Are we in the Jrue Holiday market?

[Roy H.]

PHI future 1sts available: 2024 (swap), 2029 (swap), 2030. Seconds in ‘24, ‘27, ‘28, ‘29 x2, ‘30.

LAC future 1sts: ‘27 (swap), ‘28, ‘29, ‘30. Seconds in ‘26, ‘29, ‘30.

#Celtics future 1sts: ‘24, ‘24 (GSW), ‘25, ‘26, ‘27, ‘29, ‘30. Seconds in ‘24 x2, ‘26 x2, ‘27, ‘30 x2.

I can't completely vouch for the accuracy of this, as it leaves out Boston's 2028 (which we own, with a potential swap to SAS).  But, it does show that we have a decided advantage against some of our potential competition when it comes to draft picks.

[Phantom255x]

https://twitter.com/BOSSportsGordo/status/1707809046709830074?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Celtics receive:
- Jrue Holiday

Clippers receive:
- Malcolm Brogdon

Blazers receive:
- Payton Pritchard
- Marcus Morris
- Nic Batum
- Sam Hauser
- Luke Kornet
- Blake Griffin (via S&T)
- 1st RP via BOS
- 1st RP via LAC
- 1st round swap via BOS

Some accounts are saying this is possible, maybe with more picks involved? If so, I'd legitimately consider it. Idk if POR does or if this is actually even feasible.

[Donoghus]

I'm fine just rolling it out there with Derrick as the starter.

[Roy H.]

https://twitter.com/BOSSportsGordo/status/1707809046709830074?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Celtics receive:
- Jrue Holiday

Clippers receive:
- Malcolm Brogdon

Blazers receive:
- Payton Pritchard
- Marcus Morris
- Nic Batum
- Sam Hauser
- Luke Kornet
- Blake Griffin (via S&T)
- 1st RP via BOS
- 1st RP via LAC
- 1st round swap via BOS

Some accounts are saying this is possible, maybe with more picks involved? If so, I'd legitimately consider it. Idk if POR does or if this is actually even feasible.

I'd put Walsh in there over Hauser.  The draft pick compensation may be a little light.

[droopdog7]

https://twitter.com/BOSSportsGordo/status/1707809046709830074?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Celtics receive:
- Jrue Holiday

Clippers receive:
- Malcolm Brogdon

Blazers receive:
- Payton Pritchard
- Marcus Morris
- Nic Batum
- Sam Hauser
- Luke Kornet
- Blake Griffin (via S&T)
- 1st RP via BOS
- 1st RP via LAC
- 1st round swap via BOS

Some accounts are saying this is possible, maybe with more picks involved? If so, I'd legitimately consider it. Idk if POR does or if this is actually even feasible.

Too bad you can't run it through the trade machine because of Blake but has more than enough already going to Portland (37.2 mil).  Not enough going out from the celtics.  So think blake would need to go to the clippers? 

I'm confused.

[86MaxwellSmart]

https://twitter.com/BOSSportsGordo/status/1707809046709830074?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Celtics receive:
- Jrue Holiday

Clippers receive:
- Malcolm Brogdon

Blazers receive:
- Payton Pritchard
- Marcus Morris
- Nic Batum
- Sam Hauser
- Luke Kornet
- Blake Griffin (via S&T)
- 1st RP via BOS
- 1st RP via LAC
- 1st round swap via BOS

Some accounts are saying this is possible, maybe with more picks involved? If so, I'd legitimately consider it. Idk if POR does or if this is actually even feasible.

I'd put Walsh in there over Hauser.  The draft pick compensation may be a little light.

This is why we got so many 2nd rounders.

[Who]

If Jrue were to come here, he'd be the 4th option behind Tatum, Jaylen and Porzingis.

As the 4th option, does Jrue really provide much more than Marcus Smart did for the team last season?

To add to this, jrue is definitely better than brogdon, but is jrue minus brogdon minus rob/al minus whatever else still better for this team?

Does not compute for me.

Why would we have to trade Al or Timelord?

If Jrue were to come here, he'd be the 4th option behind Tatum, Jaylen and Porzingis.

As the 4th option, does Jrue really provide much more than Marcus Smart did for the team last season?

He would provide better scoring, defense, passing and shooting, yes.

Last year (scroll down):  https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=forall&year_min=2023&year_max=2023&player_id1=holidjr01&player_id2=smartma01

Last three years (scroll down):  https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=forall&year_min=2021&year_max=2023&player_id1=holidjr01&player_id2=smartma01

But, the bigger thing:  our team last year + Porzingis (but minus Brogdon) would have been pretty stacked.

Jrue is not going to score as much as a 4th option as he did in Milwaukee. There are not as many shot attempts. There are not as many opportunities to create off the dribble. His production will decrease.

If his production does not decrease, it will be coming at the cost of Tatum's production, Jaylen's production, Porzingis' production.

In a reduced role as a 4th option, what production can you realistically expect of Jrue Holiday? 15ppg 6apg? About what Smart did in the post-season.

Why use Marcus's post season stats, which increased due to injuries and increased playing time?  That seems like fuzzy math.

15.0 ppg in the regular season would be a 30% scoring increase over Marcus, and Jrue played much, much better defense last year, as well.  Add in that teams would have to cover Jrue rather than sagging off Marcus, and it's a pretty big increase in productivity.

Because both Smart & Jrue have seen large differences in regular season and post-season performances over the last 3 years with Smart out-performing his regular season numbers by a large margin and Jrue under-performing his regular season numbers by a large margin.

This is not a small sample size.

And it is an ongoing worry for how much we can depend on Jrue Holiday when the games matter most. Which should factor heavily into any analysis of what Jrue will bring to the table for us.

[Who]

I still don't understand why Portland is interested in that deal unless we just throw our whole library of available picks at them (and to be fair, that's basically how Milwaukee got Jrue in the first place).

I see some people making fun of New Orleans after this Lillard trade. That they are going to end up with little to nothing from all those picks they got on that Jrue Holiday trade.

How these trade packages for future draft picks can backfire.

[SparzWizard]

If we're in win-now mode, why we still hoarding onto all these picks.

Time to ship em out for Jrue to improve the team.

[Neurotic Guy]

I'm fine just rolling it out there with Derrick as the starter.

I’m with you - not by much I guess - but unless it’s basically Brogdon for Holiday and not much more (end of bench; picks), I think Cs are better off standing pat.  The caveat for me would be how much the offering of Brogdon AGAIN impacts Brogdon’s state of mind. I think he’s a pro and will be fine but maybe Brad knows he’s got to go. Which leads to if the Holiday talks turn to nothing, then where else would Brad look to get decent return on MB?

[Who]

Smart last 4 seasons as a starter in the playoffs = 63 games 36mpg 15.2ppg 5.3apg 4.5rpg 42% FG% 35% 3PT%. A TS% of 53.3%.

Jrue Holiday last 3 years (Bucks years) in playoffs = 40 games 39.2mpg 17.9ppg 7.9apg 5.8rpg 39.6% FG% 30.4% 3PT%. A TS% of 47.6%.



It is amazing how much Jrue's bad performances in the playoffs get overlooked. That is an absolutely horrific TS%. Smart is far out-performing him in terms of efficiency. SMART!! Not exactly Mr. Efficiency.

Jrue was taking 17.7 FGAs per game. That is a huge negative on his team's performance for a player to be that inefficient while taking such a large amount of shot attempts.


Jrue did not have a great playoff record before Milwaukee either. He had one great run in New Orleans (59% TS% 9 games). The others were a 55% first round series as a rookie (hot 3pt shooting propped up his numbers, only 41.4% FG%, 5 games), 52% in two round playoff run the year after (13 games) and a bad 47% first round series loss in NO (3 games). So bad shooting performances are normal for Jrue in the postseason.

And as he has been getting older, he has been getting worse. Not a great sign for how much we can depend on him performance wise in the postseason.

[Moranis]

3 team trade

Boston - Holiday, Powell
Dallas - Brogdon
Portland - Hardaway, Rob, Pritchard, 24 GS , 24 Bos, 26 Bos

[CelticSooner]

Smart last 4 seasons as a starter in the playoffs = 63 games 36mpg 15.2ppg 5.3apg 4.5rpg 42% FG% 35% 3PT%. A TS% of 53.3%.

Jrue Holiday last 3 years (Bucks years) in playoffs = 40 games 39.2mpg 17.9ppg 7.9apg 5.8rpg 39.6% FG% 30.4% 3PT%. A TS% of 47.6%.



It is amazing how much Jrue's bad performances in the playoffs get overlooked. That is an absolutely horrific TS%. Smart is far out-performing him in terms of efficiency. SMART!! Not exactly Mr. Efficiency.

Jrue was taking 17.7 FGAs per game. That is a huge negative on his team's performance for a player to be that inefficient while taking such a large amount of shot attempts.


Jrue did not have a great playoff record before Milwaukee either. He had one great run in New Orleans (59% TS% 9 games). The others were a 55% first round series as a rookie (hot 3pt shooting propped up his numbers, only 41.4% FG%, 5 games), 52% in two round playoff run the year after (13 games) and a bad 47% first round series loss in NO (3 games). So bad shooting performances are normal for Jrue in the postseason.

And as he has been getting older, he has been getting worse. Not a great sign for how much we can depend on him performance wise in the postseason.

The difference is he’d be like the 4th option on the C’s. A lot of the time he was the 1st or 2nd option on the Bucks late in games. He’s not good enough to be that guy. Felt like most shots he hit late were luck.

[GreenEnvy]

Smart last 4 seasons as a starter in the playoffs = 63 games 36mpg 15.2ppg 5.3apg 4.5rpg 42% FG% 35% 3PT%. A TS% of 53.3%.

Jrue Holiday last 3 years (Bucks years) in playoffs = 40 games 39.2mpg 17.9ppg 7.9apg 5.8rpg 39.6% FG% 30.4% 3PT%. A TS% of 47.6%.



It is amazing how much Jrue's bad performances in the playoffs get overlooked. That is an absolutely horrific TS%. Smart is far out-performing him in terms of efficiency. SMART!! Not exactly Mr. Efficiency.

Jrue was taking 17.7 FGAs per game. That is a huge negative on his team's performance for a player to be that inefficient while taking such a large amount of shot attempts.


Jrue did not have a great playoff record before Milwaukee either. He had one great run in New Orleans (59% TS% 9 games). The others were a 55% first round series as a rookie (hot 3pt shooting propped up his numbers, only 41.4% FG%, 5 games), 52% in two round playoff run the year after (13 games) and a bad 47% first round series loss in NO (3 games). So bad shooting performances are normal for Jrue in the postseason.

And as he has been getting older, he has been getting worse. Not a great sign for how much we can depend on him performance wise in the postseason.

I’ll take his inefficiency for his elite defense and underrated playmaking ability. We really wouldn’t need him to take many shots. He should excel in the same role we had Smart take on.

He may not be that clutch statistically but I recall him coming up with some big shots, usually ones he created. Likewise some great defensive plays.

[Who]

-while unlikely, if he plays a half-season there is a (small) chance his play could decline due to age. He's 33 so there's not any hidden upside left, the only way to go is down (only 2 guards 6'4 and under have ever made nba all-defense at age 33: Gary Payton and Tony Allen)

Interesting tidbit / trivia for Jrue as he begins year 33.