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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #780 on: December 31, 2024, 10:40:58 AM »

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They have to have a playable wing off the bench...esp with guys hurt and Hauser sucking. Walsh isn't it.

Trade Springer.

I think the primary reason to trade Springer is that we could then afford to bring in a couple of free agents / buyouts.  You go from a guy giving you nothing to a couple of guys that give you slightly more than nothing.

The only quasi-impact player I can think of that we could trade Springer for, salary wise, is Walker Kessler.  He seemingly would cost at least two #1s.

I think I get what you are saying but your math doesn't work.  If we trade Springer for Kessler, it doesn't free up much money.  Certainly not enough money to cover the cost of a couple of free agents.

Kessler would certainly be more useful than Springer though, but is it worth 2 firsts, or even 1 first?  I would probably be down for trading Springer + 1 first for Kessler and then signing Lonnie Walker.  But if you wanted to sign a couple of FA, you would have to dump Tillman too (which you would probably want to do if you brought in Kessler).  Or maybe you trade Queta for a 2nd or something to cut some salary and open up a roster spot.

Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #781 on: December 31, 2024, 10:49:08 AM »

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They have to have a playable wing off the bench...esp with guys hurt and Hauser sucking. Walsh isn't it.

Trade Springer.

I think the primary reason to trade Springer is that we could then afford to bring in a couple of free agents / buyouts.  You go from a guy giving you nothing to a couple of guys that give you slightly more than nothing.

The only quasi-impact player I can think of that we could trade Springer for, salary wise, is Walker Kessler.  He seemingly would cost at least two #1s.

I think I get what you are saying but your math doesn't work.  If we trade Springer for Kessler, it doesn't free up much money.  Certainly not enough money to cover the cost of a couple of free agents.

Kessler would certainly be more useful than Springer though, but is it worth 2 firsts, or even 1 first?  I would probably be down for trading Springer + 1 first for Kessler and then signing Lonnie Walker.  But if you wanted to sign a couple of FA, you would have to dump Tillman too (which you would probably want to do if you brought in Kessler).  Or maybe you trade Queta for a 2nd or something to cut some salary and open up a roster spot.

Two different thoughts combined into the same post.

My overall point would be, nobody should get their hopes up that Springer will land us a decent player.  Outside of Kessler, most trades would simply be a salary dump to allow us to sign one or two new players.


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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #782 on: January 02, 2025, 02:39:06 PM »

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Tatum third in ASG voting. 

Giannis having 300k more votes than Jokic is a mystery to me.


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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #783 on: January 02, 2025, 02:50:53 PM »

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Tatum third in ASG voting. 

Giannis having 300k more votes than Jokic is a mystery to me.

Interesting.  Yes, you would think that Jokic would be on every ballot.  Also interesting is that Poole and Herro have more votes than Derrick White.

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« Reply #784 on: January 02, 2025, 03:52:27 PM »

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Banchero is an All-Star player BUT for this year he's only played 5 games this season, yet he's 4th lol

White should be higher but realistically the only people I think deserving for the C's this year is Tatum and Brown. 

Jalen Johnson I have no clue why he isn't on this list. He should be.
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« Reply #785 on: January 02, 2025, 04:32:54 PM »

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Tatum third in ASG voting. 

Giannis having 300k more votes than Jokic is a mystery to me.

Interesting.  Yes, you would think that Jokic would be on every ballot.  Also interesting is that Poole and Herro have more votes than Derrick White.

Because they only play offense. The offense is way overvalued by the casual fan. Two way players are undervalued. Not one guard above D White plays good defense.

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« Reply #786 on: January 06, 2025, 06:10:31 PM »

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« Reply #787 on: January 06, 2025, 07:29:25 PM »

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It does make you wonder though, maybe the issue is also that these guys just haven't played together that much (our main Starting 5). Even last year I'm pretty sure they actually got a lot of games together while managing KP/Horford. It's just this year KP missed time at the beginning with the knee surgery, and even Jrue was given like a week off to recover.

Contrast that with a team like New York where I believe their Starting-5 has played a ton of games together and built chemistry especially with KAT and Bridges.
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« Reply #788 on: January 07, 2025, 03:46:53 AM »

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« Reply #789 on: January 07, 2025, 08:42:57 AM »

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It does make you wonder though, maybe the issue is also that these guys just haven't played together that much (our main Starting 5). Even last year I'm pretty sure they actually got a lot of games together while managing KP/Horford. It's just this year KP missed time at the beginning with the knee surgery, and even Jrue was given like a week off to recover.

Contrast that with a team like New York where I believe their Starting-5 has played a ton of games together and built chemistry especially with KAT and Bridges.

We are not the only team in this situation but our core starters have only been on the floor for 103 min in 7 games.  NYK for example has had their core unit for 610 min in 32 games.  CLE has not been all that much better than BOS, their top line up is 148 min in 17 games although it is not clear who exactly is their 5th starter (Okoro or Wade or Strus).

I don't see this as that much of a problem for this team.  I think the need for continuity is real, but this team had all last season together.  It should certainly help with consistency, I would think, but this team should be able to overcome this and be more consistent than they have been.
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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #790 on: January 07, 2025, 02:18:56 PM »

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It does make you wonder though, maybe the issue is also that these guys just haven't played together that much (our main Starting 5). Even last year I'm pretty sure they actually got a lot of games together while managing KP/Horford. It's just this year KP missed time at the beginning with the knee surgery, and even Jrue was given like a week off to recover.

Contrast that with a team like New York where I believe their Starting-5 has played a ton of games together and built chemistry especially with KAT and Bridges.

We are not the only team in this situation but our core starters have only been on the floor for 103 min in 7 games.  NYK for example has had their core unit for 610 min in 32 games.  CLE has not been all that much better than BOS, their top line up is 148 min in 17 games although it is not clear who exactly is their 5th starter (Okoro or Wade or Strus).

I don't see this as that much of a problem for this team.  I think the need for continuity is real, but this team had all last season together.  It should certainly help with consistency, I would think, but this team should be able to overcome this and be more consistent than they have been.

Yeah, but I think that?s a completely different situation when it?s your fifth starter who is a far jump away in value from your main core four. One of the reasons Cleveland has been so dominant is because their core four guys have been remarkably healthy, despite both of the guards tending to be injury-prone historically.

I think much of the same can be said about us last year, even despite KP?s injuries.
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« Reply #791 on: January 07, 2025, 02:52:17 PM »

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It does make you wonder though, maybe the issue is also that these guys just haven't played together that much (our main Starting 5). Even last year I'm pretty sure they actually got a lot of games together while managing KP/Horford. It's just this year KP missed time at the beginning with the knee surgery, and even Jrue was given like a week off to recover.

Contrast that with a team like New York where I believe their Starting-5 has played a ton of games together and built chemistry especially with KAT and Bridges.

We are not the only team in this situation but our core starters have only been on the floor for 103 min in 7 games.  NYK for example has had their core unit for 610 min in 32 games.  CLE has not been all that much better than BOS, their top line up is 148 min in 17 games although it is not clear who exactly is their 5th starter (Okoro or Wade or Strus).

I don't see this as that much of a problem for this team.  I think the need for continuity is real, but this team had all last season together.  It should certainly help with consistency, I would think, but this team should be able to overcome this and be more consistent than they have been.

Yeah, but I think that?s a completely different situation when it?s your fifth starter who is a far jump away in value from your main core four. One of the reasons Cleveland has been so dominant is because their core four guys have been remarkably healthy, despite both of the guards tending to be injury-prone historically.

I think much of the same can be said about us last year, even despite KP?s injuries.

I agree that Porzingis is a more impactful player than Wade or Okoro.  But when Porzingis is out, Horford can step in.  CLE has been healthy.  Mitchell, Garland, Mobley, and Allen have been on the court together for 421 minutes over 31 games.  Holiday, Brown, Tatum, and White have had 387 min over 21 games.  I don't disagree with the premise, core unit continuity is a real factor.  I just don't think it should be an excuse for the Celtics poor play.  It isn't why they shot 20% from 3 vs. OKC.  It isn't why the defense looks bad at times.

I agree completely that part of the reason that CLE has so many wins is this continuity/health they have had.  It is also because they are good and are playing like they have something to prove.  BOS has not consistently been playing like they have something to prove.  Health and lack of continuity has not helped but I don't see that as the underlying problem (to the extent that there is any problem).

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« Reply #792 on: January 07, 2025, 09:12:48 PM »

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« Reply #793 on: January 08, 2025, 07:58:37 PM »

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Next 5 for the C's are SAC, NOP, @TOR, ORL, ATL.

Very favorable stretch in an otherwise tough January. I can see 5-0.
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« Reply #794 on: January 08, 2025, 08:32:07 PM »

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Next 5 for the C's are SAC, NOP, @TOR, ORL, ATL.

Very favorable stretch in an otherwise tough January. I can see 5-0.

Revert back to lazy basketball since these don't look like the western conference foes they've faced. 2-3 with losses coming from Orlando, Atlanta, and Pelicans, yes, all at the nightmarish TD Garden


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