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Re: NBA Free Agency 2024
« Reply #585 on: July 08, 2024, 03:01:37 PM »

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Allen, LeVert, Jerome

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Ingram, Missi, Alvarado

Cavs - Garland, Mitchell, Ingram, Wade, Mobley, Alvarado, Strus, Okoro, Niang, Tyson, Missi

Pelicans - Murray, McCollum, Jones, Zion, Allen, Murphy, LeVert, Hawkins, Ryan, Jerome
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Re: NBA Free Agency 2024
« Reply #586 on: July 08, 2024, 03:16:03 PM »

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Allen, LeVert, Jerome

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Ingram, Missi, Alvarado

Cavs - Garland, Mitchell, Ingram, Wade, Mobley, Alvarado, Strus, Okoro, Niang, Tyson, Missi

Pelicans - Murray, McCollum, Jones, Zion, Allen, Murphy, LeVert, Hawkins, Ryan, Jerome
Great trade for Pelicans, good for Cavs but depends if Mobley can handle the center position
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« Reply #587 on: July 08, 2024, 03:38:35 PM »

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Allen, LeVert, Jerome

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Ingram, Missi, Alvarado

Cavs - Garland, Mitchell, Ingram, Wade, Mobley, Alvarado, Strus, Okoro, Niang, Tyson, Missi

Pelicans - Murray, McCollum, Jones, Zion, Allen, Murphy, LeVert, Hawkins, Ryan, Jerome
Great trade for Pelicans, good for Cavs but depends if Mobley can handle the center position

That doesn't leave a lot of size for the Cavs.

The main critique I have of Ingram is how slow he plays. He catches the ball and waits a second or two every time, like he's going into iso-ball. That would not jive well with Mitchell and Garland, who both excel at ball movement, creating advantages, attacking closeouts, and going quickly.

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« Reply #588 on: July 08, 2024, 04:31:01 PM »

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This is key: By remaining under second apron (which the Heat strongly wants to do), Miami can aggregate players in any trade through next June. They couldn't if they were above the 2nd apron. So they can do 3 for 2 deals for 2 or 3 or whatever but CANNOT take more money back

I saw another tweet that said Miami does not have the cap room to sign a 15th player without going above the 2nd apron. So they are probably done in the FA market.

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« Reply #589 on: July 08, 2024, 05:22:50 PM »

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Allen, LeVert, Jerome

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Cavs - Garland, Mitchell, Ingram, Wade, Mobley, Alvarado, Strus, Okoro, Niang, Tyson, Missi

Pelicans - Murray, McCollum, Jones, Zion, Allen, Murphy, LeVert, Hawkins, Ryan, Jerome

This deal makes some sense, its just that Ingram is kind of a tough fit. He's an okay defender, not terrible, but not really a guy you feel great putting on a teams bets offensive option. And he's not a high volume three point shooter, only taking about 4.1 per 36 last year. Both of those are skills you'd like to have next to Mitchell/Garland.

But that's sort of the problem with Ingram. The things he's good at like on ball offensive certain he's not really good enough at to be the #1 option on a good team, and he doesn't have those secondary skills to be an elite #2 option.
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Re: NBA Free Agency 2024
« Reply #590 on: July 08, 2024, 07:08:40 PM »

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It's important to note that main point stated in Riley press conference was games missed; there was no concession that talent is lacking. At its heart, Heat believes it has a real good team that just needs to stay healthy (based on 3 long playoff runs in 5 years).

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« Reply #591 on: July 08, 2024, 07:12:49 PM »

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It's important to note that main point stated in Riley press conference was games missed; there was no concession that talent is lacking. At its heart, Heat believes it has a real good team that just needs to stay healthy (based on 3 long playoff runs in 5 years).

He's not wrong. But I also think he's taking a bit of a shot at Butler. Riley did have critical comments about him when Butler said "NY and Boston would both lose if he was playing" and Riley literally said "if you aren't playing, you shouldn't be saying that". Butler has sort of load managed in previous seasons and last year in particular it hurt them because they only got to a play-in and lost early. Then there's some tension about the contract extension talks.

Obviously if someone gets hurt for real that's different, but Riley seems to be saying up front "if you're available, then you're playing" and especially to Butler.
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« Reply #592 on: July 08, 2024, 07:14:59 PM »

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It's important to note that main point stated in Riley press conference was games missed; there was no concession that talent is lacking. At its heart, Heat believes it has a real good team that just needs to stay healthy (based on 3 long playoff runs in 5 years).

Riley and that front office has got to be delusional to really believe that.


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« Reply #593 on: July 09, 2024, 01:36:56 AM »

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Looks like Spurs did Barnes trade and CP signing without cutting Champagnie; unless CP took a paycut, that would seem to indicate that Barnes waived his trade kicker.

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« Reply #594 on: July 09, 2024, 07:00:51 AM »

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Theis to the Pelicans.

Signed with the Pacers.

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« Reply #595 on: July 09, 2024, 07:16:07 AM »

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Theis to the Pelicans.

Signed with the Pacers.

"JULY 8 DANIEL THEIS SIGNS CONTRACT According to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, former Indiana Pacers center Daniel Theis signed a one-year deal with the New Orleans Pelicans. Theis ended the 2023-2024 season with the Los Angeles Clippers."

Read your quote again.  They stuck three teams in that blurb, but he signed with NOP.


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« Reply #596 on: July 09, 2024, 10:19:16 AM »

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Allen, LeVert, Jerome

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Cavs - Garland, Mitchell, Ingram, Wade, Mobley, Alvarado, Strus, Okoro, Niang, Tyson, Missi

Pelicans - Murray, McCollum, Jones, Zion, Allen, Murphy, LeVert, Hawkins, Ryan, Jerome

This deal makes some sense, its just that Ingram is kind of a tough fit. He's an okay defender, not terrible, but not really a guy you feel great putting on a teams bets offensive option. And he's not a high volume three point shooter, only taking about 4.1 per 36 last year. Both of those are skills you'd like to have next to Mitchell/Garland.

But that's sort of the problem with Ingram. The things he's good at like on ball offensive certain he's not really good enough at to be the #1 option on a good team, and he doesn't have those secondary skills to be an elite #2 option.
Ingram has had seasons over 6.5 3's per 36 and those were his best shooting seasons.  He is a solid passer. So he has some secondary skills. The real question is, can he function in a role where he has the ball less and is more complimentary. The skills are there to do so. It would be a risk for the Cavs, but I think it is a risk worth taking for them as they need to do something and there isn't much else out there.
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« Reply #597 on: July 09, 2024, 12:13:49 PM »

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It's important to note that main point stated in Riley press conference was games missed; there was no concession that talent is lacking. At its heart, Heat believes it has a real good team that just needs to stay healthy (based on 3 long playoff runs in 5 years).

He's not wrong. But I also think he's taking a bit of a shot at Butler. Riley did have critical comments about him when Butler said "NY and Boston would both lose if he was playing" and Riley literally said "if you aren't playing, you shouldn't be saying that". Butler has sort of load managed in previous seasons and last year in particular it hurt them because they only got to a play-in and lost early. Then there's some tension about the contract extension talks.

Obviously if someone gets hurt for real that's different, but Riley seems to be saying up front "if you're available, then you're playing" and especially to Butler.

I mean he is wrong. They don?t have enough talent to compete with other healthy teams in the East if the other teams are also healthy. They squeaked by us the season before last but have lost a number of key contributors from that series in struss, Vincent and now Martin. They have added Vazquez and rozier since then but hard to call that much more than a wash. The other problem is butler is now two years older and they are big years. The amount of players that are capable of carrying a team at 33 versus 35 is a huge difference. This isn?t even bringing up the fact how much other teams have improved in this time like the Knicks Celtics and Philly. So yeah if he thinks they have enough he is delusional

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« Reply #598 on: July 09, 2024, 12:50:51 PM »

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It's important to note that main point stated in Riley press conference was games missed; there was no concession that talent is lacking. At its heart, Heat believes it has a real good team that just needs to stay healthy (based on 3 long playoff runs in 5 years).

He's not wrong. But I also think he's taking a bit of a shot at Butler. Riley did have critical comments about him when Butler said "NY and Boston would both lose if he was playing" and Riley literally said "if you aren't playing, you shouldn't be saying that". Butler has sort of load managed in previous seasons and last year in particular it hurt them because they only got to a play-in and lost early. Then there's some tension about the contract extension talks.

Obviously if someone gets hurt for real that's different, but Riley seems to be saying up front "if you're available, then you're playing" and especially to Butler.

I mean he is wrong. They don?t have enough talent to compete with other healthy teams in the East if the other teams are also healthy. They squeaked by us the season before last but have lost a number of key contributors from that series in struss, Vincent and now Martin. They have added Vazquez and rozier since then but hard to call that much more than a wash. The other problem is butler is now two years older and they are big years. The amount of players that are capable of carrying a team at 33 versus 35 is a huge difference. This isn?t even bringing up the fact how much other teams have improved in this time like the Knicks Celtics and Philly. So yeah if he thinks they have enough he is delusional

Meh. A lot of above average players.

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« Reply #599 on: July 09, 2024, 12:52:15 PM »

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Rondae Hollis-Jefferson has been out of the NBA for three seasons already. Playing for various teams internationally, the 29-year-old forward wants another shot to play in the biggest league in the world.

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The player feels he has the skill to play in the NBA once again, and he just doesn't get the chance. Hollis-Jefferson published a lengthy post on X, formerly Twitter, where he explained his position:

I was going to let it slide and play out the way it's supposed to but there's no way I can sit back and let people discredit all the work I've put in. Mentally, physically, and skillfully. My game has evolved in many ways while still having the tools that got me to the NBA. I'm confused as to why I can't get an opportunity? OK, I made mistakes at 24 that I wouldn't make at 30. But that's life, you learn from those mistakes. I'm not asking for anything other than a chance. Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline., I'll sleep in the gym.

You can't say it's just the shooting component anymore. There are 3/4 players on almost every team that can't make a shot outside of the paint. But it's not about just shooting if you want to win. I can come off the bench and give any team a spark.

I always loved his defense, rebounding, hustle & athleticism. If he can shoot now, he is a definite NBA player. Maybe even a starter in the NBA. Certainly a rotation player.

I would love to see a team give him another shot.