/White will be gone. Of course Stevens will not make trades just for the sake of it without realizing what we have, but he hasn't been afraid to make big decisions. And despite his clear cut conclusion that we're not close enough now, he did praise the coaching staff and the broad development of the young players and also said the focus is on winning.