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[boscel33]

Would people be willing to do something like:

Simons, Hugo, Walsh, plus picks
for
Jackson

Another pathway could be White to another team, like HOU, and young players and picks from HOU (and likely BOS) to MEM.

IMO, need to keep Hugo out of deals.  We don't have a lot of developmental talent since we've missed on Walsh and Baylor.

[Birdman]

If Memphis goes into a full rebuild, they probably going trade Morant & Jackson, I would trade picks & Hugo for Jackson but is he a FA at year end?

[Neurotic Guy]

Would people be willing to do something like:

Simons, Hugo, Walsh, plus picks
for
Jackson

Another pathway could be White to another team, like HOU, and young players and picks from HOU (and likely BOS) to MEM.

IMO, need to keep Hugo out of deals.  We don't have a lot of developmental talent since we've missed on Walsh and Baylor.

I agree that keeping Hugo is important, but have to keep an open mind if he plus Simons can deliver a player who can put the Cs into legit contention over the next few years.

I don?t really see either Baylor or Walsh as missed. Baylor may well be a decent end of rotation player. Walsh is still a prospect at 21 and has shown some very promising signs this year.

[Vermont Green]

Would people be willing to do something like:

Simons, Hugo, Walsh, plus picks
for
Jackson

Another pathway could be White to another team, like HOU, and young players and picks from HOU (and likely BOS) to MEM.

You realize Jackson makes $49 million next year?  We cannot afford him.  Your trade puts us over the second apron next year and with four roster spots to fill.

I did not realize that his salary jumped up like that. Yeah, that makes a trade tough.  So is this a BYC contract?  It seems it is not in terms of trade value.  Not sure I understand why.

It is a 140% extension (the CBA upped it from 120%), if that is what you mean by base-year compensation.

Base Year contracts count as one value outgoing and a higher value as the incoming.  This contract did not appear to be adjusted in that way.  So if he is $35M (or whatever) this season and then $47M next, does he still count only as $35M incoming in a trade or does it go up to a higher value?

[Celtics2021]

Would people be willing to do something like:

Simons, Hugo, Walsh, plus picks
for
Jackson

Another pathway could be White to another team, like HOU, and young players and picks from HOU (and likely BOS) to MEM.

You realize Jackson makes $49 million next year?  We cannot afford him.  Your trade puts us over the second apron next year and with four roster spots to fill.

I did not realize that his salary jumped up like that. Yeah, that makes a trade tough.  So is this a BYC contract?  It seems it is not in terms of trade value.  Not sure I understand why.

It is a 140% extension (the CBA upped it from 120%), if that is what you mean by base-year compensation.

Base Year contracts count as one value outgoing and a higher value as the incoming.  This contract did not appear to be adjusted in that way.  So if he is $35M (or whatever) this season and then $47M next, does he still count only as $35M incoming in a trade or does it go up to a higher value?

Oh, that is not what base-year contracts are.  The base-year compensation rule applies to free agent s&t deals.  The outgoing salary was only counted up to 120% of the player?s prior salary (I don?t know if that?s still the percentage or if it was upped to 140%).  What you are referring to is for salary jumps before a new extension kicks in.  That rule is only for rookie-deal extensions, since you can have players going from making $5 million a year one season to a max deal the next.  When a player who has signed a rookie extension is traded before the extension kicks in, the outgoing salary is whatever that year?s salary is, but the incoming is treated as the average salary of that year plus all the seasons of the extension.  But again, that is only for players who were extended prior to their fourth year of their 1st round rookie contract.  Jackson signed a veteran extension this summer, so his only restriction is not being traded for 6 months, which ended this week.

[boscel33]

Would people be willing to do something like:

Simons, Hugo, Walsh, plus picks
for
Jackson

Another pathway could be White to another team, like HOU, and young players and picks from HOU (and likely BOS) to MEM.

IMO, need to keep Hugo out of deals.  We don't have a lot of developmental talent since we've missed on Walsh and Baylor.

I agree that keeping Hugo is important, but have to keep an open mind if he plus Simons can deliver a player who can put the Cs into legit contention over the next few years.

I don?t really see either Baylor or Walsh as missed. Baylor may well be a decent end of rotation player. Walsh is still a prospect at 21 and has shown some very promising signs this year.

Simons, Hauser, and picks for Jackson works.

[Goldstar88]

Would people be willing to do something like:

Simons, Hugo, Walsh, plus picks
for
Jackson

Another pathway could be White to another team, like HOU, and young players and picks from HOU (and likely BOS) to MEM.

IMO, need to keep Hugo out of deals.  We don't have a lot of developmental talent since we've missed on Walsh and Baylor.

I agree that keeping Hugo is important, but have to keep an open mind if he plus Simons can deliver a player who can put the Cs into legit contention over the next few years.

I don?t really see either Baylor or Walsh as missed. Baylor may well be a decent end of rotation player. Walsh is still a prospect at 21 and has shown some very promising signs this year.

Simons, Hauser, and picks for Jackson works.

Why would Memphis ever make that trade. Are the Cs giving up 5 first rounders? Bane got them 4 and a pick swap.

[Neurotic Guy]

Would people be willing to do something like:

Simons, Hugo, Walsh, plus picks
for
Jackson

Another pathway could be White to another team, like HOU, and young players and picks from HOU (and likely BOS) to MEM.

IMO, need to keep Hugo out of deals.  We don't have a lot of developmental talent since we've missed on Walsh and Baylor.

I agree that keeping Hugo is important, but have to keep an open mind if he plus Simons can deliver a player who can put the Cs into legit contention over the next few years.

I don?t really see either Baylor or Walsh as missed. Baylor may well be a decent end of rotation player. Walsh is still a prospect at 21 and has shown some very promising signs this year.

Simons, Hauser, and picks for Jackson works.

Talent-wise thst sounds great to me. Picking up another 50M salary doesn?t sound so good. 

[Roy H.]

Would people be willing to do something like:

Simons, Hugo, Walsh, plus picks
for
Jackson

Another pathway could be White to another team, like HOU, and young players and picks from HOU (and likely BOS) to MEM.

IMO, need to keep Hugo out of deals.  We don't have a lot of developmental talent since we've missed on Walsh and Baylor.

I agree that keeping Hugo is important, but have to keep an open mind if he plus Simons can deliver a player who can put the Cs into legit contention over the next few years.

I don?t really see either Baylor or Walsh as missed. Baylor may well be a decent end of rotation player. Walsh is still a prospect at 21 and has shown some very promising signs this year.

Simons, Hauser, and picks for Jackson works.

Talent-wise thst sounds great to me. Picking up another 50M salary doesn?t sound so good.

Yeah.  I don't think Jackson is realistic, and I don't think the team really wants to add another huge chunk salary.  But, theoretically, right now we're projected to be $42.45 million below the second apron next season.  If we sent out Hauser and next year's draft pick, we could fit Jackson's $49.0 million salary and have a whopping $4,302,215 to fill out the roster.

So...

Jackson / Queta
Tatum / Garza / Minott
Brown / Walsh
White / Scheierman
Pritchard / Hugo

We'd have to fill out the roster with guys making the rookie minimum in order to stay below the second apron.

For a GM who has said he craves flexibility, that's probably not the way to go.

[slamtheking]

Would people be willing to do something like:

Simons, Hugo, Walsh, plus picks
for
Jackson

Another pathway could be White to another team, like HOU, and young players and picks from HOU (and likely BOS) to MEM.

IMO, need to keep Hugo out of deals.  We don't have a lot of developmental talent since we've missed on Walsh and Baylor.

I agree that keeping Hugo is important, but have to keep an open mind if he plus Simons can deliver a player who can put the Cs into legit contention over the next few years.

I don?t really see either Baylor or Walsh as missed. Baylor may well be a decent end of rotation player. Walsh is still a prospect at 21 and has shown some very promising signs this year.

Simons, Hauser, and picks for Jackson works.

Talent-wise thst sounds great to me. Picking up another 50M salary doesn?t sound so good.

how so?

he's a talented player that I would certainly like to add to the C's but an honest assessment of his skills are that he's a very good defensive frontcourt player that can block a lot of shots.  he's solid offensively - can avg 20 points a game and has to be respected at the 3-point line.  He's not much of a rebounder and turns the ball over more than he gets an assist.  He's more of a PF than a Center though could probably function as a smallball center for limited minutes if needed.

for me, I want someone who's a better rebounder (and honestly more of a scorer) if we're giving up pretty much all of our assets in a trade

OR IN SHORT
we don't have a wealth of first round picks or talented players that are expendable so if we're going to use up what little we have in assets to acquire a player, they need to be a really, really good player that will make a big difference every game and for me, Jackson isn't at that level

[Roy H.]

Would people be willing to do something like:

Simons, Hugo, Walsh, plus picks
for
Jackson

Another pathway could be White to another team, like HOU, and young players and picks from HOU (and likely BOS) to MEM.

IMO, need to keep Hugo out of deals.  We don't have a lot of developmental talent since we've missed on Walsh and Baylor.

I agree that keeping Hugo is important, but have to keep an open mind if he plus Simons can deliver a player who can put the Cs into legit contention over the next few years.

I don?t really see either Baylor or Walsh as missed. Baylor may well be a decent end of rotation player. Walsh is still a prospect at 21 and has shown some very promising signs this year.

Simons, Hauser, and picks for Jackson works.

Talent-wise thst sounds great to me. Picking up another 50M salary doesn?t sound so good.

how so?

he's a talented player that I would certainly like to add to the C's but an honest assessment of his skills are that he's a very good defensive frontcourt player that can block a lot of shots.  he's solid offensively - can avg 20 points a game and has to be respected at the 3-point line.  He's not much of a rebounder and turns the ball over more than he gets an assist.  He's more of a PF than a Center though could probably function as a smallball center for limited minutes if needed.

for me, I want someone who's a better rebounder (and honestly more of a scorer) if we're giving up pretty much all of our assets in a trade

OR IN SHORT
we don't have a wealth of first round picks or talented players that are expendable so if we're going to use up what little we have in assets to acquire a player, they need to be a really, really good player that will make a big difference every game and for me, Jackson isn't at that level

I think Jackson is the type of player that is worth giving up multiple firsts for in terms of talent.  Your concerns about rebounding are legitimate, but there aren't a lot of bigs who are elite defensively that can also give you 18 points and spread the floor.  He would instantly improve both our defense and our offense.

The problem is his salary.  Teams just can't carry three guys in the $50 million range. 

[boscel33]

JUST SAY YES!

Proposed Trade Details

Boston Celtics Receive: Jaren Jackson Jr.

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: Anfernee Simons, Sam Hauser, 2031 first-round pick

[Goldstar88]

JUST SAY YES!

Proposed Trade Details

Boston Celtics Receive: Jaren Jackson Jr.

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: Anfernee Simons, Sam Hauser, 2031 first-round pick

Memphis says no. Bane netted them 4 firsts and a swap.

[slamtheking]

JUST SAY YES!

Proposed Trade Details

Boston Celtics Receive: Jaren Jackson Jr.

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: Anfernee Simons, Sam Hauser, 2031 first-round pick

Memphis says no. Bane netted them 4 firsts and a swap.

just because Orlando ridiculously overpaid for Bane doesn't mean there's another franchise that will or more importantly, that Boston will.

[Celtics4ever]

I think Jackson is the type of player that is worth giving up multiple firsts for in terms of talent.  Your concerns about rebounding are legitimate, but there aren't a lot of bigs who are elite defensively that can also give you 18 points and spread the floor

I want to check some of these posts, not Roy's, and see if any of these guys shooting this down wanted Myles Turner.  I think Jackson while in the same stratosphere in terms of rebounds.  But Jackson scores a lot more and three years younger.  He is a better defender with a 112.6 def rating and he gets the same amount of blocks.  Myles is a 115.6 def rating.

I doubt we do it, with with him Tatum and Nemi, we would be huge at times and it adds a ton of flexibility to our lineups. It will take 2 1sts at a minimum.   But we are not drafting a guy that good I wager, given our picks.   I do not want to include Hugo if possible.