2024 NBA Season and Playoffs

[LilRip]

How is it blind homerism to point out that Milwaukee has issues? 

It’s the extreme inconsistency in your treatment of both teams that causes this reaction.

And don’t lie you wouldn’t give such a rosy assessment of the Celtics if they were 5 games behind Milwaukee with a bottom NBA defense and KP struggling by to fit in and on their 3rd coach in a year.

You already have an extreme negative view with them being the top team in the NBA

It’s the people completely counting out Milwaukee and acting like they can’t beat us in a series and that they’re done that are homers.
Milwaukee to their standard has had a really bad season and yet are still the 2 seed and if get going before and during the playoffs will be as legit a contender as anyone in the league.
As a fan I’m  tough on the Celtics as I’ve seen them have really good seasons for years now and collapse when it matters most.
Did you expect them to lose to the 8th seeded Heat last year who statistically was terrible across the board last regular season? Probably not, so why are we counting the bucks out?

I have not seen anyone "count the bucks out" in a series. You literally are the only one pushing this narrative.
We are discussing how the Bucks are playing in this moment and in this moment, they are not good.

But it does not change the fact you judge the Bucks and Celtics with different standards. Hard on the Celtics for everything little thing and you make excuses for the Bucks. You do carry the water for Milwaukee.

And it does not matter one bit if any fan counts any team out. Last time I checked we aren't playing the games.

the Bucks are not good?

If I was a Bucks fan, I’d be concerned. Among the 12 playoff-bound teams, only Indiana is a worse defensive team. Which isn’t surprising given that the Pacers play like defense isn’t a part of the game.

[scaryjerry]

How is it blind homerism to point out that Milwaukee has issues? 

It’s the extreme inconsistency in your treatment of both teams that causes this reaction.

And don’t lie you wouldn’t give such a rosy assessment of the Celtics if they were 5 games behind Milwaukee with a bottom NBA defense and KP struggling by to fit in and on their 3rd coach in a year.

You already have an extreme negative view with them being the top team in the NBA

It’s the people completely counting out Milwaukee and acting like they can’t beat us in a series and that they’re done that are homers.
Milwaukee to their standard has had a really bad season and yet are still the 2 seed and if get going before and during the playoffs will be as legit a contender as anyone in the league.
As a fan I’m  tough on the Celtics as I’ve seen them have really good seasons for years now and collapse when it matters most.
Did you expect them to lose to the 8th seeded Heat last year who statistically was terrible across the board last regular season? Probably not, so why are we counting the bucks out?

I have not seen anyone "count the bucks out" in a series. You literally are the only one pushing this narrative.
We are discussing how the Bucks are playing in this moment and in this moment, they are not good.

But it does not change the fact you judge the Bucks and Celtics with different standards. Hard on the Celtics for everything little thing and you make excuses for the Bucks. You do carry the water for Milwaukee.

And it does not matter one bit if any fan counts any team out. Last time I checked we aren't playing the games.

Im tougher on the team I root for who have consistently shrunk in the last 3 postseasons in the biggest moments then I am on a team I don’t care about and who’s core has already proven they can win a title?
Shocker.

[Atzar]

If I was a Bucks fan, I’d be concerned. Among the 12 playoff-bound teams, only Indiana is a worse defensive team. Which isn’t surprising given that the Pacers play like defense isn’t a part of the game.

I got a kick out of the time I saw Haliburton get into position to receive the inbounds pass before the opposing offense shot the ball.  No exaggeration.  The shot had not gone up yet.  Hali had already conceded the basket and was getting in position to run the break off the make.

[LilRip]

How is it blind homerism to point out that Milwaukee has issues? 

It’s the extreme inconsistency in your treatment of both teams that causes this reaction.

And don’t lie you wouldn’t give such a rosy assessment of the Celtics if they were 5 games behind Milwaukee with a bottom NBA defense and KP struggling by to fit in and on their 3rd coach in a year.

You already have an extreme negative view with them being the top team in the NBA

It’s the people completely counting out Milwaukee and acting like they can’t beat us in a series and that they’re done that are homers.
Milwaukee to their standard has had a really bad season and yet are still the 2 seed and if get going before and during the playoffs will be as legit a contender as anyone in the league.
As a fan I’m  tough on the Celtics as I’ve seen them have really good seasons for years now and collapse when it matters most.
Did you expect them to lose to the 8th seeded Heat last year who statistically was terrible across the board last regular season? Probably not, so why are we counting the bucks out?

I have not seen anyone "count the bucks out" in a series. You literally are the only one pushing this narrative.
We are discussing how the Bucks are playing in this moment and in this moment, they are not good.

But it does not change the fact you judge the Bucks and Celtics with different standards. Hard on the Celtics for everything little thing and you make excuses for the Bucks. You do carry the water for Milwaukee.

And it does not matter one bit if any fan counts any team out. Last time I checked we aren't playing the games.

Im tougher on the team I root for who have consistently shrunk in the last 3 postseasons in the biggest moments then I am on a team I don’t care about and who’s core has already proven they can win a title?
Shocker.

That’s not entirely accurate. That core had Jrue and pre-injury Middleton. Those 2 aren’t on the team anymore

[cman88]

How is it blind homerism to point out that Milwaukee has issues? 

It’s the extreme inconsistency in your treatment of both teams that causes this reaction.

And don’t lie you wouldn’t give such a rosy assessment of the Celtics if they were 5 games behind Milwaukee with a bottom NBA defense and KP struggling by to fit in and on their 3rd coach in a year.

You already have an extreme negative view with them being the top team in the NBA

It’s the people completely counting out Milwaukee and acting like they can’t beat us in a series and that they’re done that are homers.
Milwaukee to their standard has had a really bad season and yet are still the 2 seed and if get going before and during the playoffs will be as legit a contender as anyone in the league.
As a fan I’m  tough on the Celtics as I’ve seen them have really good seasons for years now and collapse when it matters most.
Did you expect them to lose to the 8th seeded Heat last year who statistically was terrible across the board last regular season? Probably not, so why are we counting the bucks out?

I have not seen anyone "count the bucks out" in a series. You literally are the only one pushing this narrative.
We are discussing how the Bucks are playing in this moment and in this moment, they are not good.

But it does not change the fact you judge the Bucks and Celtics with different standards. Hard on the Celtics for everything little thing and you make excuses for the Bucks. You do carry the water for Milwaukee.

And it does not matter one bit if any fan counts any team out. Last time I checked we aren't playing the games.

the Bucks are not good?

It depends on how you define "in the moment" and "good".

They're winning 66% of their games, so obviously they're a decent team on the season as a whole.  3rd rated offense is great, 19th rated defense is bad.  2-4 in their last 6 suggests that the Bucks aren't a good team in the immediate present, but their track record suggests that even the "great offense, below average defense" model allows them to win about 2/3 of their games.

if Cleveland wins tonight they are tied with Milwaukee for the #2 seed. With games coming up against the Suns and Timberwolves it's quite possible that Milwaukee are sitting at the #4 or #5 seed by the end of the week depending on how things shake out.

considering they are 2-4 in their last 6, their defense is still a sieve and most of their wins came against weak competition with the schedule now getting stronger I don't think its some crazy statement to say the Bucks might be in a bit of trouble here.

not sure why saying it is so triggering to many fans on this board to mention Milwaukee's issues. No one is saying they are a horrible team. but they are trending on the wrong direction.

[cman88]

How is it blind homerism to point out that Milwaukee has issues? 

It’s the extreme inconsistency in your treatment of both teams that causes this reaction.

And don’t lie you wouldn’t give such a rosy assessment of the Celtics if they were 5 games behind Milwaukee with a bottom NBA defense and KP struggling by to fit in and on their 3rd coach in a year.

You already have an extreme negative view with them being the top team in the NBA

It’s the people completely counting out Milwaukee and acting like they can’t beat us in a series and that they’re done that are homers.
Milwaukee to their standard has had a really bad season and yet are still the 2 seed and if get going before and during the playoffs will be as legit a contender as anyone in the league.
As a fan I’m  tough on the Celtics as I’ve seen them have really good seasons for years now and collapse when it matters most.
Did you expect them to lose to the 8th seeded Heat last year who statistically was terrible across the board last regular season? Probably not, so why are we counting the bucks out?

I have not seen anyone "count the bucks out" in a series. You literally are the only one pushing this narrative.
We are discussing how the Bucks are playing in this moment and in this moment, they are not good.

But it does not change the fact you judge the Bucks and Celtics with different standards. Hard on the Celtics for everything little thing and you make excuses for the Bucks. You do carry the water for Milwaukee.

And it does not matter one bit if any fan counts any team out. Last time I checked we aren't playing the games.

Im tougher on the team I root for who have consistently shrunk in the last 3 postseasons in the biggest moments then I am on a team I don’t care about and who’s core has already proven they can win a title?
Shocker.

That’s not entirely accurate. That core had Jrue and pre-injury Middleton. Those 2 aren’t on the team anymore

The funny thing is, we talk about narratives like in the “do Celtics have what it takes to win” thread. But Milwaukee is the perfect example.

Other than that one post-season they have been sent home early every year. Yet no one is allowed to question it because they won one.

[celticinorlando]

No idea why the Bucks would do this.

NBACentral
@TheDunkCentral
The Dallas Mavericks and Milwaukee Bucks have discussed a Grant Williams-Bobby Portis swap, per
@TheSteinLine
 

“The Bucks and Mavericks, league sources say, have held exploratory discussions on a trade that would swap Milwaukee's Bobby Portis Jr. and Dallas newcomer Grant Williams.”

[Ed Monix]

The Dallas Mavericks and Milwaukee Bucks have discussed a Grant Williams-Bobby Portis swap.

“The Bucks and Mavericks, league sources say, have held exploratory discussions on a trade that would swap Milwaukee's Bobby Portis Jr. and Dallas newcomer Grant Williams.”

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Source: Marc Stein

[ozgod]

No idea why the Bucks would do this.

NBACentral
@TheDunkCentral
The Dallas Mavericks and Milwaukee Bucks have discussed a Grant Williams-Bobby Portis swap, per
@TheSteinLine
 

“The Bucks and Mavericks, league sources say, have held exploratory discussions on a trade that would swap Milwaukee's Bobby Portis Jr. and Dallas newcomer Grant Williams.”

Maybe they want someone better at defending the perimeter than Portis is? Given they're getting absolutely drilled from there?

[blink]

No idea why the Bucks would do this.

NBACentral
@TheDunkCentral
The Dallas Mavericks and Milwaukee Bucks have discussed a Grant Williams-Bobby Portis swap, per
@TheSteinLine
 

“The Bucks and Mavericks, league sources say, have held exploratory discussions on a trade that would swap Milwaukee's Bobby Portis Jr. and Dallas newcomer Grant Williams.”

Maybe they want someone better at defending the perimeter than Portis is? Given they're getting absolutely drilled from there?

But hasn't Portis been a better player overall right now?   he seems to have really fit in there with the culture as well, but maybe that was before they traded for lillard?  I don't really get this trade.  Grant isn't going to save their perimeter def by himself.

[Goldstar88]

No idea why the Bucks would do this.

NBACentral
@TheDunkCentral
The Dallas Mavericks and Milwaukee Bucks have discussed a Grant Williams-Bobby Portis swap, per
@TheSteinLine
 

“The Bucks and Mavericks, league sources say, have held exploratory discussions on a trade that would swap Milwaukee's Bobby Portis Jr. and Dallas newcomer Grant Williams.”

Maybe they want someone better at defending the perimeter than Portis is? Given they're getting absolutely drilled from there?

But hasn't Portis been a better player overall right now?   he seems to have really fit in there with the culture as well, but maybe that was before they traded for lillard?  I don't really get this trade.  Grant isn't going to save their perimeter def by himself.

Yeah, Grant can guard 1-5. 

[Celtics2021]

No idea why the Bucks would do this.

NBACentral
@TheDunkCentral
The Dallas Mavericks and Milwaukee Bucks have discussed a Grant Williams-Bobby Portis swap, per
@TheSteinLine
 

“The Bucks and Mavericks, league sources say, have held exploratory discussions on a trade that would swap Milwaukee's Bobby Portis Jr. and Dallas newcomer Grant Williams.”

Maybe they want someone better at defending the perimeter than Portis is? Given they're getting absolutely drilled from there?

But hasn't Portis been a better player overall right now?   he seems to have really fit in there with the culture as well, but maybe that was before they traded for lillard?  I don't really get this trade.  Grant isn't going to save their perimeter def by himself.

A couple years ago, maybe, but the Bucks have been much better with him off the floor than on the last couple of seasons.

I wouldn’t actually expect this particular deal to get made, but the Bucks are pretty desperate right now.  They went 8-8 in January and were outscored on the month, and there are few players they can reasonably trade.  It’s really just Portis and Connaughton, so that’s who you’ll hear rumors about. 

[SparzWizard]

Gives the Bucks a pesky type of guy on their team.

Now I can bash and root against Grant as much as I can without holding back. His days as a Celtics are long gone.

[Birdman]

The Dallas Mavericks and Milwaukee Bucks have discussed a Grant Williams-Bobby Portis swap.

“The Bucks and Mavericks, league sources say, have held exploratory discussions on a trade that would swap Milwaukee's Bobby Portis Jr. and Dallas newcomer Grant Williams.”

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Source: Marc Stein

Be a great trade for Dallas, bad for Milwaukee

[cman88]

Portis has been much better than grant this year no? Has better stats across the board. Pts, fg% 3pt %

Hasn’t grant basically been a bust in Dallas? (Maybe not bust but he hasn’t lived up to the hype)

Unless they just throwing anything against the wall thinking maybe grant can improve their perimeter defense and they can afford taking a hit offensively.

But I think we know as Celtics fans he’s kind of overrated as a defender.