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[keevsnick]

I really like Jackson. I think he's the type and age of player the Celtics should be able to go all in on. All defensive type talent with elite outside shooting ability? Sounds like a great fit.

I get it, he's not a great rebounder. But the C's have gotten by just fine with "not great" rebounders at center like Horford or Porzingis. You put Jackson out there with Tatum/Brown/White on the wing and you could have an absolutely elite offense and defense.

The big downside here is money. He makes only 35 million this year but jumps to 50 million next year. Not sure that's a sustainable price point. 

[Vermont Green]

Would people be willing to do something like:

Simons, Hugo, Walsh, plus picks
for
Jackson

Another pathway could be White to another team, like HOU, and young players and picks from HOU (and likely BOS) to MEM.

You realize Jackson makes $49 million next year?  We cannot afford him.  Your trade puts us over the second apron next year and with four roster spots to fill.

I did not realize that his salary jumped up like that. Yeah, that makes a trade tough.  So is this a BYC contract?  It seems it is not in terms of trade value.  Not sure I understand why.

It is a 140% extension (the CBA upped it from 120%), if that is what you mean by base-year compensation.

Base Year contracts count as one value outgoing and a higher value as the incoming.  This contract did not appear to be adjusted in that way.  So if he is $35M (or whatever) this season and then $47M next, does he still count only as $35M incoming in a trade or does it go up to a higher value?

Oh, that is not what base-year contracts are.  The base-year compensation rule applies to free agent s&t deals.  The outgoing salary was only counted up to 120% of the player's prior salary (I don't know if that's still the percentage or if it was upped to 140%).  What you are referring to is for salary jumps before a new extension kicks in.  That rule is only for rookie-deal extensions, since you can have players going from making $5 million a year one season to a max deal the next.  When a player who has signed a rookie extension is traded before the extension kicks in, the outgoing salary is whatever that year's salary is, but the incoming is treated as the average salary of that year plus all the seasons of the extension.  But again, that is only for players who were extended prior to their fourth year of their 1st round rookie contract.  Jackson signed a veteran extension this summer, so his only restriction is not being traded for 6 months, which ended this week.

Got it, thanks.  But yes, the issue is he makes $35M this season but jumps up to $49M next (which I did not catch until you pointed it out).  BOS could make the $35M work, but once it jumps to $49M, it would become a major problem.

I think the only way would be if they traded White, and even then, BOS would have 3 very large contracts eating up a lot of cap/apron space.  Can't see how they make that work.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Would people be willing to do something like:

Simons, Hugo, Walsh, plus picks
for
Jackson

Another pathway could be White to another team, like HOU, and young players and picks from HOU (and likely BOS) to MEM.

You realize Jackson makes $49 million next year?  We cannot afford him.  Your trade puts us over the second apron next year and with four roster spots to fill.

I did not realize that his salary jumped up like that. Yeah, that makes a trade tough.  So is this a BYC contract?  It seems it is not in terms of trade value.  Not sure I understand why.

It is a 140% extension (the CBA upped it from 120%), if that is what you mean by base-year compensation.

Base Year contracts count as one value outgoing and a higher value as the incoming.  This contract did not appear to be adjusted in that way.  So if he is $35M (or whatever) this season and then $47M next, does he still count only as $35M incoming in a trade or does it go up to a higher value?

Oh, that is not what base-year contracts are.  The base-year compensation rule applies to free agent s&t deals.  The outgoing salary was only counted up to 120% of the player's prior salary (I don't know if that's still the percentage or if it was upped to 140%).  What you are referring to is for salary jumps before a new extension kicks in.  That rule is only for rookie-deal extensions, since you can have players going from making $5 million a year one season to a max deal the next.  When a player who has signed a rookie extension is traded before the extension kicks in, the outgoing salary is whatever that year's salary is, but the incoming is treated as the average salary of that year plus all the seasons of the extension.  But again, that is only for players who were extended prior to their fourth year of their 1st round rookie contract.  Jackson signed a veteran extension this summer, so his only restriction is not being traded for 6 months, which ended this week.

Got it, thanks.  But yes, the issue is he makes $35M this season but jumps up to $49M next (which I did not catch until you pointed it out).  BOS could make the $35M work, but once it jumps to $49M, it would become a major problem.

I think the only way would be if they traded White, and even then, BOS would have 3 very large contracts eating up a lot of cap/apron space.  Can't see how they make that work.

Depends on if the new owner is willing to spend for a contender.

If they can get out to the first apron as part of the trade (hard but doable), it would reset the apron penalties. That would give us a 2-3 year window with White-Brown-Tatum-Jackson

[Goldstar88]

JUST SAY YES!

Proposed Trade Details

Boston Celtics Receive: Jaren Jackson Jr.

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: Anfernee Simons, Sam Hauser, 2031 first-round pick

Memphis says no. Bane netted them 4 firsts and a swap.

just because Orlando ridiculously overpaid for Bane doesn't mean there's another franchise that will or more importantly, that Boston will.

It?s not just Bane. Mikhal Bridges netted 5 first round picks and a swap. These guys are setting the market. Thinking you can get JJJ for spare parts and 1 first is fantasy land.

[Goldstar88]

Jaylen Brown on officiating: They just pick and choose who they like to call it on...there's an agenda where some guys get calls and others don't.


Brown said he has studied officiating so that he knows where refs are supposed to be and who?s supposed to make each call. He said he has also studied all the players who get to the free-throw line the most. It bothers him that he feels like he doesn?t get the same whistle as those guys. I do the same things that they do, Brown said. They just pick and choose who they like to call it on. That?s the part that p---es me off. It should just be everybody should just get reffed evenly and consistently, but it just seems like there?s an agenda where some guys they choose to call certain fouls for, some guys they don?t. So I don?t know what goes into that decision-making, but it?s kind of clear that certain guys on certain teams, certain markets or certain profiles get preferential treatment versus others when it should just be basketball.

I think the analytics show that our team is dead last (in free-throw attempts), Brown said. And it feels like inconsistencies as well. So I want them to hopefully they put some time in and review it. But I feel like defenders and stuff are getting away with a lot, and it makes my job a lot harder.
New York Times

[slamtheking]

JUST SAY YES!

Proposed Trade Details

Boston Celtics Receive: Jaren Jackson Jr.

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: Anfernee Simons, Sam Hauser, 2031 first-round pick

Memphis says no. Bane netted them 4 firsts and a swap.

just because Orlando ridiculously overpaid for Bane doesn't mean there's another franchise that will or more importantly, that Boston will.

It?s not just Bane. Mikhal Bridges netted 5 first round picks and a swap. These guys are setting the market. Thinking you can get JJJ for spare parts and 1 first is fantasy land.

several dumb overpayments by badly run clubs does not mean the C's should do something just as dumb.

[Goldstar88]

JUST SAY YES!

Proposed Trade Details

Boston Celtics Receive: Jaren Jackson Jr.

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: Anfernee Simons, Sam Hauser, 2031 first-round pick

Memphis says no. Bane netted them 4 firsts and a swap.

just because Orlando ridiculously overpaid for Bane doesn't mean there's another franchise that will or more importantly, that Boston will.

It?s not just Bane. Mikhal Bridges netted 5 first round picks and a swap. These guys are setting the market. Thinking you can get JJJ for spare parts and 1 first is fantasy land.

several dumb overpayments by badly run clubs does not mean the C's should do something just as dumb.

You?re right, Brad shouldn?t. Memphis also shouldn?t accept a trash offer for their best player.